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His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday’s election.
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It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.
The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.
But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.
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The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.
The three countries most well known for their open and fair democratic processes.
/s
Insert “Why is it always you three” meme here.
Sussy af
Mr Maduro accused the opposition of producing fake evidence to contest the result of the election and said the US was behind what he described as a farce and a coup attempt.
Wouldn’t be the first time
Maduro and buddies are already saying the post election protests were a CIA coup attempt. They knew this was coming and they tried to get out ahead of it.
And plenty of useful idiots here are parroting him, because “US Bad”
The US is bad. Especially when it comes to South America. And especially with socialist countries. The US always sanctions socialism to then claim it doesn’t work. Otherwise americans might start to doubt their ultra capitalism.
And plenty of useful idiots here are parroting Blinken, because “US Good.”
“B-b-b-but whatabout” coming from one of the most ardent defenders of the fascist shithead Maduro here? How utterly predictable.
The US defines sanctions as acts of war, like economic warfare. So the US is at war with Venezuela. How can that fact not play a role in the evaluation of the claims? It’s like giving claims by Russia equal weight as claims from Ukraine about their own election.
And of course, how could you even expect free and fair elections while under siege?
And of course, how could you even expect free and fair elections while under siege?
Well, at least we agree they weren’t free nor fair. The difference is you believe US forced Maduro to falsify them because “US?” while some think he did because “Maduro”.
Well I believe the government had to clamp down on opposition because they actually are in league with the imperialist side of the US and want a coup and overthrow democracy in Venezuela. I don’t think they falsified the results, until I see actual evidence, and not just claims of having evidence by the lying US.
It’s similar to Iran: The guardian council was established to prevent coup attempts by e.g. the CIA. Election interference creates a legacy of problems. Many countries in the world can’t have a free democracy because the US can bring such a huge influence to bear. The USA deserve to be hated by many people of the earth. The US experienced that kind of interference the first time in 2016.
But my point is that if your country is under siege by a hostile foreign power you have to hold fast and prevent the take over at any cost. This is where crackdowns and oppression become less black and white and the use of force and violence is an imperative.
The Venezuelan government has been remarkably calm and measured though. They didn’t even arrest Juan Guaidó who clearly is a US puppet.
Media often reinforces binary thinking by presenting complex issues as battles between opposing sides, where there’s a hero and a villain, good guys and bad guys, with no room for middle ground.
This polarized storytelling simplifies narratives but doesn’t capture the complexities of real-life issues, which are often multifaceted and nuanced.
How very cuntservative of him.
I’m going to wait until I see primary evidence, the US doesn’t have the most honest track records with South American countries
Not just that, but it’s also that Anthony Blinken wrote Israeli propaganda articles since 80s.
If you like conspiracy theories, he may have been familiar to J Epstein, who may have had ties with Mossad (then that whole pedophile operation makes perfect sense as a very efficient way to blackmail a lot of powerful people, and him offing himself makes more sense).
If you don’t, the fact stands that Anthony Blinken has acted in the interests of a foreign fascist state since 80s.
This may be a bit philosophical, but South America in general has much more progressive approach to international law than the rest of the world, the Montevideo convention as the most notable example, but also the first country to recognize the Armenian Genocide was Uruguay, and despite all the dictatorships, crime and trafficking I’d say in some sense it’s still the least fascist part of the world.
In any case, who in their right mind really believes Maduro won? But I’m sure even Venezuelan opposition doesn’t want US to protect them Desert Storm style.
Yep
What are you talking about the US has never done anything bad in south America, unless you count Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, ans Chile. Yeah the list is surprisingly short in south America.
Uh… Colombia??? Kind of a biggie to leave out!
*Edit, I’m sorry, I live next to the river, I’m used to spelling the name Columbia because we insisted on spelling his name wrong in the US whereas they kept the Italian spelling in South America, he was still a genocidal asshole who could not have discovered a place that already had inhabitants but also was not even the first European to go there though, maybe we shouldn’t name anything after him though technically the river is named after a ship which was named after the person.
Colombia*
Lol I’m sorry, I blame autocorrect but maybe just me being a dummy. I talk about the brand (and river) a lot more often than the country in my daily life.
I was using a list of coups. So I kinda forgot about the fuckery in Columbia.
I think the venezuelan government is wrong this time, and the election was rigged, bUT: it coming from the US doesn’t mean shit.
It is sad that on any topic concerning South America, I am suspicious of anything that the US says.
What about Brazil, Mexico, and Colombia?
A distinctive objective take. Have a meaningless upvote.
People should question the USA every time they talk about South American countries. The same as how people question China or Russia when they talk about bordering countries. Super power will do what they can to influence other countries and historical and recent events make it clear that the USA is willing to lie and defend its lies. So people have the right to not believe the USA.
Sure. When it’s appropriate. But it isn’t appropriate here. There are third party organizations with no love for the US also making statements about this.
That said, there are other regional countries which are also calling for data and are skeptical of the legitimacy.
Love the whataboutism. Top notch shillwork.
It’s not whataboutism, it’s good to look at the history and motivations of anyone making claims like election fraud. US officials are saying it’s fake, the US has a long history of South American political interference, especially if there is even a hint of socialism.
So you saw Maduro’s disaggregated numbers and they check out. Share them, please, everybody else wants to see them too.
I don’t think they are staying Maduro won. Polls showed this was going to be a landslide against him. Can’t trust polls especially in a dictatorship but I think there’s something there. I know in my heart he lost.
Wait, do you unironically think we want to annex Mexico?
Nothing in @Doorbook@lemmy.world’s comment implied that.
Also…Why do you think so many American cities in the south west have spanish names?
Nothing in @Doorbook@lemmy.world’s comment implied that.
You are a liar.
The same as how people question China or Russia when they talk about bordering countries.
Also…Why do you think
Not everyone is as bad a student of history as your peers.
What about the election in Pakistan? That was clearly rigged yet the US never made a it a problem.
Did the US remove sanctions on Pakistan on condition that they run fair elections? I ask because I don’t know. What I know is that they did so with Venezuela, and yet maduro didn’t run free elections.
No the US backed a coup in Pakistan against Imrah Khan.
Imran Khan did not want to get involved in the Russia-Ukraine war and the US wanted a Pakistani president who picked their side.
Then why would the US be as interested in the fairness of the election.
The fairness of the venezuelan one was literally a condition of the deal.
Which deal?
The US lifted sanctions in exchange of Venezuela having fair elections. That was the deal.
If Maduro had acted like a good suckup dictator, all of this would be declared “internal matter of Venzuela” and Blinken would have moved on lol.
But no, he had to refuse the US’s foreign demands like he has sovereignty or something. Now we actually have to coup him for real this time, and make it look like we upgraded the democracy while doing it.
spoiler
But seriously rip Imran Khan. Pakistan had one big chance to save itself and it took the army like 5 seconds and a tiny IMF loan from the USA to burn it all down.
dunno, don’t speak Urdu, not close to me, don’t know anyone from there, what do observers say? It’s just really annoying for Latin Americans to see “gringos” immediately forming an opinion on something they have no idea about and making it about themselves, either to meddle or to dismiss. Listen to other countries than the US and what they are saying, preferably in the local language.
China? Russia? Iran? Where’s your office?
US involvement makes this suspicious especially when it’s against a socialist candidate.
The US removed sanctions against Venezuela on condition that they would run fair elections. Of course they are involved, they need proof to know what to do with the sanctions.
All the more reasons america would want to manipulate the elections. If they stop their sanctions socialism could actually work and they cannot allow that.
Ocamm’s razor.
If they didn’t want to lift sanctions, they would just not lift them. If they did lift them, it’s because the US actually wanted fair elections. There’s not more to it.
Why are these things always split across ideological línes? It’s obvious no one even looked at the results and are just cheering for their own team.
If it was US/Iran vs China/Germany then it would be much more interesting.
I’d say history. But it’s not even that. The US is at war with venezuela and always has been. Just kidding it’s eurasia. Nah haha but they are waging economic warfare. Well Trump did and Biden continues to.
So should you believe the US claims? You’ll have to as your ideological master programmer of course. It’s not like you could just use historical facts and make some clear logical deductions!
So yeah it’s ONLY a matter of ideology and opinion /s
Oh btw Trump also really won the last US election and Biden isn’t even President. It’s not like these things are different in any way - one side is right, the other is wrong, and it’s only a matter of opinion.
2 things are true here:
- The US and Blinken are notoriously villainous bad faith actors
- Maduro is a fascist dictator
The best information I have seen says Maduro lost. I don’t know anything about the opposition party, maybe they would be worse for Venezuela, maybe not. It doesn’t seem like either party is acting in the best interest of the people, they’re stuck with having to choose which axis profits from their natural resources.
They can’t be worse. A dog could run that country better than Maduro.
We also have overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts in Venezuela throughout his career.
Downvote actual facts if you like, you’re only showing your bias.
Care to share that evidence?
Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news……
I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….
Details of a dozen or so coup attempts by us government
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv2tr51zb
Details of Blinken’s work history in the us government over this same period
Bias report on the jstor.org showing reporting credibility as factual and also detailing any of their bias etc
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jstore-daily/
If you believe western media and United States governments reporting on issues in Venezuela, you’re critical thinking ability is non existent.
I’m not an expert on Venezuela, but again, western media and the USA government has zero credibility on issues concerning Venezuela.
Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news…… I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….
Your snark, arrogance and cynicism are unwarranted and inappropriate.
But I do appreciate your providing some info - I was genuinely curious and didn’t quite know where to find this evidence - initial searches did not turn up the kind of “overwhelming evidence” you claimed existed. I’m not for a second disputing the USA’s involvement in coup attempts or regime change in general - I think this is quite adequately documented. But your claim was that there is “…overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts” but the best you can do is to essentially say he’s guilty of this personally because he has worked for the US government.
That’s honestly pretty weak.
lol. You’re saying that without irony.
That’s not me being arrogant, I nailed it, I just did a slam dunk in your face after I alley-ooped my own pass.
And when your audience has zero critical thinking skills it’s probably the most appropriate time for cynicism.
Yes, I hate to break it to you but folks working for the leadership in the state department and national security of the us government are complicit in US backed coup attempts.
But your attempt to straw man my evidence is a sorry attempt to deflect from the actual fact that the United States and western media completely fabricate most everything anytime they open their lips to speak on issues concerning Venezuela.
No. No you didn’t.
Ok weirdo
Do you see the vote counts? You suck here. How open minded and independently researched you clearly are.
That’s not me being arrogant, I nailed it, just did a slam dunk in your face after alley-ooped my own pass.
Not only arrogant, but cringe.
Sad to see “useful” idiots like you who probably don’t even know where Venezuela is, but as long as they are against the US they have to be good, right?
At least I’m useful. One day you’ll be there.
If you believe every protest is a CIA backed coup attempt then nobody can help you.
According to Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, only the UN Security Council has a mandate by the international community to apply sanctions (Article 41) that must be complied with by all UN member states(Article 2,2). source
Unilateral sanctions tend to destabilize economies causing protests.
This seems like it should be a response to someone else’s comment?
Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia are also asking for election data here, but you neglect to consider that.
You have this idea in your head that because you fully believe your news sources, that I am somehow in opposition to whatever your ideology on this issue is.
My goal is to point out that nothing western media or the US government has said or is saying is reliable on issues specifically concerning Venezuela, for at (the very) least the past three decades.
“I’m giving you a choice: either put on these glasses or start eatin’ that trash can.” ——-Nada, from the movie They Live.
Okay, and my point is regardless of if what you say is merited or not, Maduro can still have cheated.
Don’t distract from the issue with whatabout-ism arguments.
lol. You’re arguing that Blinken trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government in the past is a whataboutism to any discussion of Blinken trying to do it again, right now even?
It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic
Y’all cable news watchers use Orwellian talking points without a lick of irony. Wow
I don’t have any skin in this game, but what are the Orwellian talking points you refer to? I’m curious how this term is used and develops over time.
You’re suggesting the opposite of a thing is the thing, in this case it is Blinken having supported multiple coup attempts in Venezuela being a non relevant talking point to him currently supporting a coup in Venezuela
I would say “currently supporting another coup he supported last election” but nah, we’ve already established this is somewhere between his support of coups in Venezuela 12-15 times
Thanks for asking
Edit; it wasn’t you it was the other guy who was using the Orwellian double speak or whatever
He suggested that me mentioning blinkers previous support of coups in Venezuela during a discussion about blinkens support a a current coup attempt in Venezuela is a whataboutism or what not
If somebody losses the election and still rules, that person/party are there ones who made a coup. Opposing this statement can only mean you support any and all dictators as long as they role play as a democracy once every few years.
Ok Mr bot….
A raging asshole who is right is still right, despite being a raging asshole.
Username checks out
Oh my what an amusing and original observation, one never before uttered in the history of the internet.
You waste your gifted prose on us my good person, please go find a country to be the Poet Laureate for, I am sure there are several waiting on your reply.
Thanks, you have a great username
Took me around four seconds to pick it.
I had intended it to be a warning so people aren’t disappointed in my sarcasm or shocked by my vitriol.
It hasn’t worked so far…
I thought Venezuela hasn’t had a legitimately elected government in a very long time. Was something different this time?
Chavez won, at least, his first election fairly and in a landslide. So, it’s been up to 25 years since the last free and fair election there.
I already believe the Venezuelan elections were rigged. Stop trying to convince me otherwise Blinken.
This is really turning into an egg on face moment for a lot of people on here
Can someone spell it out for me?
Who did the nutty instances want to win?
Who did normal people want to win?
Maduro is a dictator or at least dictator adjacent. All dictators should fall despite whatever ideology they have or claim to have.
I’m sure this had nothing to do with it.
