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          Fuck yeah they do.

          I’ve quit drinking, but my home bar used to be the queer center of town. Large southern city but not Nashville size. All queer types welcome there, owner kept a bottle of top shelf bourbon for me.

          Anyhow, the core of pride and drag was in that bar. I fucking love queens, they’re so much fun. Gossip, sarcasm, black humor. Culture rooted in protest and free expression. My girl is genuinely big boned and tall. She was always talking clothes and shopping and makeup, has a flamboyant '50s style.

          Anyhow, to all my straight peeps out there:

          Going to a drag show is a fantastic date. Take a girl to a drag show and you’ll have a great time. Ask around and find a small show that accepts outsiders. Don’t be a total tourist, be respectful, admit you’re a virgin and do the whip cream blowjob shot, it’s candy flavored.

          You will probably get lucky if you take a girl to a drag show. You may also have an in depth discussion about the history of queer protest or the pros and cons of assembly and C for microcontrollers. So many queer programmers, they must issue the socks along with the mechanical keyboard. You might get your dick sucked, but only if you want to.

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              I looked it up, it’s amaretto, Irish cream liqueur, and whipped cream. You take the shot without using your hands.

              I’d do a few.

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                  Well I’m not a mixologist, but I’d assume you would replace the Irish cream with whisky (which is usually what Irish cream is made with), and omit the whipped cream.

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                I imagined it’d be something like an alcoholic beverage. I don’t drink, tho, so…

                The no-hands shot got me curious, though

                I wonder if this blowjob is a general thing or specific to drag culture (can you tell I’m booz noob?)

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                  IDK, I’ve seen it at drag shows at three venues in the south. So anecdotal and maybe regional. I’ve also seen them purchased in straight bars for girls/bachelorette parties along the same vein as body shots or getting ‘straight’ girls to make out.

                  The way I’ve seen it done, for smaller drag shows where audience participation is possible. The hostess calls for virgins, and all the straight guy virgins are pointed out and have to come to the front and do the hands ree shot. Everyone catcalls and the room goes wild.

                  It’s really funny, and done with good intent, but you can tell the dudes have never been objectified that way.

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                  It’s non-specific to queer culture. It’s been around for ages as a sort of funny bar standby or joke drink.

                  I encounted them first about 20 years ago in Canada. Had one for my 19th birthday at a random bar long before I came out as trans. Most of the time it’s a vehicle for the joke of someone saying they got you a blowjob for some kind of special occasion.

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    Disclaimer, this isn’t true for everyone, but as somebody raised southern baptist, I think this image is missing the point.

    The biggest risk for Christian parents having their kid go to a drag show is they might end up questioning Christianity, and rejecting it.

    They’re not wrong about that risk, just about the morality of it. They want to have their kid indoctrinated, but only into the things that believe. They see anything that takes their child away from Christianity as evil.

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      This.

      Those kids might realize that there’s people out there who don’t do what the bible says - they crossdress, they’re gay, they don’t go to church, they don’t believe in god - and yet, they’re good people.

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        This unlocked a memory for me.

        When I finally saw out and proud queer people, I was fascinated. So many were nice and they were happy. I wanted to go with them!

        My dad would always be fuming. “Those people flaunting their disgusting lifestyle.

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        The Bible isn’t against any of those things. They chose to make their interpretation disagree with reality and now they have to constantly defend against reality.

        Point is, it’s a hard life being dishonest. That’s why there’s a rule against lying in that book.

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          I think your heart is in the right place, but the perspective may be a bit off, or I misunderstood you.

          Saying that “the Bible isn’t against those things” is kinda the same thing. In this instance, you may be an ally, but in some other topic you can be on the opposing end.

          The heart of the matter isn’t one of interpretation.

          It’s about seeing the bible as a rulebook, as a set of laws. That is the issue.

          Choosing to see it as a collection of stories instead, from which one can reflect on and come to one’s own moral values, that’s something I can appreciate.

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        We call people who don’t do what the Bible says Christians.

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        Yep, there’s a verse in Romans that shook me to my core as a church boy because Paul famous hater of women and gentiles, was saying that my priests and bishops were wrong and there were still good people out there literally separate (as we Christians see it at least) from God, and yet still reflecting that ineffable glory as an expression of themselves. Personally, though, those thoughts led me to Christian humanism and Humanitarianism as a movement at large which were also bad because of multi-cultural indoctrination lol. I think the organized church is just holding itself back from appreciating the fullness of creation and God by dragging its feet, ignoring that Christ never told us to condemn all things.

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            He did, but William Wilburforce still used the idealogical basis to start the western abandonment of the slave trade, the same way John Brown was inspired by liberation theology which galvanized his work as an abolitionist. Those are more the sources usually cited for the development of the ideology given you are indeed correct.

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              Lol really? The entire system of chattal slavery in the US was driven and justified with the Bible. They literally printed “slave Bibles” that had any reference to freedom removed.

              Without Christianity, it’s possible that the North Atlantic slave trade never would have become what it did (or if it had, the South probably wouldn’t have gone to war over it).

              I don’t know why people have this urge to add all the this extra baggage that comes with any religion, let alone an Abrahamic one, to morals and ethics that already exist in us without it. It’s just so unnecessary, and if anything, it hurts your cause.

              Just give it up man, it’s not real.

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                I agree that the church and our theology were also responsible for the industrial slave market from Africa, especially thanks to the Dutch and the French, and that the Bible and ministers drove the chattel system the world over shamefully to the faith.

                It’s also possible we wouldn’t have a faith if a thousand things hadn’t stacked “just so”.

                I stay because I have faith, I can’t prove it, and it’s worth absolutely nothing beyond keeping a knife off of my wrist and a shotgun out of my mouth but I maintain it due to my own spiritual experiences, and agreement generally with the gospels which led me away from the organized body of the church.

                Which leads me back to your last point, nothing is real, let alone organized structures of philosophy, culture, or religions made by Humanity. I probably would be just as devout if I’d been lucky in other ways, born to another faith because we’re all just sorting through ideas we didn’t come up with and welding them into shapes and forms that help us live our lives in ways pleasing to us. My only cause was trying to come into the community that I belong to and share that “Yes the church is full of shit” to others victimized by it in similar ways to myself, my apologies.

                That being said, I am sorry the way that I see things is a pain in your ass, it’s never fun when someone in your community disagrees with you after all. Have a lovely day.

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      The ones in society screaming about indoctrination the most these days are just projecting. They want to be doing the indoctrination and any risk to that is “indoctrination”.

      Universities? Indoctrination. Queer people existing? Indoctrination.

      Yikes

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    Only facts here.

    Seeing a man in a dress is so harmless it used to be mainstream children’s entertainment.

    I don’t know how Christians can’t see how much more regressive they’ve gotten in the past 30 years.

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    Why is it a big deal if parents don’t want their kids near drag queens?

    And why do drag queens want to be near kids?

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      Have you ever been to a kid centric drag show? They are a blast! There’s a lot of overlap with traditional clowning and kids love the silly Princesess and over the top characters. It’s also a safe way to show kids that gender presentation can be playful. A lot of drag queens who do kids shows love the wholesome vibes of dancing, reading to kids and being silly with little chaos munchkins just like any other performer who works with children. It’s the same reasons some folk become Clowns, Santa Clauses or Easter Bunnies.

      If you don’t want to bring kids to a drag act that is your choice. Walk on by. Nobody is forcing anyone to bring their kid to a drag act, quite frankly nobody wants a sourpuss in the audience…but the issue is that a lot of parents and religious people who “don’t want kids around drag queens” are taking that choice away from parents who want their kids to try that experience. They aren’t making that decision for their kids they are taking that experience away from everyone by making those events unsafe or cancelling them through interference.

      Nobody is throwing tantrums that some parents don’t want that experience for their kids. Nobody cares. It doesn’t impact them in the least if they just don’t participate. It’s like the same level of don’t care if you told them you are not going to a jazz festival or something. They might say "well you are missing out on a good time’ but it’s not like it really matters.

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        Yea, I don’t like that some parents try to force their beliefs on others. Or even their religion.

        And no, I have never been to one, but my cousin was flamboyant like that, and he was one my favorite cousins. Always cheered me up.

        Thanks for answering my question. I appreciate your perspective. And thank you for not jumping down my throat with a bunch of threats and hostilities lol

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      If parents don’t want their kids around drag shows that’s fine, don’t take their kids to drag shows. If they don’t want any kids at all to ever be exposed to drag performers then they need to mind their own damned business.

      Drag performers are entertainers, not sex workers, the performances run the gambit from burlesque down to just karaoke and show tunes, just because they aren’t strictly child entertainers and that some drag shows aren’t appropriate for children it doesn’t mean there is no such thing as child appropriate drag shows. People make adult oriented entertainment with puppets and cartoons, that doesn’t mean every form of entertainment involving puppets or cartoons is inappropriate for children. I remember going to one of those drag restaurants a few times as a kid where they do song performances and stay in character while they serve you and take your orders, it was a blast.

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      So they can normalize acceptance of drag queens when the human mind is at its most impressionable. If you’re going to influence a person’s worldview, childhood is the most effective time.

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      You know, it’s totally possible to like to be around kids and not be a pedophile.