I shamefully admit I almost pulled the trigger on a Tesla Model S Plaid back in 2021 or 2022. Flush with a shit ton of cash, but fortunately I was reading reports of production build quality issues, many recalls, and ultimately pulled back my deposit.
Looking back at it. The one decision I have no regrets on.
Elon is getting slapped by the invisible hand.
fun fact: the people who originally coined the phrase ‘invisible hand of the market’ called it ‘the invisible hand of providence’ which basically means ‘gods inscrutable will’. capitalism-at least market capitalism-is literally a religion.
and its god is smiting his favorite special boy. so sad.
I think this hand ain’t invisible. Well at least one finger isn’t.
Yeap. Too late to sell now.
spacex and starlink need to be the next to go.
Space X should be nationalized
It should be a part of NASA
We did pay for it.
We’re still giving Elon $80 million a day.
im in favor of any company these fuckers were on the board of or were allowed to hold substantial shares of being nationalized as punishment, if we don’t end up with some form of communism or blasted wastelands after all this. The capital class needs to be shown consequences, and if we don’t get guillotines, they need to at least be forced to watch us sautee their balls.
The brand is forever damaged. Sell while you can.
I feel bad for Nikola Tesla having his name associated with all this nonsense. Not even death let him escape from rich assholes taking credit for the work of others.
if Nikola Tesla weren’t a eugenicist i’d agree with you
it was the turn of the 20th century; everybody was a eugenicist. that’s why we say ‘people from the past sucked’.
His legacy can live on with Dr Parkinstein. (Parker Edmonson)
I’m so glad that I lost my job in 2016 and had to cancel my Tesla Model 3 reservation. When I eventually got a better paying job in 2017 I played it safe -assumed I could lose it at any moment- and bought a Chevrolet Spark which has served me well.
Who is buying all these Teslas that Tesla owners are all selling because nobody wants a Tesla?
Nobody which is why the used market on them is crashing.
They are called “people”
Amazing
Carvana bought mine at a decent price. I imagine the coming glut will have them refusing to buy Teslas outright. Other enraged Tesla owners should unload theirs asap.
Good on you for having principles. Unfortunately a lot of Tesla owners are limp dicked piss baby champagne socialists who’d rather just put a 5 dollar sticker on their bumper instead of selling it.
Yup, They are also rich privileged extremists that were fine supporting a madman until shit hit the fan
Not everyone is the position to sell their car, especially at huge finacial loss. So they buy the stupid sticker to make them selves feel a little better.
Many bought the thing 5+ years ago when Tesla was basically the only electric with a real charging network and in a time before Musk went from eccentric billionaire to an out-of-the-closet Nazi.
Now anyone buying one new today, that’s a different story (Which makes it harder to sell the damn thing).
Why the fuck are you defending this shit?
Also I am tired of hearing about how Musk only recently went insane, dude has been off the rails for as long as I can remember.
Eccentric billionaire? My ass dude, he was an asshole and insane always for anyone paying at least a little bit of attention.
It just finally caught up to him and now everyone wants to cry wolf that has been supporting him? Fuck off.
With as strong and emotional you seem to feel about this topic, I sincerely hope you have never used an iPhone, used Facebook, bought a product off Amazon, taken an Uber ride, or consumed any Nestle products.
If you’ve eaten a single hot pocket, you have no ground to stand on here.
Yeah emotions against a Nazi is so crazy! Get fucking real
What do you want to have happen? The car exists and is in an owner’s hands already. Elon doesn’t make any more money no matter if they sell it or not. It’s environmental waste to simply scrap it. What are the options, here?
I dont give af what happens. Defending people buying a car made by a Nazi madman is simply pathetic.
I didn’t think they were defending it. The reality is some people live in a bubble and don’t pay close attention to the media, and switching cars is not exactly an easy thing to do without getting fucked over.
Many people are upside down on their car note, and when you trade in with negative equity on a car loan, that negative equity gets added to the new loan balance. It’s kind of a big deal for the average person.
Switching cars isnt easy but buying an expensive one made by a madman is?
You mean the car they have been paying down on? That’s less expensive
Buying a Tesla made by a Nazi is one of the most expensive and dumbest things you could ever do.
I had Tesla sales reps at my WeWork office one week back in like 2019 iirc. They had a very aggressive sales campaign for a while at least. One even offered to have me test drive a Model 3 right their in the parking garage, which I declined.
So yes, they were making it very easy. Have you ever had car salesman show up at your office?
Many bought the thing 5+ years ago when Tesla was basically the only electric with a real charging network…
Until relatively recently, if you were an American who wanted to buy an electric car and wanted to guarantee you wouldn’t be stranded somewhere with a dead battery, Tesla was literally the only option.
I had all of those things and didnt buy one as many others. Crazy that when you buy a car from a nazi lunatic things dont work out
What are you talking about? Most Tesla owners are progressives. This whole thing is a gut punch to Tesla owners.
Lol, a lot of rich people are rich assholes, that’s nothing new. Think Bezos is saint, how about that one CEO who made people go to work during a flood, did you like Brain Thompson, Ulf Mark Schneider - do you even know who that is?or back in the day when they used to lock workers in the factory or shove children in the mines.
The rich have always been assholes, Musk is just more public about it. 5 years ago, he was just another rich owner of a company. The company made something good, so people bought it in support of the product not specifically the owner and his values, just like every time someone buys a nestle product.
Your argument that 5 years ago he was just another rich person is utter bullshit. I remember him a decade ago being legit insane.
Again, everyone just wants to cry wolf now that has been supporting him
You’re out of touch, my man. 90% of the population aren’t paying attention to what rich people are saying and doing. Pretending that everyone that bought a Tesla 5+ years ago knew that he was an insane asshole all along and are now feigning ignorance of that fact to save face doesn’t make it reality. But whatever, keep getting worked up over something that doesn’t really matter at present.
That’s nice not everyone payed that close attention, they got sold a car and are now stuck with a shitty reputation by association. Some people are afraid to drive their car because they’ll get harassed by people who can only see telsa driver = musk supporter.
You could blame the buyers for their ignorance, but its pretty normal to have no clue who the CEO/owner is of whatever car brand you buy. How many can name 1 beside Musk or Henry Ford?
“huge financial loss”
So why do these people buy these expensive cars they can’t afford in the first place?
Surely they would’ve made a good financial decision and bought a used Toyota at a fraction of the price if their finances weren’t in order?
Well, being financially stupid doesn’t mean you’re also a “limp dicked piss baby champagne socialist.”
It don’t matter how they got the car. They could have saved up for years, have been cutting costs elsewhere in life, or just have a well paying job; buying a car at 40k+ and selling it for 20k, especially if they still have 30k left on the loan is a dumb move even for the financially illiterate.
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Some people reallying don’t understand arp. Also staus symbol and they could have brought it realozed they are underwater on the loan and are stuck with it.
The customer service part… 😂
Excellent work by someone there. I love the customer service agent with the ski mask (who can barely keep a straight face) lol
Please be real.
It really is a website that can be linked to!
So is The Onion.
Nice idea, but what if I want my tesla set on fire instead?
Pour a bucket of water on it
Well then you’re in luck because that might already be a feature of the model you have!
I have one that’s nearly 7 years old, fully paid for and still works well. I hate having to own any car and environmentally, the best car is the one you already have. Getting an equivalent car at a reduced trade-in price would cost 20k and I would do it on principle if I could afford to.
BMW and Mercedes both supported Nazi’s during the holocaust and I believe they should receive the same treatment but it’s been the better part of a century and they’re still here. I’d go so far as to argue that cars are just consumerized war vehicles that a civil society has limited use for given the potential benefits of mass transit.
Oil companies bribed and lobbied against clean, efficient, exciting transit decades ago and were all poorer for it.
How is it in any way relevant what German car makers were doing 80+ years ago? Unless you also think all modern-day Germans should be “cancelled”.
Apart from that I agree, the American car lobby has been terrible for public transport development and green energy
Because they and many other modern car companies supported nazi genocide and fascism for money that I don’t think it’s a coincidence we’re seeing the same with Tesla. Time doesn’t change the past.
Unless it’s the same people in charge of the company as it was in 1941 then it doesn’t matter. Everyone knows that many German companies have a terrible past, but they’ve long since taken a clear stance against it. There is literally no correlation between these German car brands and Tesla. It matters what they do today (and possibly the recent past).
If you want to boycott things over the distant past you literally couldn’t use anything.
Tesla deserves this because of Elon’s current actions. If he steps or gets removed and Tesla continues to operate with a different philosophy there should be no issue with them in, say, 15 years.
I disagree on it mattering, and there are plenty of correlations including executives with histories across the auto industry. These companies aren’t as nimble or efficient as their branding suggests - they’ve operated with the same tactics for decades and the holocaust was not that long ago. Id argue the only thing that’s changed is corporate rebranding & propaganda because a new image was profitable, not because they magically became altruistic. Companies that escaped their problematic moments should not have escaped them - the fact that they did is itself problematic. ‘I’m sorry’ is not payment enough for profiteering off of genocide in my opinion. Well aware of how many companies are problematic, I just think we can do better.
Focusing on Elon for his actions right now is a great step and focus area tho!
I agree that public transport could be much better. But there are a lot of people that don’t live in a city and no amount of public transport is going to reach everywhere. There still needs to be vehicles of some type. I wish more rural roads in this country had bike lanes
The difference between BMW and Mercedes, and Tesla right now is that BMW and Mercedes are not currently supporting a fascist. Germany went through decades of reform and reconciliation for its fascist choices. America, and particularly Tesla whose CEO is instigating and wholeheartedly supporting the early stages of the current political reshaping, is currently going one inch further into fascism every day.
I agree and it’s an important distinction but it’s also a big asterisk. Fascism is on the rise again in Germany (and many other places) call corporations have one value and it’s profit, they’ve proven over and over they don’t care about people. If fascism becomes profitable again what do you think they’ll do?
Also my comments are regarding auto corporations not Germany as a country.
White people are selling, Indians are buying. Every Indian neighbor I have owns at least one Tesla
It’s not just Indian. There’s an Ethiopian church down the street, every sunday our block is full of Teslas, two of them are cyber trucks. So weird.
I’m not sure there going to be able to give those things away.
Seems to me, at this point, this is a bit like owning anything with a swastika on it in 1946.
@juergen@feddit.org “Fuck Elon” is becoming the punch buggy of this generation.
Combine a toxic brand with a level of ridiculously poor Quality Control we haven’t seen from a US automaker since the Saturn brand, and you get a price point/distressd asset that PE will be looking at. They’ve already calculated the value of selling Tesla for parts and just waiting for the stock to hit a number to act. Elon is so over leveraged, there will be nothing he can do to stop it.
Ill give you $200 for the battery, the motor, and some chonky relays if you scrape the branding off.
I saw pics of someone that rebadged their model 3 I think it was with an Audi badge, and if you knew nothing about cars it looked believable.
I saw one with the Mazda logo that looks pretty good
I reckon the Mazda badge is a good call as the tesla 3 has the vibe of a Mazda I think.
I rmemeber rocking up to guys place to buy a sofa and his mum was there, I said I really liked her Hyundai Coupe and she said it wasn’t one as she’d got different badges on it. Found it so funny that it was a nice looking car at the time but she clearly couldn’t cope with the idea of owning a Hyundai
It’s hilarious
I was joking with some friends about doing exactly this. Schuck it down to just the battery and minimal drivetrain, and make a very heavy go-kart.
There are people who use tesla parts to make electric car conversions
I just looked up the motor, that’s a bit bigger than a living room coffee table project. I may regret my offer.
What are you gonna make?
Hopefully a better car.
I’ll be 100% honest, I don’t know but I like to think I would at least get the motor going for a little bit before it melts and stinks up the house. Just like most things i play around with.
Honestly? Might not be a bad idea to consider buying a used Tesla after they tank in value.
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No money goes to Elon in that exchange, so you’re not supporting the fascist prick. They made their money off the first buyer.
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It’s environmentally friendly to buy a used vehicle, rather than a new one, as you extend it’s life and reduce it’s carbon footprint
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Since everybody is abandoning them, they’re cheaper than other options.
My only reservation is that I’d be driving around a Tesla still, so if I did something like this I’d have to de-brand the hell out of it somehow to make it appear as a generic “an car”.
Your heart’s in the right place but this is bad advice.
Teslas are still wickedly expensive to repair and there’s only the dealership who can do those repairs.
And the parts break way too often, even parts that shouldn’t break ever, like the door handles that only Tesla can replace. The cost of that can apparently be over $1k. For a door handle.
It’d be a money pit after the warranty period runs out. You’re still going to be better off with a run of the mill beater car
Until Tesla allows other shops to do repairs, those swastikars will never be economical even if you ignore the Nazi part
Your point about buying used being better for the environment also applies to older gas powered cars too, which will be easier and cheaper to repair
there’s only the dealership who can do those repairs.
That’s illegal AF in the EU, or at least Germany. They already got into very hot water for trying to price independent repairs out by making their diagnostic software ludicrously expensive.
It’s actually illegal in some US states, too. Right to repair at the federal level is still being fought, iirc. There was a lot of progress being made around 2023, but got stalled. Hopefully the current oligarchy administration doesn’t end up butchering that movement, but I’m not very optimistic.
Must be nice not having business owners literally hanging out in the executive office all the time.
Oh they certainly do but the SME lobby tends to have more influence. Repair shops are businesses, too.
And it’s not always a good thing, e.g. when it comes to the Supply Chain Act the fat cat lobby was way more sane than the SME one: Nestle doesn’t mind monitoring its supply chain for human rights abuses it’s quite vertically integrated and the practice is a great defence against lawsuits and also getting fucked over / internal corruption while the SMEs are fearing bureaucracy and costs. It’s not like slave farm owners would share their ill-gotten profits with Nestle, they pocket the difference to standard market prices.
Obligatory fuck elon before I write the rest of the comment.
I have had a Tesla for 4 years now and as a car they are quite good (newer models got worse).
Super cheap to run, no oil, no filters other than cabin air, no yearly dealership maintenance to keep the warranty. And you charge it at home, super cheap and convenient. (yeah, same applies for any other electric car).
Repair costs (had a few fender benders) are comparable to my old BMW, maybe a bit lower. A door handle never broke on mine, but I just looked and found one on ebay for 15 EUR in case it breaks in the future. Can’t say it’s unreasonable. There’s simply less mechanical things to go wrong with the car, and over time the 3rd party shops can do almost everything, for a similar price to any other car. And if/when the battery ages (8 years warranty), you can still use it at home.
Fun to drive, too, and quite efficient, more than most electric cars.
Nowadays I would never buy one new, and even used it somewhat does rise the price of other Teslas, but I’m not planning to sell mine, I would lose quite a lot of money to end up with a similar car. I am in the market for a second car and it’s definitely going to be electric, but no chance for a Tesla.
I can understand why your next one will be electric as pretty much all the benefits you describe are benefits of an EV not a Tesla.
I drive an old beater of a leaf and have the same list
There’s a lot of hyperbole out there about quality and repair costs. I know people want to devalue the brand any way they can, I don’t fault that. But, my first-release Model 3 was a really great car. I’m really going to miss it.
As I was walking away after selling it, I couldn’t help but say “it’s not your fault, buddy. You didn’t deserve this and I will always have a place in my heart for you. You were merely a victim of evil beyond our control. Good night, sweet prince.”
I’ve owned a Tesla and I’d say your wrong about pretty much everything here.
The whole point of buying an EV is that it stops polluting after it’s been manufactured (ignoring tires) and specifically that you stop polluting your local environment, making it out like used gas powered cars are just as good as used EVs is disingenuous at best.
Until Tesla allows other shops to do repairs, those swastikars will never be economical even if you ignore the Nazi part
Everything on them can be fixed by a regular mechanic, and Tesla isn’t stopping it (at least not in Europe). People are getting 3rd party special shops to fix HV batteries and motors on old model S without any issues. Brakes, suspension, steering, LV electrical (windows, lights, handles etc.), AC can be fixed by anyone without issues. And aside from body parts and a few specialty components (their “octovalve” comes to mind), it’s mostly standard auto components that can be bought from 3rd party manufacturers without giving Tesla any money.
Edit: a model 3/Y door handle is around $100, of course still expensive but also far below your $1000 example, and on par with an original handle for my old ass Peugeot 308.
Teslas are still wickedly expensive to repair and there’s only the dealership who can do those repairs.
Where are you getting that from? There are plenty of 3rd party shops that can and do service Teslas. They even made their repair manuals public and sell the OEM components online.
The cost of that can apparently be over $1k. For a door handle.
That’s a door handle on a $100k+ car.
Part of the win is electric vs gas too though. Use the electric until it’s gone and toasted then get a beater.
But if you do you’ll be able to experience the Passenger Kebab Mode™ firat hand when the battery ignites!
No money goes to Elon directly, but it still increases the market price of Teslas. So someone else deciding between used and new might just buy new because it doesn’t cost much extra.
No money goes to Elon in that exchange, so you’re not supporting the fascist prick.
One could say the same about not selling your Tesla in the first place.
One downside is that Teslas are uncomfortable. I liked them a lot circa 2016, the Model S used to be my favorite vehicle. They simply haven’t held a competitive advantage, or in the case of the 3/Y, are genuinely quite bad. I’d rather pay more for something better, and that was before the CEO became this.
I’ve had my model 3 for 4 years and it’s more comfortable than any previous car I’ve driven. What is bad about them (other than the fuckwit CEO)?
I guess I wanna clarify that it’s bad in my opinion, not objectively. I’ll return to this later. I just don’t wanna seem like I’m shitting on your car or the reasons you got it.
Cars are typically comfortable when they have good ride quality and interior. The Model 3 has the absolute worst in both regards of any EV I’ve tried. The suspension is legendarily poor and is my primary complaint— it truly feels like punishment. As if every road imperfection was multiplied, not dampened. They could’ve given it the interior of an S class and I’d still find it uncomfortable. Yet the interior is sterile and features low quality materials. I tried my best to recall any one comfort besides heated seats, but I truly believe it is bereft of them.
So, back to how this is my personal opinion. I am a traditional comfort guy: good ride quality, creature comforts, high quality materials. For those who don’t care about that, the Model 3 is a great “get me there” vehicle. The software is good and it has ample driving assistance. The supercharger network is unrivaled if you don’t mind funding Musk (I do, so even though mine can now access the network I won’t use it). It’s very functional. Just not physically comfortable.
I’ll admit that most of the EVs I’ve tried are Model S competitors, not 3, but I’d still take either Ioniqs or the Mach-E over the 3. Also the latest Model 3 improved the suspension, but I’ve yet to try it
Fair enough.
I have always had rather sporty vehicles so the suspension of mine (2021 3 competition) feels just fine. Sporty, rather hard, but not uncomfortable. Not floaty of course. Some people put a kw suspension for about 3k, which apparently makes it much better than comparable cars. I test drove one and didn’t notice that much of a difference, so passed on the upgrade.
As for the materials, they are average or above in its price class. New VWs are notably worse. BMW are notably better but also 30% more expensive. Haven’t been in an ioniq but non-electric Hyundai and kias are worse IMHO. The interior design is clearly very subjective, but the materials are just fine. Not a lot of hard plastics or anything like that, everything you touch is… fine.
Yeah that tracks. I’ve always been comfort minded so the Model 3 feels really bad to me.
For materials, they’re like one step above hard plastic. They don’t feel like high quality versions of whatever material they are, if that makes sense. “Just… fine” is a good descriptor. Unfortunately I don’t spend a ton of time in its competitors so I may have been unfair to the materials by comparing it to more expensive options. And yeah, in my case the barebones interior feels less comfortable.
I do hope you keep liking the car! None of us ex Tesla supporters could have seen this coming, so it shouldn’t hinder your enjoyment.
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