Im confused why people are confused that they announced federation without having servers to federate with? It literally just got announced why would people expect there to already be big servers for them to federate with?
Because why would you federate using your own protocol when there’s a perfectly viable protocol (ActivityPub) that you could use instead and you could federate with the whole Fediverse from day 1.
Because they want to make a better protocol? Yeah it sucks theyre not compatible but i dont really blame them when activitypub hasn’t received updates in a very very long time. I mistrust bluesky since theyre VC funded but i also appreciate the new features theyre doing and hope it causes activitypub to improve.
I don’t really know what they think they can improve, but trying to improve ActivityPub is probably a more sustainable route than just starting a new protocol. Breaking changes and all that.
I also really don’t trust them - I suspect they went for their own protocol because really they just want to be the biggest server in their own semi-closed garden.
It’s for-profit right? Enshittification is just a matter of time.
As soon as they mentioned “algorithmic feeds and viral content”, not interested.
You get “viral content” because of algorithmic feeds, which are there to 1) keep you engaged on the platform, and 2) allow them to push sponsored content to you for profit.
Even the word “feed” in this kind of context just reminds me of cows at a feedlot, mindlessly munching down on whatever garbage is piped into the trough, slowly being fattened up to be sold off to the highest bidder.
There are days when I get on here and there’s not much of anything interesting in my communities and you know what? I’m fine with that. I put the phone down and do something else. I don’t need an endless torrent of “content” to surf courtesy of an algorithmic feed that doesn’t have my best interests at heart.
Your default timeline view on Bluesky is just ‘posts from the people you’ve chosen to follow, in date/time order’. That’s the algorithm.
Everything else is optional and you can choose whatever other timelines or views you also want to see. If you only want to see the posts from people you follow then you don’t need to subscribe to any other feeds / algorithms.
It’s enshittified right in the design of the protocol. The entire idea of ATproto is to decentralize the annoying (& legally tricky) stuff like identity management and moderation, while keeping the profitable stuff (advertisement embedded in algorithmic feeds) more or less centralized.
And even though they are quite open about that in their technical documentation, somehow people fail to see it for what it is and think this would be somehow to their own benefit.
EEE would be using AP, adding some extra features, and slowly making the original foss part irrelevant because your extra features are now required by 90% of the userbase.
This ha nothing to do with EEE. Theyre making their own thing. If we want to talk about EEE lets talk about the things Mastodon does that makes it hard for Lemmy etc to federate with them.
Im sorry this attitude of “i dont care about FOSS having better design/features than the closed stuff, if its FOSS its better” really sucks. I want Lemmy to be better than reddit snd Mastodon to be better than twitter.
Im confused why people are confused that they announced federation without having servers to federate with? It literally just got announced why would people expect there to already be big servers for them to federate with?
Because why would you federate using your own protocol when there’s a perfectly viable protocol (ActivityPub) that you could use instead and you could federate with the whole Fediverse from day 1.
Because they want to make a better protocol? Yeah it sucks theyre not compatible but i dont really blame them when activitypub hasn’t received updates in a very very long time. I mistrust bluesky since theyre VC funded but i also appreciate the new features theyre doing and hope it causes activitypub to improve.
I don’t really know what they think they can improve, but trying to improve ActivityPub is probably a more sustainable route than just starting a new protocol. Breaking changes and all that.
I also really don’t trust them - I suspect they went for their own protocol because really they just want to be the biggest server in their own semi-closed garden.
It’s for-profit right? Enshittification is just a matter of time.
As soon as they mentioned “algorithmic feeds and viral content”, not interested.
You get “viral content” because of algorithmic feeds, which are there to 1) keep you engaged on the platform, and 2) allow them to push sponsored content to you for profit.
Even the word “feed” in this kind of context just reminds me of cows at a feedlot, mindlessly munching down on whatever garbage is piped into the trough, slowly being fattened up to be sold off to the highest bidder.
There are days when I get on here and there’s not much of anything interesting in my communities and you know what? I’m fine with that. I put the phone down and do something else. I don’t need an endless torrent of “content” to surf courtesy of an algorithmic feed that doesn’t have my best interests at heart.
Your default timeline view on Bluesky is just ‘posts from the people you’ve chosen to follow, in date/time order’. That’s the algorithm.
Everything else is optional and you can choose whatever other timelines or views you also want to see. If you only want to see the posts from people you follow then you don’t need to subscribe to any other feeds / algorithms.
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It’s enshittified right in the design of the protocol. The entire idea of ATproto is to decentralize the annoying (& legally tricky) stuff like identity management and moderation, while keeping the profitable stuff (advertisement embedded in algorithmic feeds) more or less centralized.
And even though they are quite open about that in their technical documentation, somehow people fail to see it for what it is and think this would be somehow to their own benefit.
Great, so now we have even more fragmentation. Good job BlueSky!
In short, competition breeds innovation
Who is VC?
Venture Capital
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Thats not EEE.
EEE would be using AP, adding some extra features, and slowly making the original foss part irrelevant because your extra features are now required by 90% of the userbase.
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If your reaction to getting corrected is to ignore the person correcting you, well you’re going to have a hard time in life kid.
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Nah, you can just stop replying.
This ha nothing to do with EEE. Theyre making their own thing. If we want to talk about EEE lets talk about the things Mastodon does that makes it hard for Lemmy etc to federate with them.
Im sorry this attitude of “i dont care about FOSS having better design/features than the closed stuff, if its FOSS its better” really sucks. I want Lemmy to be better than reddit snd Mastodon to be better than twitter.
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