My point is there is no rational reason to believe any of the fantastic claims of the bible.
I don’t think the other commenter ever claimed that or even thinks that. I think most religious people know perfectly well that religion is not a rational thing, but rationality is not the purpose of religion.
I agree with you that organized religion can be very harmful and we should work for a secular society, but dismissing religion because of facts and logic is like disproving mathematics via the word of God - its simply entirely different domains and perspectives.
dismissing religion because of facts and logic is like disproving mathematics via the word of God
Wow really? Superstition is equal to facts and reason based on evidence now?
Goddam and it’s the 21st century!
That’s exactly the mindset that makes religion harmful.
I never claimed people can’t have faith, what I claim is the illegal practices should not be legal, and it shouldn’t have special privileges.
Superstition is equal to facts and reason based on evidence now?
I never said such a thing and I don’t think you understood what I wrote. Try reading it again, and I’ll rephrase:
Dismissing religion from an atheistic point of view based on facts and logic doesn’t make sense, because religion is not about facts and logic.
Disproving mathematics from a religious point of view via the word of God is equally absurd, because mathematics does not deal with faith.
You’re trying to apply facts and logic to religion which is obviously a perspective that will not work (not saying you have to try to make it work or that religion makes sense, but just that criticising the Bible from this perspective doesn’t make sense).
Dismissing religion from an atheistic point of view based on facts and logic doesn’t make sense, because religion is not about facts and logic.
Again they can believe what they want, but where religion and “secular world” intersect, we cannot bend to religion when it’s contrary to more modern standards that are based on way better knowledge than primitive iron age standards.
You’re trying to apply facts and logic to religion which is obviously a perspective that will not work
Only to show where it does harm to others isn’t validated.
Any religious person that removes such practices can have my blessing.
But for instance the belief in a life after death, which there is absolutely no reason to believe is true, can be very harmful for the individual believers themselves.
I don’t think the other commenter ever claimed that or even thinks that. I think most religious people know perfectly well that religion is not a rational thing, but rationality is not the purpose of religion.
I agree with you that organized religion can be very harmful and we should work for a secular society, but dismissing religion because of facts and logic is like disproving mathematics via the word of God - its simply entirely different domains and perspectives.
Wow really? Superstition is equal to facts and reason based on evidence now?
Goddam and it’s the 21st century!
That’s exactly the mindset that makes religion harmful.
I never claimed people can’t have faith, what I claim is the illegal practices should not be legal, and it shouldn’t have special privileges.
I never said such a thing and I don’t think you understood what I wrote. Try reading it again, and I’ll rephrase:
Dismissing religion from an atheistic point of view based on facts and logic doesn’t make sense, because religion is not about facts and logic.
Disproving mathematics from a religious point of view via the word of God is equally absurd, because mathematics does not deal with faith.
You’re trying to apply facts and logic to religion which is obviously a perspective that will not work (not saying you have to try to make it work or that religion makes sense, but just that criticising the Bible from this perspective doesn’t make sense).
Again they can believe what they want, but where religion and “secular world” intersect, we cannot bend to religion when it’s contrary to more modern standards that are based on way better knowledge than primitive iron age standards.
Only to show where it does harm to others isn’t validated.
Any religious person that removes such practices can have my blessing.
But for instance the belief in a life after death, which there is absolutely no reason to believe is true, can be very harmful for the individual believers themselves.