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      Pre pandemic i know one real life antivaxxer. Vut even then, kinda not really, he did vaccinate his kids, but he didn’t like that he was forced too for school. Some real “don’t tell me what to do, because i was gonna do it anyway” energy. To me antivaxxers were just the butt of online jokes.

      Post pandemic, i could name so many antivaxxers, it’s insane. And they all have the dumbest takes imaginable. And they always try to convince you, but i never thought for a second that this person might be onto something. The last guy who talked to me about it was a friend of my dad. I know him for a ling time, but not well at all. He said that the pandemic was all planned, but not enough people died, so they have another one coming, and that’s why he’s not getting vaccinated. Wait, the government tries to kill people, it didn’t work as well as they thought, but they also try to vaccinate people so they don’t die? Why do they try to kill people? And his aswer was basically: “many people believe that.” Motherfucker, i know you, you hang out with 5 people who are 60 to 70 years old and they are all reclusive alcoholics. It doesn’t really matter what they believe.

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        Most of the people I know who went antivax during covid are very specifically antivax about the covid vax only. They are afraid of the mRNA tech, they think it’s going to modify their genes or some BS. It really is political BS though. During the pandemic, the right wing decided to make this an issue, and they stick with it.

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      and then started following RFK JR, J ROGAN, J PETERSON and lastly trump. i knew a family member that sort of did this. he was literally scoffing at the vaccine a few months ago.

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    Antivax but do random shrooms/lsd/blow from strangers and buy their weed illegally

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    My favorite hypocrite is Jenny McCarthy who obviously has never met a cosmetic injectable she doesn’t like but was one of the foremost anti-vax idiots out there.

    Botulism toxin injected directly into my face - 🌞🎶😁👄👅

    A vaccine preventing measles mumps and rubella - 😵‍💫☠️💀❤️‍🩹👎

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    Yeah, the only two antivaxxers I know (more did know) have fried their brains to mush with drugs so them believing that shit isn’t surprising. I did lots of drugs in my 20s and knew a lot of people who did even more than me, and the two people who were always the “worst” with their use are the only ones I am aware of who are antivaxxers (In Sweden, it’s not common here at all). They’d lick a literally turd if they saw someone sprinkle some unknown powder on it just for the chance of it making them high in any way, but they would fight to their death if anyone tried to vaccinate them specifically only with a covid vaccine.

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      brain damage from drugs, strokes and other injuries or disease is known to turn people into a looney right winger or a conspiracy nut. fetterman, sorbo, jim cavaziel is a good example of stroke to alt-right, they were shitty people before, but stroke just disinhibit thier “closetness”

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      I know a guy who did, still does and deals with every drug imaginable. Really nice guy, honestly. But he refused to get vaccinated, he bought a fake covid certificate or some shit for like 1000 bucks or whatever, because he didn’t want that unknown substance in his body

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    That’s my granddaughter.

    Fully vaxxed EXCEPT for covid. Calls the first (of many) times she caught as ‘when I almost died’. She’s currently injecting one of the fun crop of weight loss drugs without a second thought because there aren’t any TikTok influencers who are telling her it’s dangerous.

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      Ozempic hospitalized my ex for 12 days and he’s now in a class action lawsuit against the makers because it’s a known side effect that wasn’t warned against. It’s not something to play with at all.

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          Not at all. He’s diabetic; Ozempic basically caused his gastric muscles to stop working, which is called gastroparesis. He began vomiting and having diarrhea over a period of days, and became unable to take his diabetic meds because he couldn’t keep anything down. I came home and found him basically comatose, and he was in a state called euglycemic diabetic ketoacidosis, which is a new thing with all the Ozempic type drugs, where your sugars aren’t all that high but the severity of your condition is masked by the Ozempic, and you end up overproducing ketones in your blood because your sugar is out of control. The ketosis part reversed quickly with IV insulin, but the gastroparesis and associated esophagitis from all the vomiting meant he had to stay in hospital for quite some time. He has permanent damage to his gastric system. The makers of the drug didn’t disclose this and it’s turned up in several others; my GP friend had two patients with the same situation. So they’re all in a lawsuit, and I’m super leery of these drugs.

          https://www.med.ubc.ca/news/weight-loss-drugs-linked-to-stomach-paralysis-other-serious-gastrointestinal-conditions/

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            Fat phobia has killed so many and messed up so much research imo. We need fats and fat soluble vitamins, but in the right proportions to each other. I understand Ozempic is ostensibly for diabetes (and obv idk anything about your husband or his weight or why he took it, not assuming he has fat phobia himself), but rapid weight loss like that means people are likely going without adequate vitamins for quite some time, causing the body to eat its own tissues like bones, bone marrow, muscle, liver, and so on, to carry on the most important tasks for life.

            Gastroparesis is often associated with vitamin d, b12, iron, and magnesium deficiencies. Fat soluble vitamins have a ton of downstream effects on other vitamins and each other, and many actually help with diabetes.

            https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7469006/

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34440929/

            https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-023-00840-1

            https://diabetes.org/food-nutrition/diabetes-vitamins-supplements/low-vitamin-d-insulin-resistance

            They are not putting the Ozempic patients on vitamin therapy or even monitoring fat soluble vitamins afaik. BTW, the pancreas helps with processing fat soluble vitamins by making lipase, not just glucose/insulin. So anything that affects the pancreas, which Ozempic does, has the potential to affect fat soluble vitamins as well which have a LOT of downstream effects that have been catalogued for decades but doctors just kinda ignore??? Due to fat phobia.

            I don’t blame you for suing, they are selling you malnutrition in a pill because they hate fat cells

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              His GP was honestly just trying to get his diabetes under control, and had no reason to think this would happen. He’s not obese in the slightest and has never been more than 5 pounds overweight, he just has bad genetics for it. I just think that it’s been marketed so heavily it seems to be a go to and we’re just starting to really see what it does.

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                Right, again, I’m not saying HE is fat phobic or even fat - but that the makers of the drugs and the prescribers ARE, and they are not choosing to monitor fat soluble vitamin status as standard for the treatment, which imo is extremely warranted. Also missed the detail that he was your EX, sorry, I thought he was your current partner

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    I ask antivaxers I know if they ever turned down a medicine prescribed by their doctor other than the one the media told them to fear?

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    Few people are consistent in their worldview and actions.

    Had a crunchy hippie lecture me about the danger of the covid vaccine, because you don’t know what’s in it. This was at a house party during covid, where she smoked cigarettes, snorted ketamine, MDMA, and mephedrone.

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      When scientists warned that milk could be contaminated with bird flu and pasteurized milk was safe, they started drinking raw milk en masse. There is no logic for them.

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        And then, a few of the less dense ones realized that raw milk was dangerous and they could reduce the risk by… boiling it.

        But they won’t drink pastuerized milk.

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          Can it be induced by media consumption and cult behavior?

          Or are they all kids that had it beaten out of them, but never properly treated, and now we all have to deal with the aftermath.

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            The defiance thing itself is induced by being a half-sentient talking ape that doesnt like being told things like “No!” “Thats bad, dont do that!” In terms of their actions. The antivaxers also like to layer in government mistrust and religious faith levels of i-must-be-right but the core of defiance is just that people dont like feeling shitty and have poor instinctual coping methods for it.

            Its a fairly universal copout for humans to avoid feelings of shame and embarrassment or punishment. Nobody on the planet likes feeling stupid or in the wrong. So when confronted with these feelings some common stategies are out right lying to others or ourselves, or constructing a delusional warped narrative subjective reality in which they’re actually somehow in the right through mental gymnastics, or by rejecting the claim of wrongness through formal argument, or using social dominance plays to forcefully dismiss claims of wrongdoing.

            Usually people find a strange mixture of multiple of these strategies in emotional combative arguments and coping with their aftermath.

            In an ideal world people would be able to instantly accept blame and fault for wrongdoing, eat he feelings of shame and self improve without trying to weasle their way out of punishment if they think they can get away with it. A properly adjusted adult who has eaten their fair share of humble pie over heir life encroaches on that kind of humility and willingness to update their assumptions given evidence, is able to say “oh shit I was wrong about that, huh? My bad.” Or “the science nerds who study these things probably have more authority on the matter than I do, I’ll default to their ideas.” This however, is not an ideal world.

            Children have zero impulse control and are barely sentient enough to construct coherent sentences or internal monologues. Their tiny brains are still developing and so they get a free pass more or less when it comes to being defiant little shits defaulting to instinctual ape copout strategies. all kids have their bad moments and are still learning. The problem is when they never stop defaulting to these things in adulthood.

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              It’s been one of the most interesting and hardest part of raising our child, he’s been super defiant at home, or with people he’s comfortable with, but very obedient with teachers or people he deems authorities.

              He’s actually gotten fairly self aware of it, but he’s only 7 so we’re gonna keep working on it and help him figure out some coping strategies.

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        “Don’t tell me what to do!” I’d bet reverse psychology would be pretty effective on these asshats.

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      mRNA vaccines carry a code for your cells to produce the viral protein shells, so not only is not a living virus, it’s never been the virus and could not be more harmless.

      It’s also impossible for it to alter your DNA.

      What it could do is be weaponized to produce prions or whatever but the dummies never cry about that (because you can disprove it easily)

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    ¿Por qué no los dos?

    I’ll take every vaccine I can get. Hell, I would sign up for the smallpox vaccine if I could get it, even though that disease hasn’t existed in the wild in decades. I want every covid booster. I want it all! Jab me up, give me that sweet MRNA!

    And I’ll take the other stuff too. I love me a good edible. I’m on tirzepatide myself, even though insurance doesn’t cover it. How do I afford it? Simple! I pirate the hell out of it!

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      I just got prescriptions from my GP for the pneumococcal and RSV vaccines because it turns out that I qualify. Anything I can get vaccinated for I do, because fuck antivaxxers.

      I know someone who is a 60 year old smoker who went and lied to public health that she was a sex worker to get the MPOX vaccine, which makes me laugh, but i wouldn’t mind it myself because you can get it touching surfaces.

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        Honestly, I’ve been pawing through the list of medical conditions that let you still be eligible for the new covid booster. I have something that I think will qualify. But my funnier goto is that depression is one of the eligible conditions. And nothing makes me more depressed than an anti-science quack running our vaccine system!

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          Oh wow, I can just go get one. Ha. I plan on it next weekend in fact. Gosh the US is just a zippy little death march these days.

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        My grandfather only lived to be a father because of the polio vaccine. Even my stepmother had polio in the fucking womb… it ate her kneecaps… she became a dancer to build leg muscle strength. My family has a valid, empirical respect for vaccines. I am a nurse and when I was young, I passed on the flu shots… until I got the flu… and found out what that hell was, I wasn’t sure if I would survive it. After that, I will get every flu shot offered, I take every Covid Booster, I go the shingles vax and next year, I will be eligible for the RSV shot. I am getting them all, like Pokeman.

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          Nurses not getting vaccinated is an unreal phenomenon, isn’t it? I work in a hospital, and some nurses who worked with COVID ECMO patients refused the COVID vaccine and got let go. How could you look at these people withering away and not want to be protected?

          The flu shot is super important. I read about a preteen boy in Ohio whose parents didn’t get him vaccinated, and he got influenza, and immediately got bacterial pneumonia and died, and his mother is wailing about how fast it all happened. Um, it didn’t need to happen at all, they don’t give them out for fun! I’ve thankfully never had it myself.

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            As someone working in a hospital, how are you not on every vaccine, especially those for world travelers? If someone picks up something unusual from a different part of the world, they will be going to the hospital, they will be exposing you to it

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            Not just not getting vaccinated but actively promoting ng against it. They should be fired immediately. All the other so called medical professionals who take that track as well.

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    Just goes to show you how it’s not a rational decision driven by evidence and consideration like they reflexively say, it’s just reactionary nonsense spread by traitors. I will never forgive traitors for what they have done to dismantle society in the modern age.

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    Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine

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      It’s more along the lines of: Could you benefit from it because of some legit medical issues. Then go ahead.

      Do you want to take it recreationally to fit in your new dress for the wedding 3 weeks from now without any lifestyle changes? Don’t take it.

      Ozempic is not some fun new “weight loss shot”, it’s a fucking necessity for people with diabetes. That includes Type I diabetes, which is due to genetics and not lifestyle choices.

      Recreational users have made ozempic scarce, raising the price to unsustainable levels for folx that rely on it to stay alive

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        You’re right except the last point - all drug shortages and issues are the result of doctors/public health and drug manufacturers. Never patients. It is a lie they tell us so we blame ourselves and each other.

        Patients can’t write their own prescriptions. Patients can’t magically procure a drug in their hands. They aren’t stealing them from diabetics, they are being advertised to and buying the product.

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      I’ve never taken Ozempic, but I did used to be a pharmacy tech, and having to tell patients that it was unavailable due to supply issues, on a daily basis, really sucked. I’m sure it was much worse for them.

      Ozempic can be the right choice, but it’s good to do plenty of research, and if you can, prioritize lifestyle interventions first. Here’s a video series on Ozempic, as well as ways that you can stimulate glp-1 production naturally through diet and lifestyle-

      https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd90bMuM9SuzQ83E1IsM3Yy4

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      My ex was on it for diabetes, and it caused gastroparesis in him and he ended up hospitalized for 12 days. His digestion has never been the same, and he’s in a class action lawsuit against the makers of Ozempic because it’s a side effect that they didn’t disclose.

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      I’ll bite. I’m on it for what some people here would consider “recreational” purposes (weight loss). However, I have polycystic ovaries and have had extreme difficulty losing weight in other ways. Essentially the only way I can lose weight is doing a pretty severe calorie deficit, which is really hard to do and essentially means I am starving all the time. Ozempic has helped me curb that perpetual feeling of hunger, and besides diarrhea (which I already had often anyway), it hasn’t caused me that many side effects.

      Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar. It’s hard to fill that hole, but there are other ways to supplement the things that my body is not creating which make me crave those things. While I’m on ozempic (I don’t plan on using it long-term) I’m also working to make changes to my diet to make sure I’m getting those things I was missing (B12, chromium picolante, some other stuff with scientific names).

      And I know people think it’s just “lazy”, which it is for some people, but I struggle to lose weight even with exercise and calorie deficits. Ozempic has helped me lose some, but not as drastic as other people.

      I have friends who are on waygovy (the same drug as ozempic but specifically targeted at weight loss) and they’ve had more side effects than me, but they are significantly bigger, have less healthy lifestyles and are I believe on a much higher dose than me. They’ve lost a ton of weight though.

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        I’m basically at the line of pre diabetic so the doc wants something to jumpstart me off the line, i definitely need to make changes but I would love the help to get going. I tend to intermittent fast but when I do eat it’s junk. Most people don’t get it but it’s akin to any addiction. Most times you don’t realize you’re binging till after, so something that can kill my cravings would be lovely

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          I haven’t done the type of deep dive research others mention here but I trusted my doctor when he told me this was a good choice for me. I also don’t live in the US so have no reason to believe he’s being paid off. If there are worse consequences than what I’ve discussed with him already, I guess I’ll have to deal with that.

          There are also non-medicinal ways to treat binge eating, and I’ve known people that have had good success with therapy/CBT for that, in case that’s something you can afford or are interested in.

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        Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar

        There is a good amount of literature documenting PCOS being a downstream effect of metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is caused by carbs and sugar. The addiction and cravings are real, but the order is reversed.

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      Before going on Ozempic, read up on current medical research (not Facebook or such shit). They discovered some not-so-good long term effects recently.

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        Like many medications, you are balancing the risks of continuing with an unmedicated health problem or any negative side effects of the medication.

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          But with Ozempic there is some serious long-term shit going on, which is bad, as you basically have to take this stuff forever or bounce back hard faster than you saying “supersize this burger meal”.

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            I think most medications are meant to be accompanied with permanent lifestyle changes where possible. No, you should not take this drug “forever”. If you take ozempic for weight loss but choose to continue eating like shit then it isn’t the drug’s fault. Assuming of course there isn’t some other medical disorder leading to weight gain, but again, balancing the negative health effects of obesity vs any negative effects of weight loss drugs needs to be examined by patient and physician.

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              If you take ozempic for weight loss but choose to continue eating like shit then it isn’t the drug’s fault.

              That’s not how it works. Ozempic simply opresses the hunger feeling, therefor helping you lose weight. Problem is that still existing, but empty/depleted fat cells basically scream “we are hungry”, so as soon as you get off Ozempic, you basically can’t stop eating until you regained at least the former state. That was - for me - the reason not to start on Ozempic, it’s like the “bounce back” effect after a diet, but on steroids. That current research has found other issues (heart problems, ocular nerve damages) just enforced my rejection (I was offered this on a free prescription base).

              I think most medications are meant to be accompanied with permanent lifestyle changes where possible. No, you should not take this drug “forever”.

              That is a very idealistic view, at least on some medication. With Ozempic, this is basically impossible due to the circumstances written above, with other medications it is simply due to the fact that no “lifestyle changes” can change e.g. genetic defects.

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                empty/depleted fat cells basically scream “we are hungry”, so as soon as you get off Ozempic, you basically can’t stop eating until you regained at least the former state.

                I don’t think that is quite right. If people on Ozempic use the opportunity to adapt to a low carbohydrate diet, when they come off the drugs they won’t be suffering from the save sugar craving addiction cycle.

                Fat cells don’t scream “we are hungry” they scream “we are full” that is what leptin signaling is for, but carbohydrate addiction is a much stronger signal for many people.

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                You completely ignored the “permanent lifestyle change” aspect. It doesn’t matter whether the person in need of weight loss does it via diet and exercise or via diet and ozempic, the diet/lifestyle that they got themselves fat on has to change.

                You’re basically blaming the drug for the person’s inability to psychologically deal with diet. That isn’t what the drug does. No, you don’t need to eat back to your old weight, that’s the part where permanent change to diet comes in.

                I already stated a caveat for conditions that may be outside the user’s control, so don’t use that as an excuse for all users. Yet again, the doctor and patient have to discuss the risks. I’m done here.

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                  You’re basically blaming the drug for the person’s inability to psychologically deal with diet.

                  No, I don’t. I’m just stating facts on how the human body works. With extreme willpower you might be able to counter this for a time, yes. But it will be a serious uphill battle, and the messenger chemicals from the depleted fat cells do not just stop because you will them to. You will just have to live in a state of perpetual raving hunger then. The few who can successfully overcome this for a significant time are rare, indeed.

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                  While your point is technically true, you’re ignoring the bigger picture. Some people are genetically predetermined to having an uncontrollable appetite. We’re talking about something that for some people is so extreme it’s worse than the worst addictions. Willpower is just outright a nonstarter, especially when you factor in the presence of our toxic food environment (ie., the way super markets are so stuffed full of junk food and junk food advertising that it becomes virtually guaranteed that the vast majority of people will habitually eat poorly).

                  Ozempic is absolutely an appropriate choice for people who struggle with appetite control. It may not be perfect, and ultimately it is best to do whatever we can for lifestyle interventions, but sometimes we just have to work with what we’ve got too.

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                Because weight gain is from not having enough vitamins or a correct balance of vitamins. Taking fat soluble vitamins (esp E&K1&coq10) made me lose weight and exercise more without trying.

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                  I’m sorry, but what? Weight gain is most primarily the result of calorie surplus, with genetics playing a major role as well. Telling people to take random vitamins, especially when you don’t know the full story of their dietary and micronutrient status is just completely inappropriate and unhelpful.

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            That’s… Not a side effect.

            That’s from people losing weight on their normal diet because of Ozempic, but never changing their diet for their new lower weight selves, so naturally they immediately gain it back.

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              That’s… Not a side effect.

              No, it is just the way this drug works. You take Ozempic, it supresses your hunger feeling, and you automatically change your diet as you are not as hungry anymore.

              Problem is that the depleted fat cells still exist, and a depleted fat cell releases signals that scream “I’m hungry! Feed me!”, and the more they are depleted, the louder the call. While you take Ozempic, this is supressed, but as soon as you get off it, your body demands food to re-fill the depleted cells, and will not stopping before it has reached at least the former status quo.

              Just like the bounce back effect after a diet, only worse.

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              You can’t eat the same way you did pre-Ozempic while you’re on Ozempic and still lose weight…

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      I’ve seen several successes and I wouldn’t believe every story you hear in these forums. The data shows it’s relatively safe with minimal serious secondary effects. That doesn’t mean nothing to manage at all. Just like statins for cholesterol.

      Ozempic and variants are also considered short term. They essentially short circuit the desire for vices, but are only effective for about a year. You either relearn your habits or you’ll eventually revert. If you are in ozempic for 2 years on weight loss you’ve likely ignored your doctor.

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      My wife has been on wegovy for about 3 months now, which is supposed to be similar. It’s ok, I guess. Still ramping up to the full amount and there was one week of really bad digestion issues, but the rest has been fine. She feels full way quicker, and if you go over that amount, you start to feel nauseous, so you stop. Problem is she hasn’t really done much else to help it. Still eating the same and hasn’t introduced more exercising to help. So far, loss is around 15 lbs, but it’s kind of sitting steady around this for a bit now.

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      My ex is on one of those for blood sugar. She’s not losing weight but she said it made a significant difference controlling her blood sugar.

      On the other hand her Dad is also on one of those for blood sugar but he’s never hungry and forgets to eat for days so has lost too much weight. It’s to the point where the doctor said anything he wants, load him up on chips and ice cream if necessary to get him back to a healthy weight

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        Im like 190lbs and have high blood sugar. I see guys twice my size eating cheeseburgers and they don’t get it. Doctor told me it’s generic for me, but it doesn’t help that I smoke weed and eat all my kids cereal at 1am

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      I’ve been on tirzepatide for maybe three months at this point. I highly recommend it. I think the risks are massively overblown. It’s predictable fear-mongering that is simply an understandable reaction to how greedy the pharma companies are with their pricing on it. If you can’t afford it, it’s tempting to convince yourself it would be a bad thing to take it anyway.

      I can’t afford it, but instead of spreading FUD about it, I found a third way. I just pirate the shit out of it! I’m not just taking tirz, I’m taking bootleg tirz! So far I’ve dropped from about 180 to 150.

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      I’m on Mounjaro for diabetes, have lost 35 pounds in two months. It’s a tool, with potential side effects, but for me it has been a huge jump-start for a lot of neglected health issues and overall energy levels.

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      I remember seeing this video where someone tearfully explained they got osteoporosis from being on it for a year.

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      There’s a story on one of the medicine subreddits where a mom brought her kid to ER for whatever viral syndrome, refused vaccination because she objected to the toxins in them, and then asked the staff to watch her kid so she could go smoke.

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    Whatever they can hork down by the Big Gulpful, but penetration by a stranger? Oh, no. That’s for their leaders, in secret.

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    Also, these people will take paracetamol with no questions asked.

    If I am the head of department of health, I would order a candid infomercial along the motif of “you wouldn’t steal a car, you wouldn’t pirate” but it goes “you don’t question paracetamol. Why do you question vaccines?”

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        We actually don’t know how it works. A new plausible theory came out but it is just speculation so far and doesn’t account for everything.

        https://www.livescience.com/health/we-may-finally-know-how-tylenol-works-and-its-not-how-we-thought

        “Even though we have been using paracetamol for the management of pain for more than 130 years, we still don’t fully understand how the drug works,” Wheate told Live Science. One widely held theory was that acetaminophen stopped the body from making. prostaglandins, which can trigger pain and inflammation, he said.“If the results of this study are confirmed, then it significantly changes our understanding of the drug.”

        Keep in mind this study was done in rats and this article is from 6/19 of this year.

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        Use them too often enough and it will cause hearing loss. It happened to my dad. The doctor said it is one of the side effects. I know other people who pop paracetamol unnecessarily when they feel slight pain or headache.

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          Oh yeah, people say, oh it’s just paracetamol. But its effects on the kidneys as well is not something to take lightly.