Amber is a questionable addition, other than that, yeah.
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See my comment below, there’s more to that when you look beyond the social media campaign
Nothing that Depp did justifies what Heard did. You’re defending an abuser right now.
Did you read my comment below?
Yes, it sounds like you’re saying her behavior was justified because of things like Depp’s past relationships and his association with Hunter S Thompson.
No, I’m not and I said I don’t like a lot of her behaviour. I just believe Depp is abusive.
If you aren’t trying to justify her actions then what’s the point of bringing up Depp in the first place?
They’re both toxic arseholes who trapped each other in a feedback loop
Hey, please try to keep misogyny (the b-slur) out of this community as it’s harmful to ourselves, and probbaly other women here. Also in our opinion nobody deserves being called that, no matter what they did.
There’s a lot of Amber’s behaviour I really don’t like and I really understand people believing him. It’s worth looking at the UK judge’s verdict from the UK trial, where an experienced judge tested the evidence and found he was abusive. There’s also Ellen Barkin saying he drugged her for sex, him dating Winona when she was 17 and he was 26, his friendship with multiple abusers, see here, here, and here (warning: Ginsberg was a supporter of NAMBLA). Then of course Manson who here shared awful texts with and many, many other things that make me believe her. However Amber’s behaviour was awful sometimes, she did a lot of attention seeking, and I really understand people disbelieving her.
It is possible for two people to both be bad.
Yep exactly. And not every person in an abusive relationship is a nice person, especially when they’ve endured years of abuse
At which point in this list of yours are Ambers Heard’s abusive actions justified?
And if they’re not, why are you defending a convicted abuser?
And if they’re not, why are you defending a convicted abuser?
Law is not morality, courts are not really suited to deal with situations like this. They both needed help, not to fight and be convicted or whatever. It was an unhelpful show trial.
Restorative and transformative justice is what was needed so these clearly damaged people could heal.
The fact that she is also a victim doesn’t make her not an abuser though.
Yes, they both needed help decades ago, but that doesn’t excuse either of their abuse. He’s an abuser, she’s an abuser. Neither should be defended, and both need help.
But none of those things justify her abuse, and none of those things means anyone should defend her abuse.
Sure, but neither deserve hate either, it isn’t useful or helpful. Sure, be wary. But hate doesn’t do anything useful.
The whole affair shows that the ‘justice’ system does not work. It was not fit for purpose to actually help these clearly damaged people and they needed something much better where neither side was going to ‘win’. It was all for a spectacle, a show. We hated it at the time and hate it now. There was little point and they would have been better served by a restorative and transformative justice system out of the public eye. They both just needed to be kept away from each other as a result of any true justice system, and mental health etc help, and he definitely needed to pay her back.
The attention, hate etc wasn’t useful for either of them and it shows a servere lack of actual justice in the current system because it is not at all built for it.
Absolutely. Nice court case should be decided by social media, it’s just wrong.
Well, yes, but that’s not really our point either. We’re saying the courts themselves aren’t fit for purpose in this either.
I agree
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Amber Heard deserved all of it.
Meghan Markle did not deserve it as such, just… what did she think would happen?
I absolutely agree Meghan Markle didn’t deserve it, especially the racist angle which is indefensible. If you see my comment above, there’s more to the Amber’s Heard story that wasn’t reflected in the media narrative. And I can’t think of a male abuser that’s faced as much vitriol as her.
Considering I haven’t heard calls for Amber to have her genitals chopped off, certainly none met with cheering… I can think of many male abusers who have faced as much vitriol as her. This sounds like heavy duty white knighting
Steve thanks for popping by! We are women only so please don’t comment again, thanks for understanding 😊
How do you know what Steve’s gender is? Did you ask her?
Thanks for your interest in our group! We are trans inclusive women only so I’ve had to ban you. All the best 💖
Oh look! Another man with an opinion so important it simply must be shared!
If it’s too complicated to follow, maybe you can plug it into the LLMbecile “AI” of your choice to have it dumbed down to toddler levels for you.
And this is why men and women can’t be friends.
Isn’t Meghan Markle a royal? That alone means she’s fit for guillotining.
She’s weird. An American actress who married a prince, but the level of racist bullshit they’ve went through have pushed the both away from his family. She doesn’t deserve the French treatment, but her in-laws shouldn’t have their jobs
Don’t worry, there’s room for everyone.
When someone says there’s room for everyone at the guillotine I have no doubt that they mean it, unfortunately I suspect they really do mean everyone
No, she’s an actress who happened to fall in love with a royal.
Doubly so.
100% always Monica Lewinsky
My partner is following the Blake lively case and she is absolutely a toxic narcissist who deserves the hate she’s been getting. Going after small time content creators with less than 10 followers is pathetic.
Same with Amber Heard.
Did anyone but the royal family dislike Diana? She’s aleays come off as pretty university beloved to the point that people sided with her over the fuckass prince who survived her
Yep she was adored, queen of hearts. She took some shit in the media though
Yeah the media was completely savage with her.
The UK paparazzi is a plague on the whole country, if you’re remotely in the public eye, they will drag you through the mud completely without regard for reality or consequences.
Yep. I remember reading about the abuse paparazzi would shout at her so she’d react or at least and they’d get a photo. They were vile
Stephenie Meyer.
Hear me out. Were the books well written? No. Did they describe very toxic and harmful relationship dynamics? Yes. Did they contain weird morals? Also yes.
These are all things that can be justly criticised. And there is probably a lot more to criticise. But did Stephanie Meyer, and to some extent her readers, really deserve the huge wave of hate they got? Were the books really objectively worse than other YA fiction? Or was it just because they were popular among young women?
I was a teenager when the books came out and loved them. (Though even then I did not understand why they needed to marry so young and she lost me with the whole Renesmee thing). Now I cringe hard about almost any aspect of them, but hate is going a bit overboard.
And at least Meyer (to my knowledge) didn’t try to push her weird worldviews onto us outside of her book, unlike JKR.
I’ve heard very little hate for Stephanie but plenty for Twilight the series. Most of the general public that would be unjustly hating on her probably don’t know her name, tbh. Maybe I’m just living in a fairy tale land? 🤷
Moreover, Meyer matured as an author. Her book The Chemist is a genuinely excellent genre-bending espionage romance thriller, which her fans hated because it wasn’t about vampire porn.
Contra’s video about twilight really got me to rethink Meyer. I’m not calling her a master of her craft like Tamsyn Muir, Arkaday Martine, or Ursula K. LeGuinn or anything, but she wrote something that a ton of people loved. Not all art needs to be particularly skillfully made or particularly deep to be cherished. And in retrospect it’s clear that the backlash was largely because it was primarily loved by teenage girls and middle aged women. I know that’s why I judged it.
Also Meyer has just remained a general class act despite the bullying, which speaks to her character and is refreshing compared to the other major YA author of her era.
Complete side note: I love seeing Ursula K. LeGuinn mentioned when talking about masters of the craft. She’s a god damned genius and the entire reason I got into fantasy, which is the reason I read so much to this day.
To at least pretend to be on topic: a lot of folks, myself especially, missed out on a lot of really cool shit because it was enjoyed by teen girls. I was bad about making fun of those things (I hated anything popular for a long time, especially if it was aimed in that particular direction). Twilight was not for me, but good for her for putting out stuff people enjoyed. Very few people have the honor of doing that and I’m happy for her.
I totally see your point with Meyer
i’ll die on the hill that the twilight series is closer to outsider art than it is to pure schlock. if you consider her background (married young, super mormon), the story starts to read a lot more like escapist fantasy rather than “just teenage romance”.
and don’t even get me STARTED on alice. re-read like ANY alice parts of those books and tell me that smeyer isn’t a little bit gay.
hard agree on the toxic and harmful relationship dynamics tho 😬
Lousy list. Plenty of garbage on it.
Name the women you believe deserve the hate they got.
Gal Godot. Ellen degeneres. Anyone who participated in that Imagine debacle
Diana didn’t really get any hate and didn’t reallydeserve the attention, so… her? 🤷 Like not saying she should’ve been hated, just that I never got why ppl acted like she was some saint
It’s not saintly, just common decency, but she did use her fame to fight the fear/hate of people with AIDS, and homophobia in general. And Charles and some of the other royals encouraged the press to give her shit for going out to have fun, when he was fucking Camilla and only married Diana for an heir and a spare, which she faithfully provided.
I don’t know enough about most of them to have an opinion. At a certain level of fame, everything you do is going to be scrutinized and exaggerated into an attention-grabbing headline. Celebrities are still just people and hate is a strong word. Unless they’ve done something truly awful, I don’t have a reason to think of someone I’ve never met as anything beyond mildly annoying.
Totally agree. I’m so checked out of celebrity gossip that I only recognized Amber Heard’s controversy, only vaguely, and only because people kept asking me about it, to which I’d respond, “Oh, I don’t know.”
“Anne Hathaway? Oh, I remember Les Mis. She did that whole song in one take.”
i don’t follow celebrities closely enough to know about all of these controversies, but seems fair
Agree 100%
Britney in particular, the poor woman was large scale humiliated for breaking down after years of abuse and media pressure. Then her freedom was taken from her
It was so shameful and predatory the way she was forced to remain under conservatorship and continue performing, all so her dad could make a fuckton of money off of her.
Yeah, it’s truly terrible. ☹️
I recognize, like , three names and only really know anything about one of them (Diana).
My thoughts?
Unless any of them is responsible for literally thousands of deaths or the physical misery of millions, none of them deserve hate.
Counterpoint: J. K. Rowling
She’s best handled by simply ignoring her instead of giving her the attention she and her press agents love her getting.
Victims of transphobia and relevant legislation can’t just ignore the person with the clout to promote transphobia to politicians and her massive audience.
She’s literally giving money to hate organisations, so it’s not just being an AH
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