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Im still learning Lemmy, but for once it finally sent me to a place thats cool.
hello fellow vatnik tankie red-nazi z-gonk dunkers.
One of us! One of us! One of us!
Oh that guy. He spends all day on Lenny pushing pro-Russia and pro-Chinese propaganda. It’s probably his job. I’ve asked him to hook me up with extra work, but no leads yet.
LoL. A capitalist that cannot conceive of someone speaking what they believe in. They must be getting paid for it!
Perfectly on the nose. Chef’s kiss
lol a tankie that assumes everyone that disagrees with them is a capitalist. 🙄
It’s the posting all-day every day that makes me think it’s a job.
I wouldn’t expect the mom’s-basement-communists to get that though.
I love the denial paired with more wealth worship and poverty shaming. Keep churning out the hits!!
Same to you, comrade. Have a gooder, bud.
Suck my dick bitch
Ah yes, the famously communist Russian Federation. The RF is nakedly an imperial fascist regime that doesn’t even have communist window dressing, it boggles the mind that self-proclaimed communists and anti-imperialists support them.
RF is a Cult of personality, pretending to be a Mafia, pretending to be an empire. pretending to be a gas station masquerading as a state.
Careful you’ll get banned from .ml for saying that… :)-
Yogthos is either a fully paid professional propagandist or a highly skilled amateur. Probably the latter.
I’d call him(?) the single worst person of lemmy for the reason that every time he speaks of things that have nothing to do with politics, he seems like an absolutely cool dude. I remember even that in the first weeks of Russia’s aggression on Ukraine, he was being kinda somber and realistic about it. But then The Message somehow reached him and he started spouting Russia’s propaganda at full blast. He’s clearly intelligent and literate while doing this, which is just doubly sad.
In him, Communism has completely ruined a perfectly good person, and it’s a tragedy every time it happens.
Lmao, it’s yogthos. Canada’s most notorious freedom fighter lmao.
/s.
That dip couldn’t find the freedom he is “fighting” for if Marx drew him a map with directions.
Yeah, the reason he’s so happy about everything Russia does is that he’s a software engineer with over a decade of experience living in Canada, he’s living the cozy life and literally never going back to Russia because he’s way too soft for that at this point.
That particular post also got me banned from the community. I said something to the tune that I’ll agree with the state department on China, North Korea and Russia/Ukraine, but disagree on Cuba and Israel/Palestine, which probably makes me more of a leftist than all those dictator simping tankies. Someone did not like me pointing that out.
You ever point out to those people that Russia and China are very much NOT communist countries nowadays and people only simp for them because it’s opposition to American global hegemony… Yeah you’ll just get banned. I’ve been banned from .ml memes AND hexbear memes communities by now.
Lmao, I blocked him so long ago I forgot about his existence. Now look what you brought there, a forgottenone!
You’re both right.
Lol, overthrows the government to be run by the exact same government.
The mental gymnastics are ridiculous.
It almost feels like posting yogthos is cheating
Yogthos is always here to provide the shittiest of takes and the most phallical of fallacies.
I honestly can’t tell if these .ml guys in these discussions are trolling or just spouting retarded nonsense and calling everyone a Nazi for the sake of it
I wonder how many of them work in russia and china. their shittakes are hilariously tanky
Hey, no judgement, but we’re trying to cut down use of the r-term around here, as a courtesy to those who it’s been used to unfairly hurt. Just for future reference.
And on and on the euphemism train goes, where’s the next stop? There’s going to be a slur for the mentally deficient, tell me which one you endorse.
Thank goodness you’re here. Next thing you know, somebody is going to ask ME to be polite too!
None. Don’t insult people over stuff they can’t control. Call them ignorant shitheads not ugly/retarded/etc.
So shithead is the new slur for mental deficiency?
Is that what you call unintelligent uneducated indoctrinated rural people who piss you off with zealotry and hate?
Ignorance is not a disability, it’s a choice. So no, it’s not a slur for mental deficiency.
First of all, resorting to insults, great show of intelligence.
Second of all, if you need me to explain to you the difference between ignorance and stupidity, or the average bigot and people with actual mental disability then you have some catching up to do before we can discuss this topic.
Fuck’s sake.
Nevermind, I’ve learned that the new R-word is shithead. Seems more vulgar and insulting but whatever, that’s fine.
Not fond of George Carlin, I see.
Have you not read any interviews with Ukrainian military? Seen any of the patches on their uniforms? They call themselves Nazis. For fuck sake, they name streets after famous Nazis.
Every single thing they posted is true, from the Maiden Coup to Zelenskyy’s dictatorship. They’ve banned all opposition parties, banned opposition media, refuse to hold elections, and have been systematically killing Russian speakers in the east for over 10 years.
What happened 10 years ago in the east? Was it Russia invading due to oil reserve discoveries?
I know Ukrainians. I know eastern Ukrainians who protested against Yanukovych and were shot at so he could keep his gold loves of bread. I also know Russian/Ukrainians whose families emigrated to Ukraine after the USSR ethnically cleansed Crimea of the Tartars. Ukraine is a place with a complex past and lots of internal issues. But those issues are INTERNAL. They should have the right to work them out themselves. Russia invaded for oil and natural gas resources, plus the black sea ports. The rest is propaganda.
They’ve been at war for ten years. That’s like saying the US systematically killed German speakers for 4 years in the 1940’s. And they haven’t banned all opposition parties, just the Russian ones.
Russia invaded them three years ago, genius. And I love that you acknowledge they’re targeting ethnic Russians as part of the denial that they’re doing that.
You guys can’t keep your lies straight.
I’m just going to leave these right here. You don’t have to click on them, but it would be cool if you did.
The targeted killing of ethnic Russians preceded, and was used to justify, those events.
But the Maiden Coup got the entire thing rolling.
You mean the Russians made some shit up to justify invading Ukraine? Yeah we know that. And filling the streets with people doesn’t work without the people. No matter what you want to say.
Which is it? It didn’t happen, or you support it? Pick a lane.
Yogthos drank the vatnik koolaid.
The best part is that he is a very well paid software engineer living in ThE WeSt.
Couldn’t be more of a hypocrite if he fuckin’ tried.
When in ml, do as the red fascists do.
Yogthos is a clown
I dont get how tankies can support a “communist” nation like China that has an investor class and whose system requires the mistreatment of the proletariat.
The “Party” sits above the “Money” in their power structure, unlike most of the Capitalist countries nowadays were (after 4 decades of Neoliberalism) Money is a power above that of the State (and remember, the State is what the voters supposedly control in Democracy, so that means that Money is a higher power than Democracy, which is why many have pointed out that countries like the US are Oligarchies not Democracies).
And, for reference, in Fascism too (or, in fact, all other Autocratic systems) the State sits above Money, so I’m hardly saying that by itself that is enough to make that system good
The real hypocrisy of tankies, IMHO, is that the “Communist” nations they support in a tribalist way still have elites, they’re just not chosen via Money but instead via ability of climbing up the Party ranks (so Cronyism and Sociopathy) whilst genuine Leftwing thinking is about Equality, the very opposite of there being people who get privileged treatment for any reason other than need (that reason being money as in Capitalist system or something else is quite irrelevant in Leftwing thinking)
If you just see them as tribalists wedded to an ideology shaped by a specific kind of elites who use a specific kind of slogans around Equality to support the continuation of the structure that maintains their elite privileges, (which is parallel to what’s done in Capitalism which similarly has the whole bullshit about how wealth is the product of merit to justify discrimination based on wealth) you can understand why tankies would think what they do about China.
They’re still mindless simpleton tribalists, but it’s interesting to understand how using as foundation for ones own judgement an ideology controlled by somebody else without doing at the very least some analysing of it just as easily yields a tankie, a Fascist or a (Neo)liberal depending on which ideological bundle of slogans they’ve unquestioningly adopted.
“Because they’ll eventually take away their wealth or kill them” is an argument I’ve actually seen on .ml. I’m not against the sentiment of getting rid of the capitalists but cmon, when someone says China isn’t socialist and points at a clearly capitalist behavior you can’t be “it’s still socialist because the capitalist thing will be fixed in the future”. Then every country might as well be socialist, we’ll just fix capitalism at some later date.
At least China goes through the motions of being Communist. They also somehow support 21st century Russia which is just openly an authoritarian oligarchy.
My ‘favorite’ is when they defend clerical fascism in Iran as some kind of fantastic anti-capitalist development,
Islamic theocracy is fundamentally incompatible with fascism as the ideal state posed by Islam is a caliphate aka a theocratic monarchal state.
The leftists allied with the religious nutjobs in the revolution, then got murdered immediately afterwards because the religious nutjobs didn’t want a leftist government that tolerated religion, they wanted an authoritarian theocracy. Some people somehow think that any leftist-backed revolution always goes brilliantly and ends up with utopian socialism or communism and no one ever exploits the post-revolutionary power vacuum for their own ends. That isn’t compatible with what happened, so instead, they must believe that the leftists survived being murdered and now run Iran.
Communists also literally do not care about democracy and seem to strongly believe that if anyone in the country wants something pretty socialist then than justifies overruling the reat of the country with all the military power it can muster if neecessary.
As a side note Islamic theocracy is immune to fascism given the fact that the ideal state in Islam is a theocracy. Theocracies and fascism are incompatible due to the supremacy of the faith in one vs the other.
Iran is just another theocratic totalitarian state. They are not fascists.
That’s overly simplistic. Fascists and theocrats work together to gain power for all the time. See the current marriage of Trump and Christian Nationalists in the United States, for example.
That has nothing to do with my claim which is specific to Islam. As Islam posits a caliphate as the ideal state it is incompatible with fascism which requires faith to be subservient to the state. Iran cannot be as Muslim fascist theocracy
There is often a very large gap between what is seen as ideal and what pans out in reality. Fascism is absolutely a possible result of an attempt to establish a caliphate, just as an authoritarian dictatorship or oligarchy - sooner or later - is a possible result of an attempt to establish communism.
If you end up fascist you cannot be a Muslim theocratic state which is what Islam posits as the ideal this you cannot have a state that is both fascist and an Islamic theocracy. This combination is entirely possible for other faiths that do not posit an ideal state.
You cannot be both.
Don’t worry, someone will be along shortly to recommend 2000 pages of communist literature that wouldn’t even prove their point even if you read it all.
Because they don’t support communism. They just like one version of ogliarchy better than the other.
They’re authoritarians not communists ie. the ole schtick.
Yogthos is the kind of piece of shit that “critically supports” bombing Ukrainian kindergartens and maternity wards as long as, somewhere in the world, at least one Western tear is shed over it. Blocking them makes the fediverse far less unpleasant.
Wonder why that user account is above the rules of the instance and its communities. The modlog is full of examples which should apply to their behavior as well
Lemmy.ml has banned him a couple of times for short periods though. Lemmygrad.ml is obviously perfectly ok with everything he’s saying. Some instances (such as the one I’m using) have also blocked him permanently.
They’re a mod of several .ml communities. Just like every communist dictatorship, laws and rules don’t matter when it’s the one in charge breaking them.
Let’s not pander the charade of that being communism
Perhaps there should be a new word for this communism that doesn’t oppress
Isn’t it just Marxism or communism.
Like democracy doesn’t have a new word because some people oppress in the name of it
Yep. Leninist aren’t communist. And never will be. They use the term ironically like magats use the term freedom. They make it their identity despite being opposed to it.
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