Those kids might realize that there’s people out there who don’t do what the bible says - they crossdress, they’re gay, they don’t go to church, they don’t believe in god - and yet, they’re good people.
The Bible isn’t against any of those things. They chose to make their interpretation disagree with reality and now they have to constantly defend against reality.
Point is, it’s a hard life being dishonest. That’s why there’s a rule against lying in that book.
I think your heart is in the right place, but the perspective may be a bit off, or I misunderstood you.
Saying that “the Bible isn’t against those things” is kinda the same thing. In this instance, you may be an ally, but in some other topic you can be on the opposing end.
The heart of the matter isn’t one of interpretation.
It’s about seeing the bible as a rulebook, as a set of laws. That is the issue.
Choosing to see it as a collection of stories instead, from which one can reflect on and come to one’s own moral values, that’s something I can appreciate.
Yep, there’s a verse in Romans that shook me to my core as a church boy because Paul famous hater of women and gentiles, was saying that my priests and bishops were wrong and there were still good people out there literally separate (as we Christians see it at least) from God, and yet still reflecting that ineffable glory as an expression of themselves. Personally, though, those thoughts led me to Christian humanism and Humanitarianism as a movement at large which were also bad because of multi-cultural indoctrination lol. I think the organized church is just holding itself back from appreciating the fullness of creation and God by dragging its feet, ignoring that Christ never told us to condemn all things.
He did, but William Wilburforce still used the idealogical basis to start the western abandonment of the slave trade, the same way John Brown was inspired by liberation theology which galvanized his work as an abolitionist. Those are more the sources usually cited for the development of the ideology given you are indeed correct.
Lol really? The entire system of chattal slavery in the US was driven and justified with the Bible. They literally printed “slave Bibles” that had any reference to freedom removed.
Without Christianity, it’s possible that the North Atlantic slave trade never would have become what it did (or if it had, the South probably wouldn’t have gone to war over it).
I don’t know why people have this urge to add all the this extra baggage that comes with any religion, let alone an Abrahamic one, to morals and ethics that already exist in us without it. It’s just so unnecessary, and if anything, it hurts your cause.
I agree that the church and our theology were also responsible for the industrial slave market from Africa, especially thanks to the Dutch and the French, and that the Bible and ministers drove the chattel system the world over shamefully to the faith.
It’s also possible we wouldn’t have a faith if a thousand things hadn’t stacked “just so”.
I stay because I have faith, I can’t prove it, and it’s worth absolutely nothing beyond keeping a knife off of my wrist and a shotgun out of my mouth but I maintain it due to my own spiritual experiences, and agreement generally with the gospels which led me away from the organized body of the church.
Which leads me back to your last point, nothing is real, let alone organized structures of philosophy, culture, or religions made by Humanity. I probably would be just as devout if I’d been lucky in other ways, born to another faith because we’re all just sorting through ideas we didn’t come up with and welding them into shapes and forms that help us live our lives in ways pleasing to us. My only cause was trying to come into the community that I belong to and share that “Yes the church is full of shit” to others victimized by it in similar ways to myself, my apologies.
That being said, I am sorry the way that I see things is a pain in your ass, it’s never fun when someone in your community disagrees with you after all. Have a lovely day.
This.
Those kids might realize that there’s people out there who don’t do what the bible says - they crossdress, they’re gay, they don’t go to church, they don’t believe in god - and yet, they’re good people.
This unlocked a memory for me.
When I finally saw out and proud queer people, I was fascinated. So many were nice and they were happy. I wanted to go with them!
My dad would always be fuming. “Those people flaunting their disgusting lifestyle.”
Lmfao, the same reaction came from my dad, then we got gay church brothers and his head practically exploded.
The Bible isn’t against any of those things. They chose to make their interpretation disagree with reality and now they have to constantly defend against reality.
Point is, it’s a hard life being dishonest. That’s why there’s a rule against lying in that book.
I think your heart is in the right place, but the perspective may be a bit off, or I misunderstood you.
Saying that “the Bible isn’t against those things” is kinda the same thing. In this instance, you may be an ally, but in some other topic you can be on the opposing end.
The heart of the matter isn’t one of interpretation.
It’s about seeing the bible as a rulebook, as a set of laws. That is the issue.
Choosing to see it as a collection of stories instead, from which one can reflect on and come to one’s own moral values, that’s something I can appreciate.
We call people who don’t do what the Bible says Christians.
Yep, there’s a verse in Romans that shook me to my core as a church boy because Paul famous hater of women and gentiles, was saying that my priests and bishops were wrong and there were still good people out there literally separate (as we Christians see it at least) from God, and yet still reflecting that ineffable glory as an expression of themselves. Personally, though, those thoughts led me to Christian humanism and Humanitarianism as a movement at large which were also bad because of multi-cultural indoctrination lol. I think the organized church is just holding itself back from appreciating the fullness of creation and God by dragging its feet, ignoring that Christ never told us to condemn all things.
Oxymoron.
Jesus condoned slavery.
He did, but William Wilburforce still used the idealogical basis to start the western abandonment of the slave trade, the same way John Brown was inspired by liberation theology which galvanized his work as an abolitionist. Those are more the sources usually cited for the development of the ideology given you are indeed correct.
Lol really? The entire system of chattal slavery in the US was driven and justified with the Bible. They literally printed “slave Bibles” that had any reference to freedom removed.
Without Christianity, it’s possible that the North Atlantic slave trade never would have become what it did (or if it had, the South probably wouldn’t have gone to war over it).
I don’t know why people have this urge to add all the this extra baggage that comes with any religion, let alone an Abrahamic one, to morals and ethics that already exist in us without it. It’s just so unnecessary, and if anything, it hurts your cause.
Just give it up man, it’s not real.
I agree that the church and our theology were also responsible for the industrial slave market from Africa, especially thanks to the Dutch and the French, and that the Bible and ministers drove the chattel system the world over shamefully to the faith.
It’s also possible we wouldn’t have a faith if a thousand things hadn’t stacked “just so”.
I stay because I have faith, I can’t prove it, and it’s worth absolutely nothing beyond keeping a knife off of my wrist and a shotgun out of my mouth but I maintain it due to my own spiritual experiences, and agreement generally with the gospels which led me away from the organized body of the church.
Which leads me back to your last point, nothing is real, let alone organized structures of philosophy, culture, or religions made by Humanity. I probably would be just as devout if I’d been lucky in other ways, born to another faith because we’re all just sorting through ideas we didn’t come up with and welding them into shapes and forms that help us live our lives in ways pleasing to us. My only cause was trying to come into the community that I belong to and share that “Yes the church is full of shit” to others victimized by it in similar ways to myself, my apologies.
That being said, I am sorry the way that I see things is a pain in your ass, it’s never fun when someone in your community disagrees with you after all. Have a lovely day.