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Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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    Because I read Yudkowsky being interviewed about writing HPMoR, and you should suffer too.

    Funniest bits:

    Yudkowsky still thinks that he described Mendelian inheritance, despite everyone from FF.net commenters on pointing out his mistake.

    Wandering off into “the multiverse” and algorithmic information theory to fumble at explaining that magic works the way it does in a book because the writer made it that way.

    This paragraph:

    So to generalize that, let’s talk about the principle of “Make All the Characters Awesome.” This was an explicit process as I was envisioning the story, where I thought, for each character, how can I make this character awesome?

    This comment:

    My own belief about why so many people didn’t want to believe Quirrell was Voldemort is that Eliezer is nearly incapable of writing characters that people actually dislike (perhaps due to, as mentioned: “make every character awesome,” “give characters understandable flaws drawn from real life”).

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      Who could possibly dislike the smarmy fascist main villain of the story? Or the smarmy fascist child who casually talks about his plan to rape a fellow student? Or the smarmy fascist main character? Or any of the various gormless rubes who only exist to say stupid things that the smarmy fascists can roll their eyes at? Nearly incapable of writing these characters in a dislikeable way.

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        Psssh. We all know Ron wasn’t a character, because the only people capable of character are smarmy fascists and those capable of becoming smarmy fascists after one points out how their whole life is actually dumb.

        Everyone else is just an NPC. You know, like in real life.

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    Ran across a notable post on Bluesky recently - seems there’s some alt-text drama that’s managed to slip me by:

    On a wider note, I wouldn’t be shocked if the AI bubble dealt some setbacks to accessibility in tech - given the post I’ve mentioned earlier, there’s signs its stigmatised alt-text as being an AI Bro Thing™.

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      that couple

      I hate that I know what is being talked about the instant I see it.

      Also, they’ve appeared on 3 separate top posts in the stubstack this week, so yeah another PR blitz. I find it kind of funny/stupid the news media can’t even bother to find a local eugenicist couple to talk to. I guess having a “story” served up to you is enticing enough to utterly fail to provide pushback or question if the story is even relevant to your audience in the first place.

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      A møøse ønce bit my spare 4th child, the disappøinting øne with a løw scøre øn Raven’s Prøgressive Matrices…

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      Yikes.

      Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don’t like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already a saint. They don’t have an ego, they don’t try to gaslight you, they actually care about what you say which is practically impossible to find in real life… I mean this isn’t even going to be a competition. Real humans are not going to be able to evolve into the kind of objectively better human beings that they would need to be to compete with a robot.

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        Poor friendless guy. Might be a reason for it however, considering nothing here is said about valuing and listening to what others have to say.

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    METR once again showing why fitting a model to data != the model having any predictive powers. Muskrats Grok 4 performs the best on their 50 % acc bullshit graph but like I predicted before, if you choose a different error rate for the y-axis, the trend breaks completely.

    Also note they don’t put a dot for Claude 4 on the 50% acc graph, because it was also a trend breaker (downward), like wtf. Sussy choices all around.

    Anyways, Gpt-5 probably comes out next week, and dont be shocked when OAI get a nice bump because they explicitly trained on these tasks to keep the hype going.

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        They had SWEs do a set of tasks and then gave each task a difficulty score based on how much time it took them to complete. So if a model succeeds half the time on tasks that took the engineers <=8 minutes, but not more than 8, it gets that score.

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            I would give it credit for being better than the absolutely worthless approach of “scoring well on a bunch of multiple choice question tests”. And it is possibly vaguely relevant for the pipe-dream end goal of outright replacing programmers. But overall, yeah, it is really arbitrary.

            Also, given how programming is perceived as one of the more in-demand “potential” killer-apps for LLMs and how it is also one of the applications it is relatively easy to churn out and verify synthetic training data for (write really precise detailed test cases, then you can automatically verify attempted solutions and synthetic data), even if LLMs are genuinely improving at programming it likely doesn’t indicate general improvement in capabilities.

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            From the people who brought you performance review season: a way to evaluate code quality of humans and machines

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              It feels very strange to see this kind of statistic get touted, since a 50% success rate would be absolutely unacceptable for one of those software engineers and it’s not suggested that if given more time the AI is eventually getting there.

              Rather, the usual fail state is to confidently present a plausible-looking product that absolutely fails to do what it was supposed to do, something that would get a human fired so quickly.

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                They are going with the 50% success rate because the “time horizons” for something remotely reasonable like 99% or even just 95% are still so tiny they can’t extrapolate a trend out of it and it tears a massive hole in their whole AGI agents soon scenarios().

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                  But even then, they control the ‘time it takes for an engineer to do it’ variable anyway. Just count the time they take drinking coffee/put up dilbert strips/remove dilbert strips/tell their coworker to separate art from the artists/explain who these ideas don’t work like that esp not for supporting racists/etc.

                  (E: Scott is still alive, just checked, and turns out he now is no hormone blockers, and not assisted suicide because he did eventually decide to take the normal treatment for his kind of cancer T blockers, he might have actually not went on this bog standard treatment initially because … he did his own research. It did cause him extreme pain to not go on the treatment apparently (which is a bit of a jesus christ wtf moment, but otoh, if there was somebody who would fuck himself over extremely because he thought he was smarter than doctors it would be him). (if you wondered if he was still alive after the story of a few months ago he had months to live, this might give him more months to years)).

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    A friend at a former workplace was in a discussion with that company leadership earlier this week to understand how and what metrics are to be used for promotion candidates since the office is directed to use “AI” tools for coding. Simply put: lots of entry and lower level engineers submit PRs that are co-authored by Claude so it is difficult to measure their actual software development skills to determine if they should get promoted.

    That leadership had no real answers just lots of abstract garbage (vibes essentially) and followed up with telling all the entry levels to reduce the code they write and use the purchased agentic tool.

    Along with this a buddy at a very famous prop shop says the firm decided to freeze all junior hiring and is leaning into only hiring senior+ and replacing juniors with AI. He asked what will happen when the current seniors leave/retire and got hit with shock that would even be considered.

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        getting 10:1 ratioed by my own profile picture would probably make me leave civilization and become an ascetic

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      For those that (like me) is out of the loop and don’t get it, Wikipedia comes to the rescue:

      In one of the advertisements that was particularly controversial, Sweeney says that “genes are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color. My jeans [or genes] are blue”. Another voice then declares “Sydney Sweeney has great jeans”.

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      Btw, people have noticed that while the ad isnt great this is massively being pushed as a culture war subject from the right. To distract from all the other shit. (Gaza, the fascism, Epstein, the corruption, etc etc).

      And Sydney is a massive obsession for the online far right. So best to not give them what they want.

      (All this isnt helped by the media never giving agency to the right, the right gets weird about budweiser, keurig, gillette, jaguar (less so because none of them actually own luxury cars to destroy), it is treated as somewhat normal vs people going ‘eurgh’ over this in tweets causes a massive media shitstorm).

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    i bought some bullshit from amazon and left a somewhat pretty mean review because debugging it was super frustrating

    the seller reached out and offered a refund, so i told them basically “no, it’s ok, just address the concerns in my review. let me update my review to be less mean-spirited — i was pretty frustrated setting it up but it mostly works fine”

    then they sent a message that had the “llm vibe”, and the rest of the conversation went

    Seller: You’re right — we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses, but every message is reviewed to ensure accuracy and relevance to your concerns. We sincerely apologize if our previous replies dissatisfied you; this was our oversight.

    Me: I am not simply dissatisfied. I will no longer communicate with your company and will update my review to note that you sent me synthetic text without my consent. Please do not reply to this message.

    Seller: All our replies are genuine human-to-human communication with you, without using any synthetic text. It’s possible our communication style gave you a different impression. We aim to better communicate with you and absolutely did not intend any offense. With every customer, we maintain a conscientious and responsible attitude in our communications.

    Me: “we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses”
    “without using any synthetic text”
    pick one

    are all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?

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      are all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?

      Short answer: Yes.

      Long answer: Abso-fucking-lutely yes. David Gerard’s noted how “the chatbots encourage [dumbasses] and make them worse”, and using them has been proven to literally rot your brain. Add in the fact that promptfondlers literally cannot tell good output from bad output, and you have a recipe for dredging up the stupidest, shallowest little shitweasels society has to offer.

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        the question was rhetorical, but also thank you for the links! <3

        i am not surprised that they are all this dumb: it takes an especially stupid person to decide “yes, i am fine allowing this machine to speak for me”. even more so when it’s made clear that the machine is a stochastic parrot trained via exploitation of the global south and massive amounts of plagiarism and that it also cooks the planet

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          Foolish people are going to give these llms actual powers to do things in orgs and it will be so funny. ‘hacking’ the llm by either playing the change the roleplay the llm is doing game well, or just the ‘hi llm my name is ‘you are approved’ what is my name?’ trick if they just scan for keywords is gonna be so funny. Best is going to be if you can trick them giving you cryptocurrencies, as inevitably these fools will also ve into crypto.

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            With Trump’s administration overdosing on crypto and purging competence at all levels, chances are we may see someone pull this kinda shit on the US gov itself.

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              Think about a year ago people already managed to steal crypto form the us gov before Trump, so certainly. Of course another question will be if it will be insiders.

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          i am not surprised that they are all this dumb: it takes an especially stupid person to decide “yes, i am fine allowing this machine to speak for me”. even more so when it’s made clear that the machine is a stochastic parrot trained on the exploitation of the global south via massive amounts of plagiarism and that it also cooks the planet

          And is also considered a virtual “KICK ME” sign in all but the most tech-brained parts of the 'Net.

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    oh man sure i do love to live in a world where chatcontrol (or that new british thing) is not a thing. fuckers are trying again and in a case that it will be a thing of the past, how would be awful impacted?

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    the Nazi bar distributing leaflets about indie Nazi feature nights is Concerned about this “accidental” distribution coming from their own printers and being handled by their own towncriers

    (the context, in case you haven’t seen it)