This was so common during protests in Spain they made a movie about it: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555674/
“A young man who lost his eye with a rubber ball in a street protest, coincidentally meets the riot police who shot the ball in a dinner.”
Holy shit. This must be a thing that cops do on purpose, then.
I don’t think so, rubber bullets travel relatively slow, I don’t think they would be accurate enough to aim for the eyes. I do think they’re probably not careful enough about the face of though
Eyewitness News Reporter Sid Garcia spoke to the protester who was shot from his hospital bed at the L.A. General Medical Center.
I was thinking at first like, how lucky to be in a hospital bed already when being shot. 🧐
ICE will retaliate at a time, place, and manor of their choosing. /S
Is that “/s” there for plausible deniability? Because I don’t think it’s going to work. ICE seems to be immune to logic and other mind tricks like deniability.
“Just one more peaceful protest bro. I swear bro”
Reminder to folks that “less lethal” still means “lethal” even if the cops pretend it doesn’t.
It is this kind of thing that made me decide to ignore my city’s municipal codes regarding protest gear. It outlaws the wearing of bulletproof vests, helmets, protective visors, hearing protection, gas masks, and so on. To say the least, I cannot respect a law that is designed to permit bullies to injure or kill people who did nothing wrong.
how is it legal to stop people from wearing bulletproof vests in public!? Why aren’t 2nd amendment mfs screaming about this?
“See, the second amendment specifically says you have a right to bear arms, and that means any kind of gun I want to buy should be legal.”
“However, there is no amendment saying you have a right to wear armor. So being protected isn’t a constitutional right”.
“Oh? This supressor I want to put on my gun? That should be allowed by the second amendment. Wait, what do you mean there is no constitutional right to gun accessories?!”
It usually goes something like that. I’d like to point out here that there isn’t a constitutional right to wear pants or eat bacon either.
If you don’t bring any protective gear, you better run when things get ugly. If you plan to stay when things get ugly, you better bring the appropriate gear with you.
Gods forbid that people should protect their faces from damage.
In the video from last weekend of the Australian reporter being shot in the back, you can clearly see the police officer behind her raise and aim straight at her. Clearly there’s no repercussions for misusing these weapons.
Different victim but here’s what a shot to the back can do:
This shit is ridiculous. I have many, many words. None of which are not pure rage and sadness.
I had a similar bruise from a less-lethal bullet on my butt, and I’ve seen a kid get hit with one in his head, that was scary. This was a long time ago though, but the bullets then were steel core and rubber around it. Not sure if they use different ones in the US.
I think he was hit with some kind of grenade the police fired. There seems to be a huge hole in the center. How is he not paralyzed??
IIRC, rubber “bullets” are somewhere around 30mm, which isn’t that far off from the size of the rounds grenade launchers commonly use - I think those are usually 30-40mm. I saw somebody recently say that they’re the size of 8 or even 4-gauge shotgun slugs, and an 8-gauge is 25% larger than a 12-gauge.
They’re also not rubber like people think of when they hear the name. They’re a metal slug wrapped in a layer of rubber or foam.
That’s a big-ass bruise. If it was a hole, that man wouldn’t be standing.
Holy shit, where is that picture from? Is that an injury from the current round of protests?
I believe that was from about a week ago. I think it got overshadowed by * gestures widely *.
Clearly there’s no repercussions for misusing these weapons.
Maybe in countries where police accountability isn’t a punchline.
Maybe in countries where police accountability isn’t a punchline.
Name one.
The real punchline is always in the replies… 😁
Seriously, though. Name one in which you think police accountability isn’t a joke.
Don’t tell me the Nordic countries are unserious about that?
We’ve had a couple cases in Norway in recent years where police were investigated for some thing or other. Based on the evidence I’ve seen, they’re definitely held accountable when they over-step.
To name a specific case (where the cop was found not guilty), there was a huge case when a cop punched a guy in the face while he was on the ground. After several rounds in court, it was decided that he was using reasonable force, because the guy was wrestling him, and he noticed that the guy had a knife on him.
The point is that a policeman punching someone at all became a huge court case with national coverage, so I would say they’re held accountable.
Well I got tortured in a cell for three days and can’t get a single Finnish person to even accept that it happened.
They won’t talk about it either. They’ll just shut down, completely.
Just like your systems, theyre good on paper.
But do tell me how a person could feasibly manage to hurt themselves and write a fucking novel with their own blood on the cell walls while under constant supervision for “his safety”?
Afterwards when I tried getting the video of that with lawyers, it’s “vanished”, despite them originally trying to say I “vandalised the cell” by going crazy and drawing with blood.
They denied me my prescription medication, personal rights are honestly a fucking joke in Finland. We’re so bureaucratic it’s gone authoritarian.
It’s ludicrous.
I also didn’t have the mattress or the blanket, they took hose away too. Three days, lights on constantly, no explanation how long I would be here for, no medication, I didn’t eat.
Yeah, police accountability is a complete joke in Finland, much more so than in the US. There may be more overall abuses in the US, our cops generally play nice on the street. But behind closes doors?
Hell, Finnish people literally don’t understand that we actually have rights.
At one point they turned of my water in the cell. That’s literally against international laws.
I’ve tried complaining to officials and journalists and even my own family don’t believe me. My mom fucking victim blamed me for it.
In the US I would’ve definitely found a lawyer willing to fight such clear injustice (as in a golden case). I’d be a fucking millionaire for the compensations.
But here, even when I do manage a small win like
https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
That, actually the supreme court of Finland deciding I was in the right and my rights were violated? Zero compensation. Fuck, no-one even let me know, I learned it from the news.
So yeah. Police accountability here is a goddamn joke.
Hundreds have been permanently blinded.
Just think about how that could even happen. You put any of us in their shoes, we would obviously aim low, to prevent permanent damage.
It’s like police are overgrown toddlers, mad that they’re forced to use less lethal rounds… So they take it out on civilians and aim for the face. Can you imagine being as hate-filled as these fucking orcs that you would want to blind the people you “serve” for the rest of their lives (if you don’t kill them)!? Absolute monsters…
‘Quantified immunity’ is unique to the USA. Never should have been made law and it should surprise no-one that it came about during push-back to the civil rights movement. It enables all of this bullshit by making police behaviour untouchable.
Qualified.
… I’m not sure what quantified immunity would look like.
Toddlers would see people getting hurt and angry and stop.
Eye shot vs nut shot I can’t decide which is worse
You expect me to believe that cops are supposed to 360 no scope trick shots? I don’t think they took, much less passed, geometry.
You’re supposed to be shooting at a dangerous crowd, not an individual. You don’t need to accurately get the right angle you just need to generally aim in the right direction, but at the ground, and I’ll bounce and hit someone. The fact they’re choosing not to do this either indicates poor training or malice.
Interesting. It’s generally used for yolo trick shots, but may be used in a direct shot at the operator’s discretion. That’s the loophole.
Both. Malice inspired poor training.
We need a database of pigs and ICE.
best they can do is have palintir make a database about citizens.
I hope they recover their vision. As someone who lost sight in one eye I can attest that going from binocular to monocular vision is life altering AND not considered a disability under the
lawSocial Security requirements but typically is covered by ADA.Edit: clarification.
How is losing 50% of your eyesight not a disability?
Because you still have eyesight in the other eye, so in social security’s mind there’s jobs in the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (the DOT) you could still perform, and if there’s three jobs you could perform despite your impairment you aren’t disabled. Also, if you’re under 50 you almost certainly aren’t disabled for some reason. It’s maddening.
Can’t judge distance anymore either.
That’s bonkers, in the UK I’m technically disabled because i have tinnitus and ADHD. (I still work like anyone else, but I have protected rights because of my status)
A lot of states don’t even care if you’ve only got so-so vision in one eye and are completely blind in the other. No stereopsis, no problem! Here’s a driver’s license. Good luck.
I would absolutely not be comfortable driving with vision in only one eye. It isn’t just depth perception, but you are losing significant field of vision.
Here’s a driver’s license.
Good luck.Now get to work you lazy bum!
My dude, teeth are considered luxury bones in this country.
In general, insurance covers nothing in your head.
You may now lick the fluoride wall for 15 seconds. Better cherish that fresh mint breath. Don’t forget to pay the lady
The best time to enjoy the flavour is during the two 5 minute advert breaks, which will occur at 5 and 10 seconds into your fluoride wall-licking experience.
America
I’ll adjust my comment because I realize it might be confusing. It’s protected by ADA but it doesn’t meet the requirements for a disability claim under Social Security:
It’s protected by ADA
IOW - work from home (assuming job duties can be done remotely) due to being unable to safely operate a 2-ton vehicle. Of course you would need to actually relinquish driving altogether and not just use it to skip the commute.
Unfortunately no. Not only does monocular vision not automatically disqualify you from driving but you can still get a commercial drivers license with vision in only one eye.
Regardless, I would still stop driving and seek ADA accommodation with assistance from a medical professional. It should be noted that my driving skills are marginal (but passable) as it is.
Even if some can pull it off doesn’t mean that I personally can. Some can run a mile under 6 minutes. I cannot.
Edit: Incidentally, I do not find it comforting that someone with significantly impaired vision would be allowed a CDL and able to drive a semi. But then given the standards for driving in the U.S., I suppose I shouldn’t find it particularly surprising. We don’t take automobile safety nearly as seriously as we should.
That’s not how reasonable accommodation works under ADA. If you were applying for a job that required you to be in office they could just refuse to hire.
If you tried to force working from home at a job you already had a reasonable accommodation would be adjusting your schedule so you could utilize public transportation.
It would be nice if people could dictate the terms but that’s not what ADA protects under “reasonable accommodation”.
That’s not how reasonable accommodation works under ADA. If you were applying for a job that required you to be in office they could just refuse to hire.
It’s what it is, and I would have no choice but to keep looking. Fortunately companies and employers are not a monolith, and some are more reasonable than others regarding things like this and may not challenge it. Particularly if you have in-demand skills.
could utilize public transportation.
This would certainly be a viable in some parts of the U.S. Indeed, loss of vision would very likely push me to relocate to somewhere with better accessibility for non-drivers.
Despite my misgivings regarding their technological viability, this is one of many reasons why I am a big promoter of self-driving vehicles. But I still think working models available to consumers are a minimum decade or more off.
Waiting for Pussolini to send the National Guard to city hall, to depose the mayor and council.
You shouldn’t have to wear safety rated glasses to protest, but I wouldn’t go to one without them at this point. If you normally wear glasses and they’re not rated an impact can shatter them and cause even more damage than not wearing them at all would have.
If you have glasses buy safety glasses that go over top of them. Doesn’t matter if your glasses are rated for it, use the safety glasses. Glasses are expensive and safety glasses can be bought for fairly cheap.
If you can’t afford them, check if there is a robotics event going on near you. Then check if they have open access to the pits, if they do then they will have safety glasses stations that you can pick up a pair at. They won’t hound you for then back really, the people working those stations are usually volunteers. At those kinds of events they also expect a lot of those pairs to get taken, whether accidentally or on purpose. So you taking a pair will go unnoticed.
Edit: Not everyone has a few dollars that can be spared for a pair of safety glasses. Stealing from a store is more risky than taking them from an event where they aren’t expecting them back. Remember that jails are filled with people who can’t afford to pay their bails. I’m not here to price gatekeep people going to protests, get a pair however you can. I want you to be safe, not keep you out.
If you can afford multiple pairs buy extras for others. Be selfless rather than be an asshole.
This seems like a lot of work to save two dollars.
Sometimes money is tight, it can matter to people more than you might think
Safety glasses that are actually safety glasses aren’t two dollars
You’re right, if you check Amazon you can get a box of 10 ANSI certified safety glasses for 16.99. So actually less than two dollars.
I originally pulled that number out of thin air, but how much do you think the ones they give out for these robotics events cost? If you tour a manufacturing facility and they pass out OSHA required safety glasses, how much do you think they cost? Probably also less than two dollars.
Yes glad you understand the concept of bulk buying!! Maybe you’d also understand that the events are buying in even larger amounts and they get their money (or even the safety glasses themselves) from sponsors who aren’t it back anyways. Maybe you also might understand that the people who run these events don’t really care if they are returned or not. That they care more about people being safe than about a piece of plastic being brought back.
I volunteer at events and have spoken with organizers of said events. They aren’t bothered by pairs going missing, they are bothered by people not wearing them.
Another you should consider is that not everyone has the 16.99, plus shipping, plus tax, to buy that 10 pair on a discount. Remember that roughly half of all people in this country survive paycheck to paycheck. Money can be tight and even cheap things can be expensive to others. Be understanding of where others are, rather than assume your position is the default. Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and you’ll see things differently.
Single glasses are also $2 in local retail stores.
I actually prefer the clear $2 glasses to the fancier padded $8 ones. They last longer and the rubber on the fancy ones will eventually get sticky and fall off.
Look at this condescending ass motherfucker who was telling everyone to go find a robotics event somewhere to snag some free glasses on their way to a protest to save
twofive dollars. You can get a single pair at Home Depot for five bucks.Thanks for the tip buddy. I’m sure it will help exactly zero people.
I wonder if it would help to frame the suggestion as a “questionably ethical, depending, life pro tip“.
Then explain you might be able to have some fun checking out a robotics event and—especially if you are able to make a little connection with one of the organizers—you should explain your financial situation and ask if one of the pairs went missing if they could forgive you for it.
And for some two-dollar item when it’s a question they probably never get asked, they’re probably gonna say “sure!“ and be able to feel good about helping a near stranger.
(As it stood, it had vibes like “your local library might leave their late fee coin jar unlocked!” which I know was notttt anything like your perspective cuz you’ve been to those events! This is a risky parenthetical, not accusing you of nuthin’ pls :) )
Lol wat? Why go through all that to steal from volunteer event supplies? If you really, seriously, need to steal a pair go to home depot, grab a pair and walk out. Take from corpos not science nerds.
Edit- I’m not condoning stealing from anyone, but if that’s where your heads at, choose better targets.
I’ve worked as a volunteer at robotics events, pairs can be donated by large corporations. And the events aren’t expecting the pairs back anyways. Stores might give more of a shit, probably not but it’s safer for the people who can’t afford them.
If you walk up and ask for a pair you can keep because yours were broken, they’ll give you them. Don’t have to steal. Just be kind.
Lol
Unethical life pro tip there. “Steal from volunteers” shouldn’t inspire any sympathy for you from anyone.
If you’re going to steal, steal from Home Depot.
Why steal things that you can buy for $5?
A person has 35 dollars for the week. Glasses or food for a family?
Love the down voting of what I actually had to do yesterday. Fuckheads.
No wonder Trump’s in office
This! Look for “Z87” somewhere on the frame of the glasses to know if they’re impact rated.
I don’t think z87 are strong enough for rubber bullets, especially if they’re taking a direct shot like this. Looking around the internet you need to jump up to MIL-PRF-32432 for that.
I looked it up, and take this how you will as it’s from safetyglassesusa.com and they say, “Yes, safety glasses & goggles can stop a rubber bullet, provided the correct type of safety eyewear is used. Industrial-rated ANSI Z87.1+ safety eyewear is specifically designed to protect your eyes from work-related hazards. Ballistic-rated eyewear is designed and tested to protect your eyes from higher-velocity projectiles and debris typically found in combat environments.”
So you’re right. Z87 may not cut it, but still it’s probably going to be fine except in extreme circumstances. Still better safe than sorry.
Z87+ goggles is the minimum if things are getting shot at your eyes.
Its important to note that goggles and glasses are tested under different standards, glasses 7J of energy, goggles 15,5J
And kevilar vest. And jock. Maybe even a helmet.
But if course, that enables the narrative that you come dressed to fight or something stupid. What has happened to Western civilization…
The protester was among tens of thousands of people who took to the streets for the demonstrations across Southern California and the rest of the country.
Tens of thousands? There were over FIVE MILLION protesters.
E OVER THIRTEEN MILLION protesters - thank you, Lucidlethargy
Over 12 million
Yeah the 5 Million seemed like the total number from just counting the big cities. If you actually include the thousands of small protest events all over the US, 12 Million makes a lot more sense
Over 12 million is also over 5 million, which is tens of thousands (over 1200 tens of thousands, technically)
I used to drink. I still do, but I used to too
Estimates say there may be have been dozens or more protestors.
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Imagine if you are a refugee and escaped from a war/tyrannical regime only to end up in the US and reading these type of things on the news…
Must be awkward… 👀
Pretty depressing to imagine escaping one despotic regime, through hell and high water, only to watch another rise and set its sights right on you.
chemistry stores in college sell those hard plastic glasses or goggles.
You’ll need z87+ (ANSI Z87.1) impact resistant safety glasses or goggles. If the chemistry store does not have these you can find them at any big box hardware store
They trying to make those rubber bullets letal.
Less lethal is just maiming? That doesn’t seem much fucking better.
You are supposed to aim centre mass with less lethal. Hitting the eye means you are incompetent (unlikely), or malicious (definitely).
I was at a protest in DTLA where they were firing them. Some cops were flinching when the rounds were fired. So I’m going with both incompetent and malicious.
I think that part of a cop’s competency is not being malicious. Or in other words, a malicious cop is also necessarily incompetent.
You also aren’t supposed to aim directly at people but bounce them off the ground, IIRC
Not the briefing I got when we got to try them out when I was in the navy.
I saw somebody say that older rounds were designed to be used that way while newer rounds are meant to be aimed at center mass (both from at least a certain distance away to let the energy dissipate before it hits somebody/something), but cops have both kinds in their arsenal and fire them both directly at people from point-blank range - breaking all the rules for their use.
Rubber bullets are supposed to be fired at the ground and bounce up into targets…
Not all of them.
Hey, that’s an insult to trained shooters. They are clearly both.
Well it’s better than dead.
Classic passive voice headline.
Protester shot in the eye with rubber bullet during ‘No Kings Day’ rally in downtown Los AngelesPolice use firearms at point blank range equipped with rubber bullets to get away with literally shooting out the eye of an American peacefully expressing their legally protected 1st Amendment right to protest during the ‘No Kings Day’ rally in downtown Los Angeles
TL;DR -
FTFY
I wonder if this was the guy that was injured during Hasan’s stream on Saturday? There was a guy injured in the eye and the cops were definitely shooting head level.
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