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Smarttube
Well, it’s not that difficult to cancel a subscription…
Don’t give them any ideas
Soon they’ll just tap into your partner and make them speak ads throughout the day.
You may want to watch the newest season of Black Mirror
Coming Soon: A free Netflix offering will be AI-created drivel that is basically 30 ads jammed together into some incoherent plot.
/s but not really
–cut to living room–
Stephen: Hey guys I’m going to the kitchen anyone need anything?Rachel: I’ll take a diet coke, in a glass with ice.
Stevie: Ohh that sounds refreshing
Greg: I’ll take a fanta, glass, ice
Stephen: Orange or that new vanilla cherry flavor?
Greg: Ohh you have that, I though it was sold out everywhere! Yes PLEASE!
–cut to kitchen–
- stephen gets 4 frost glasses from the freezer places perfect icecubes to just above the rim and starts to fill each glass.
–cut to glasses, close microphone on the scene–
- the coke products fizz into the glasses magically creating just enough head as the ice clinks down into the glass. You head an almost subliminal sigh of pleasure plays just barely in the white noise of the carbonation.
–cut to living room–
- stephen walks in with a tray of glasses stephen: ohh I forgot mine!
*replays the scene again with a vanilla coke and he puts a sprig of mind on the glass.
I will personally rally an economic war against ALL for-profits!
It’s the way of all subscription based entertainment. To increase profit eventually the choice comes down higher subscription fees or introduce ads.
And once ads are there, it’s a one-way street. Until adpocalypse.
If it’s in your systems in an open format it’s yours, if it’s outside your systems or wrapped in some kind of locked format that forces you to go through somebody else’s software it’s de facto theirs.
Due to my own experience in software development with 3rd party solutions from way back, I never adhered to Streaming solutions (even though I was tempted) and always stuck to getting my entertainment in a media format I controlled (legitimately for a long as I could, not so much once even physical media started having DRM) because I was aware that it’s risky to outsource so much control over one aspect of what you do (in this case entertainment) to an entity which, frankly, sees you as nothing else that microscopic fraction of their bottomline.
(The funny bit is that if Netflix would sell me their Series in an open file format that I could download and at a reasonable price, I would have sent lots of money their way, same as I spent lots of money on DVDs and even VHS tapes back in the day. In fact all throughout that period I was doing something like that for games: as soon as I discovered GOG with their DRM-free downloadable installers, I started acquiring all my games by buying them from GOG)
In the fullness of time, my caution seems to have been proven right.
Pirate Everything at This Point
Way ahead of you.
I pay for an emby share personally.
Plex/emby/jellyfin, there are a ton of paid shares out there that are cheap.
I pay for an emby share personally.
I read this as “enby share” and thought, “Is that like a queer polyamorous social group? If so, I want in.”
(BTW I use emby share to pirate too, so no need to explain. My brain just expects the word “enby” first.)
Do I misunderstand emby or does it just not seem like a good deal on the basis of it being an ongoing subscription? I use the free version of emby and it’s really great. There was at least one feature that required payment to unlock. I like emby already and when I tried using jellyfin, the core features that were on both it and the free version of emby worked far less reliably and the paid feature on emby that was free on Jellyfin, worked extremely unreliably. Obviously resources and development had been spent to make something that worked very well and their paid feature probably would too. I use emby to make it easier to cast media locally to my chromecast and to access media on my computer, from my phone in my bedroom, so for me, it’s a fancy file browser and media player. The feature I wanted was to do with free to air tv streaming and I was thinking I’d be happy to pay for the Emby software to unlock this since they made good software that works. But here’s the thing, it’s FREE to air TV and yet they want me to pay, ongoing, in a perpetual arrangement to use it. I don’t get it. I use it to play media, but the media is my media stored on my machines. I understand software development isn’t free, I was happy to pay ONCE, but why would I keep paying when they don’t actually produce the media I use it to play? That seemed unjustifiable.
Now with paragraphs.
Do I misunderstand emby or does it just not seem like a good deal on the basis of it being an ongoing subscription?
I use the free version of emby and it’s really great. There was at least one feature that required payment to unlock.
I like emby already and when I tried using jellyfin, the core features that were on both it and the free version of emby worked far less reliably and the paid feature on emby that was free on Jellyfin, worked extremely unreliably.
Obviously resources and development had been spent to make something that worked very well and their paid feature probably would too.
I use emby to make it easier to cast media locally to my chromecast and to access media on my computer, from my phone in my bedroom, so for me, it’s a fancy file browser and media player.
The feature I wanted was to do with free to air tv streaming and I was thinking I’d be happy to pay for the Emby software to unlock this since they made good software that works. But here’s the thing, it’s FREE to air TV and yet they want me to pay, ongoing, in a perpetual arrangement to use it. I don’t get it.
I use it to play media, but the media is my media stored on my machines. I understand software development isn’t free, I was happy to pay ONCE, but why would I keep paying when they don’t actually produce the media I use it to play? That seemed unjustifiable.
If you were going to pay, the one-time $119 sub is the only thing that makes sense.
Historically, I’ve never been sad about a lifetime software purchase. That said, none of them continued to work unchanged for a lifetime, but I’ve always felt I’ve gotten my money out of them.
In the end, everyone eventually enshitifies their product to make more money.
Playon stopped supporting their old model which just stopped working slowly over the following year as streaming companies changed their tech, while their “new product” which only had monthly fees kept working. I used it for enough years it ended up being something like $2 a month.
Plex nixed their plugins, then screwed over their offline viewing and offline sharing, then their watch together. My original lifetime was somewhere around $70 and I’ve used them for 15 years, that’s $4.60 a year :)
Aliexpress summer sale started. Getting a 150 eur ryzen mini pc and slapping some hdds onto it for a cheap media server/nas with 4 digit nas specs.
That’s pretty much the self-made home media system I’ve upgraded to some months ago, only mine has an N100 CPU (which is nicer from a power consumption point of view for an always on system since its TDP is 15W).
It’s wired to my TV, running Kodi on the foreground, runs qBittrorrent on the background over an always on VPN and serves as my home NAS.
From Aliexpress I got a wireless remote that let’s me control Kodi as if it was a TV box, so from my sofa I handle it as a TV box whilst from my PC I can ssh to it and to any computer kind of management.
Probably one of my best purchases ever.
This seems like it could be a fun project. Mind making a post about the build sometime?
So far it’s; genmachine 5500u pc barebones, will get random ram and steam decks 256gb ssd, fedora server and some rabdom twin drive hdd enclosure with used 4tb disks to start with. 8gb of ram should be plenty as going 16gb ddr4 to 32gb ddr5 made no difference at all on my main gaming/dev/3d rig.
Total cost: 158 for mini pc, twin drive enclosure 60, 4tb drives: 50 eur each, ram 15 eur or around entry level twin drive nas price.
Id if there’s any build thread to post about “i shoved an external drive up the ass of a chinese mini pc and labelled it homelab”
Honestly, those are the most interesting builds to me. As an American, I’m waiting for tariffs to die before buying stuff of AliExpress, but one can hope.
That’s weird, which is cool.
Depending on how much space you want the HDDs will probablybe the biggest cost
Already doing it
Stremio is everything I could ever want and more.
I used Stremio for a while and then I discovered it doesn’t seed and it is just a leech. Since then we have a Jellyfin server at home and we are able to watch everything in 4K without having to worry if the movie will play smoothly.
If I could, I would stop seeding to all the Stremio clients out there. Whenever someone brings up the seed issue most of the people say they don’t care.
Well, hopefully people will install the plugin, right?
Most won’t but that’s just reality.
My only criticism is that they have the big bang theory as the main thing shown right when you go to the website. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a few people just left as soon as they saw that.
Why would that be an issue? It’s a tv show like any other one.
Is this how everyone used to say “use plex. It’s easy!” But plex was actually a piece of crap that most people couldn’t run properly?
No it’s like Netflix for torrents /real Debrid and really very simple to set up.
Download stremio.
Optionally pay for a Debrid service such as real Debrid (this will basically give you a smoother experience for a couple dollars a month)
Search torrentio
Choose the options (very self explanatory) and install the addon.
You’re literally done. Start playing any show/movie you like. It’ll work.
Plex is a solid meh/10 back end wise, provided you have the knowledge to run the docker container it’s not that bad.
Running it standalone is potentially effort.
My main issue with plex is it’s transition into enshittification as a service.
Stremio is great.
I love Stremio it is so simple to use and relatively easy to set up, I like the set it and forget it format it has (and your settings and setup are synced across all the devices you like).
With that said, geek me can’t leave aside Kodi for good, I have a Nvidia Shield TV Pro 2019 and that is where I use it, even when the setup I’ve for it is somewhat heavy (it makes my Shield struggle sometimes) I love thinkering with it, because… there is fun thinkering right?
My gf does Stremio almost always though.
I love it, but I wish there was a way to still seed while using it.
When using Stremio you are seeding. There’s a cache size that holds a specific size that you will be uploading back. As long as Stremio is running in the background you will be seeding.
While using Stremio alone without a debrid service?
I think you do… perhaps not in the healthiest way, but it is something.
Yep, link it with real debrid As you are, sailing the seas in style… Great UI. Evan has a calendar to keep track of your series.
I am an old pirate and I cringe when people bash debrid services for their pirate pride, honestly it is a life changer if you are willing to switch to fully stream (I still seed the content I gather with the Arr stack for my Plex).
It just seems silly to be like “I’m not going to pay for streaming, so I’m going to pirate” and then paying someone to do the piracy for you.
Isn’t the problem that legal streaming services don’t provide a good enough service/content? Even if you put the cash out to subscribe to all services, searching each one, one at a time, they still might not have the video content you want. The market failed us, and culture is locked away.
It’s basically a seedbox, people have been using those for piracy for years. It’s a convenient way to have access to an Internet connection that has several times more throughput than your home connection. You can configure Stremio to just grab torrents directly if you don’t want to use a debrid service.
Trakt too 🫡
Yeah… Trakt also started in the enshitification path though (for some it has been there for a while).
idk its free and it lets me subscribe to lists so I can find stuff easily. Until they break that I won’t notice.
Question, what even is a “Generative AI ad”?
Is the lead actress of the horror movie I’m watching look into the camera and tell me about the new coca-cola while she waits for the monster to come get her?
Maybe AI just manipulates the shows you’re watching so that the drink they have is branded or the cars on the road all seem to be Kias…
Oh like that one episode of The Boys
Way ahead of you, Mr. Rossmann.
I totally get the anger with Netflix. I fucking hate them as a filmmaker. But I really don’t think a long term solution is pirating content.
BUY CONTENT YOU LIKE
Is it more expensive? Of course it is, that’s part of an equitable society. Also it means you end up with content you really like and not a bunch of junk.
It’s made intentionally hard though. Try buying The Expanse Blu Ray collection for example. Season 4 literally only comes region A locked, and is not playable on non modified Blu-ray players if you’re in the EU. I was excited to buy it after getting a decent Blu-ray player so I could rewatch it with my partner who hasn’t seen it, but something dumb like that does put a damper on things, so we haven’t even bothered with it, despite downloading it.
Vote with your wallet? This has never ended Google, Apple or Microsoft. These capitalist fantasies never work in the real world 🤣🤣
Pirracy is a service issue. People gladly pay when it’s not a shitty experience.
If there was a Bandcamp for film and TV, then I would buy stuff there. DRM free.
But until then…
Which works for some content, but a lot of childrens content is only available through subscriptions to Netflix/Disney+/Max.
I was. Until they made that so difficult and time consuming that the barrier to entry was too high. Not because of the price. But because of availability. When Google play music was a thing? I bought music. When streaming took over I moved to Bandcamp. But Bandcamp doesn’t have everything. There’s no music stores anymore where I can just go and buy music. It’s all Amazon and similar.
I’d love to own the ghibli collection. But to get it I have to buy the DVD’s (and have a DVD player to play them on), or I have to pirate them. No digital store front seems to have the whole collection. This happens all the time with media that I’m willing to pay for.
I pay for the streaming services, but don’t stream. Maybe this is me trying to justify “theft”, but how I like to think about it is this: I pay for the streaming services. I have the technical know-how to either download directly or rip (screen record) any shows I want from any of the popular services, as well as to write the scripts myself to roughly automate this. I also have spare computers to do this 24/7. However, it’s actually better for the streaming service that I don’t do this myself, since they still get my money without me using the bandwidth. I pay for AMC Stubs A-list but don’t often see the movies in theaters, so I don’t feel bad pirating new releases. As for movies/shows not on streaming services, I could buy used dvd/blurays, rip them myself, then sell them back, but that would ultimately result in a near-net-zero cost anyway, so what’s the point of going through all that? In my mind, as long as I’m paying for these subscriptions pirating feels like it’s no longer an ethical/moral gray area.
Note that I only do this because I can afford to. When I was younger, I would pirate everything without worrying because if I couldn’t afford to pay the streaming service, they didn’t lose a potential customer if I pirated anyway. Now that I am better off and would definitely be paying for these subscriptions, I might as well, but still get to own the content I’m paying for. 120TB and counting!
Along with bandcamp, there’s Qobuz, 7digital, and HDTracks that I can recommend for digital music downloads. Those other three often have what bandcamp does not, much more common songs. Many in 24-bit.
Man. Google play music. Fucking miss that service.
Found so much good music… Still hurts me it died.
Me too boss
Buy the dvds and rip them…
Most companies stopped making both the discs and the drives/players. Not a long term strategy.
Yeah, just buy yourself a dvd/blu-ray player just to rip it, wait for the disk to arrive, connect it to your computer and set aside the time to rip it (if you even know how).
Such a reasonable alternative to setting up radarr one time and watching the movie immediately. Can’t have a digital storefront where I get to own my digital copy.
That is extremely inconvenient and jist feels wrong. There’s no reason a digital file has to be tied to an inconvenient, small-volume media.
Pretty sure all of Studio Gihibli is on Fandango/Vudu.
Looks like from a cursory search only 12 of them available of about 22.
So… buy the DVDs? Or any other Ghibli merch.
I’d love to know what you do when you can’t find a DVD still in print? Media companies like Disney and Paramount etc have been deliberately limiting the number of DVD’s and other physical formats available, putting whole movies and series “in the vault” for the purposes of manufacturing scarcity. Piracy is largely a matter of economic affordability and ease of access. I can pirate. The point is when I had these titles available to buy, I bought media rather than pirate it. I preferred to. And when it’s not easily available or locked to specific services I’m boycotting etc there’s few avenues left. I can appreciate that you were trying to give me a legal avenue to obtain what I want, but I feel like you missed the forest for the trees here.
I mean, if they really don’t want your money…
Like I said, other merch. Or mail them a check if you really really want to send them money.
I’ll buy music directly from artists on bandcamp and such, especially since they offer unlimited DRM-free FLAC downloads, but any other media at this point is just absurdly inconvenient. Everything’s just tied to dogshit streaming platforms.
If there were a DRM-free option to buy and download movies or shows for life, I’d definitely be buying what I can here and there. But everything is so locked down or encumbered with other bullshit that it’s not a viable option.
buying physical media and ripping yourself is the only viable option but it’s so inconvenient
Nah fuck that. Ignore this guy, everyone pirate everything until they fix it again.
People don’t pirate music, guess why?
To some extent you’re right. There’d be less content if nobody paid. But imagine current society without treats. I don’t know if capitalism without “panem et circenses” would start to crumble real fast.
I buy vinyl and buy flac music from artists I like.
But if your digital content isnt available in my region imma pirate it and assume the racist fucks have enough money.
If the argument is talk with money then giving them 0 and taking from them is the strongest argument you can have morally speaking. Piracy is more convient regardless.
Lol yea that’s definitely getting demonitized. Somebody please download/archive it.
Wrong community?
Only if you don’t watch the video where it’s discussed how these AI ads would work and the implication on privacy.
Fair enough question. I don’t think it deserves the downvotes - the answer is informative.
Advertising isn’t the problem. And before I get my balls cut off, I’ll back away slowly while explaining myself…
We’ve always paid for ads. Back in the old days you paid for a cable subscription and got to watch ads every 15 minutes. That’s not a new phenomenon. Hell, television was designed around the advertising break. The entire one hour series 5 part script model was created with the “cut to ad break” in mind. You think about your CSI:Miami “sunglasses of justice” stinger, or your fourth ad-break plot-twist as the Romulan war bird uncloaks and the music dun-dun-duns into a commercial for cheese-its…
That’s not a problem in and of itself. In fact I kind of miss it when shows were written that way. Heck, Tubi and Pluto TV do it and no one complains about that. And if Netflix wants to add those back into their free tier, more power to 'em.
But advertising is not about getting served a few commercials every fifteen minutes anymore. It’s literally in front of the content, within the content, etc… It’s not about “hey look, it’s an ad break, let’s go refill our 7-up and take a piss”, it’s inlaid with the content, as well as taking up as much, if not MORE time than the actual content itself. and THAT’S part one of the problem.
Part two is the fact that if you’re going to make more money by making me pay for your service AND watch advertisements, you better damn well be giving at least some of that new money to other creatives that are MAKING those advertisements. Make a commercial with actors and actresses; pay them. Hire a writer to create ad-copy, just like we used to do. But if you’re going to charge me AND make me watch lazy shit you made with A.I. slop, than THAT is where I’ll happily take my ship and head onto the high seas.
I’d be perfectly happy to sit through two or three traditional advertisements every fifteen minutes just like we did in the old days. But what I WON’T stand for is watching five minutes of lazy A.I. ads after every five minutes of actual content and be expected to PAY for the service on top of that.
Back in the old days you paid for a cable subscription and got to watch ads every 15 minutes
Oh, hell no. We had HBO my entire teen years, and that was the huge difference between cable and broadcast - there were no commercials on HBO.
I never had cable as an adult; I didn’t like being beholden to someone else’s tastes and show times, so we just rented videos: Blockbuster, or more often the locally owned rental place - they had weirder stuff.
When Cable became “infinite channels,” they did start showing ads, but that wasn’t paying for content: that was paying for delivery. It was supersized broadcast TV. To emphasize this, packages cost extra, and those special, extra channels (HBO, etc) didn’t have commercials. The basic package was just extra broadcast TV.
Netflix is more analogous to HBO than cable. Supporting this is their original operating model: a subscription fee that got you DVDs mailed to your house. Just like a subscription fee to Blockbuster that got you a certain number of rentals per month.
Don’t try to normalize it by claiming “it’s always been this way,” because it hasn’t.
television was designed around the advertising break
Television was free. Netflix was originally movies. Movies don’t have ads (not specific, non-story related ones, anyway; they’ve always had product placement). It’s been only relatively recently that Netflix has gotten into the episodic game, which is even less justification for ad breaks, because episodes are shorter than movies. Which have no ads.
You’re entitled to pay for what you like and be happy with it, buy fuck if I’m going to pay someone to watch their ads. If I was a TV watcher, I’d pay for choice - a thousand channels, with ad-ridden content. I draw the line at going to a movie theater, paying for a ticket, and then having the movie interrupted with ads, which is what this is equivalent to. You can always skip the ones up front with timing, and fuck those ads too.
Just because something always used to be some way doesn’t mean it’s automatically acceptable.
TV might have been designed for the ad break but what if it wasn’t? You give Star Trek as an example, and here in the UK growing up I watched TNG episodes on BBC2, which is a tax-funded station without adverts. Did the lack of adverts make my childhood TNG experience worse? Personally I’d say it made it better.
Even in the cable TV age, to have adverts in something you are paying for is still horrible, and to me it’s unacceptable.
I will do everything in my power to not expose my brain to a barrage of advertising, and that includes not using any service where I have to subject myself to it.
Totally agree.
Broadcast TV shows where designed with advertising in mind because it was the only way to monetize it at the time (except for tax-funded of course).
When cable TV started, one of their selling points was that it didn’t have ads, at least on the “cable-native” channels.
But after a while, they started putting ads everywhere, and that of course lead to the shitty experience that made a lot of people “cut the wire” when streaming services started.I’m wondering what’s the next thing that will replace streaming, and eventually repeat the cycle.
Every major shift in how media is consumed has always come because of evolutions in the technology used to deliver it - going from just a few broadcast channels, to cable, to “on demand” cable and satellite, and finally to Internet delivery.
And it’s just really hard to imagine what delivery technology could provide any new capability beyond the always-on, bidirectional, high capacity data stream in your pocket that is the Internet we now have.
With streaming we’ve already achieved what should in theory be the best way to watch - and with the studios all having their own streaming platform now, there’s not even any middleman to undercut anymore, like there was when the cable companies were cut out by Netflix at the dawn of streaming. This is endgame.
The only thing left now is enshittification.
The one thing that could save us from this fate is if new programs and content are produced that are competitive in quality with what the current giants are putting out, giving people other places to go and forcing competition.
This is what we’ve already seen with indie studios and single developers disrupting the games industry, and perhaps with ever more achievable 3D animation, AI and other accessible production techniques we’ll start seeing this disrupt the film and TV industry too.
Good point about the indie studios. I mostly play indie games, there’s rarely any AAA game that is worth the price.
Seems like the way to go, support services that stream independent media and stop supporting the enshittified ones.
Also, I don’t know how it was in other countries, but I remember that pay-tv services in Italy didn’t have ads during programs and films, but only between the programs. It was a way better experience.
This person seems to think that CSI Miami pioneered the format. So of course it easy to find examples of them being wrong. CSI Miami wasn’t even the first CSI. So I am sure they can’t remember that premium cable channels that don’t have commercials exist. Let alone that public broadcasting doesn’t have commercials.
This point doesnt really make sense when you consider that there are TV channels that don’t have ads like any of the BBC channels, PBS and even Disney Channel. They are channels that only promote their own other shows but for the most part don’t have ads in between the shows.
I think your argument is so contrary to the ad-free reality I experience every day, I don’t think there’s any point of counter argue you as we will probably never find a common ground to debate our differing viewpoints on.
There are no ads on the CD I bought from the merch table at a concert last week.
What old age are you talking about? Television was not invented in the 2000’s.
And if you don’t like ads, then that is the problem.
Regardless, Netflix has historically been delivered without ads which many seem to like. You do you, take a break and watch some ads every 20 minutes, but I won’t, and will especially not pay to do it.
