Bonus points in WAFRN’s favor: No TERFs allowed! If you want to be a fascist you can set up your own instance, but we all know these people are pathologically unable to actually do anything for themselves.
@palladiumasteroid@GabrielBell12fi@gabboman any reference at all, seems a bit much but i also dont beleive a word their saying, i bet it was like in endorsing transphobia or some shit and not “just a quote”
@GabrielBell12fi from what they said it sounded like “not supporting the author” … while supporting the author; and it sounded more like the ban cane from screaming about free speech which likely came off as a far right or libertarian shit
but i digress this isnt a free speech issue … your being banned from a random website … you can say “the mods are overly trigger happy” if you want; you can even not like the site for that if you want, but its not a human rights violation, and beleive me i say everything is a human rights violation (because it often is tbh …) your banned from a website, your fine, nothing bad has happened to you … maybe chill out? i can understand being mad of frustrated or whatever from being banned; thats fine your allowed, expected even probably; if wafrm was something you needed to like survive and its being denied to you now you’d have a point, but it isnt,
and its okay to be mad and upset but this is kinda over dramatic a bit …?
I take your point, and in the wider context of the world - sure, it is perhaps a tiny problem.
But one of my original points was “but they are free speech fascists who are as bad as Trump and Musk”
A lot of people are abandoning Twitter because Musk has a habit of banning people who post things that he doesn’t like. If they criticise Tesla, he bans them, if they are mean to him, he bans them, if they say something about his favourite sports team… you get the idea.
I made what I considered to be a perfectly innocent quote from a fandom I liked. It showed no support for an anti-trans ideology, and when questioned I made it clear that I am very capable of separating the work from the artist. That just because I like a given work doesn’t mean I support, endorse, believe or condone everything the artist/creator does.
Which in this day and age is something I think we should all consider an important thing to be able to do. If we learn Jane Austen was a paedophile, does that mean we stop reading Pride and Prejudice? If we learn Charles Dickens smoked crack and beat his kids, do we force people to stop quoting Great Expectations?
If Shakespeare was suddenly revealed as a Russian Spy does that mean every single quote, play, sonnet and work of his is now forbidden?
Or can we learn to say “This is our house now” and say “yeah - this author is a psycho bitch who no one should admire and should be cast out of decent society, but does that mean we should burn all the books and films and so on”?
Anyway - that aside, my point is for a site that supposedly prides itself on “free speech” (it’s right there in its mission statement) the admins acted exactly like Musk does on Twitter - petty and vindictive and kind of pissy.
I haven’t brought it up anywhere else, I haven’t ever started a vendetta and I haven’t launched a crusade. This is the one and only time I’ve mentioned it in two months and only because it was a topic of the post.
@GabrielBell12fi elon musk is government (not even just in a billionares are essentially kings way) they actually hurt people not just ban from X its not “just as bad”
but also “seperating the art from the artist” isnt really doable while they still make money off it; if she lost copyright to it somehow or whatever then it be different but also you can argue theres a kinda bigoted message all throughout the series,
i dunno why wafrm would advertise as being a “free speech” place like that it feels like its asking for something like this to happen; anyway outright banning over this it feels a bit excessive i personally would have probably talked about it with you a bit more and probably left it on a warning or seeing if anything else comes up; but i also immediately dismissed you as purposefully trolling and shit; so i can understand why the mods would react this way. but i can understand where your coming from a little
(also they said you shared a hp fanfic? which is different to what you said)
@palladiumasteroid@GabrielBell12fi@gabboman for OP ‘free speech’ means cant hurt you and systemically deny you your rights over saying shit (which seems a given rights are inalienable, and not being harmed is a one of them but states ignore peoples rights all the time) it also doesnt exist btw, you cant say “i want to kill” followed by “the president of the united states” (but its fine if its “trans people” or some other minority ofc) or anything the state deemed “state secrets” or what a large company copyrighted or what someone said was NDA; or … protests that call for direct action … why is that ever mentioned?
and only with dismantling the state and other orgs who are “allowed” to disregard human rights like that, would we actully have freedom of speech;
its still nothing to do wih using social sites; freedom of association means that we can tell you to leave us alone; w blocking or banning; you still exist and nothing happens to you.
User started posting some fanfic or quote or something. I called off the user. They said their freedom of speech was violated and that they were gona leave
I said “ok”
2 minutes later I said “actually no youre not leaving you’re being banned”
A slightly revisionist version of history, but more accurate than some.
My point is that, like Twitter and other sites, you purport to support free speech, but clearly your definition of free speech only goes so far because when push comes to shove your own morals and ideology wins out over other people’s rights.
I didn’t say anything controversial, I didn’t post anything hateful, hurtful or offensive. I just wrote one quote and that was it - you exploded and kicked me off the site.
@gabboman@GabrielBell12fi@palladiumasteroid called it, knew there was more to it that that, and yeah going off about free speech when someone calls you on something feels like a pretty big red flag yeah;
anyway wheres free speech absoluteist mfrs when leaking NDA shit, or state secrets, or caling for direct action, or every time protesters anywhere get arrested or … yknow actual ways the state violates peoples right to free speech every day?
I think you should reconsider your views relating to all social media being a “town square”
This place is a convention center, we don’t allow harry potter themed merchandise, all trans people here appreciate it.
I can’t really understand how it connects to trump and musk, would you explain that?
When Musk came to Twitter he declared it would be “A space for absolute free speech where people would be free to say what they wanted without any restrictions”
And within a few weeks it became apparent that he was banning people who were mean about him, about Tesla, about his friends, who were saying things that he didn’t like.
Not things that were racist, bigoted homophobic, transphobic or hateful. Just things that he, personally, disapproved of.
“When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less” - Humpty Dumpty (Alice Through The Looking Glass).
It is also a good definition of free speech under less tolerant governments.
I think they could be mistaking app. wafrn.net (the tumblelogging federated platform we are in) with some murican nationalist media BS that’s also named wafrn.
As I recall Gabbo wasn’t even aware the other wafrn existed.
They don’t have anything to do with each other and maybe this person should investigate properly before posting uninformed crap.
Yeah - don’t try this site (Warfrn). It sucks.
No offence to those who run it, but they are fascists who have no idea what free speech actually is.
I realise they are going to try to defend themselves, but they are free speech fascists who are as bad as Trump and Musk.
I’d say “no offence” but I think you probably wouldn’t believe me.
What the hell are you talking about
Did you get banned from there or something?
He did.
lmaooooo
Bonus points in WAFRN’s favor: No TERFs allowed! If you want to be a fascist you can set up your own instance, but we all know these people are pathologically unable to actually do anything for themselves.
What. No I am not
Where the hell would anyone get that idea??
Do you remember banning a guy who posted a single Harry Potter quote?
Go finance a genocide to other website
You seem to be leaving something out.
How about the part where I agreed that the author was evil? You don’t want to mention that? Or does the truth get in the way of a good story?
“I know she is evil but i still want to post hp stuff. I dont like your policy so im leaving”
See - you can be honest when you try.
I didn’t like your stance so I banned you.
The admin team warned you and all
Mate, you came to the gay transgender site and tried to post something financially helping on the trans genocide
There are actions on my moderation history that I had doubts. There are actions that were hard for me to take.
This one wasn’t one of them
Listen i know this person is financialy helping on the trans genocide and any mention in a positive light of her works helps her
Anyway I want to post about it in a positive way
Thats you
Finally fashism I can get behind!
“Fascism is when they don’t allow me to post fascist media”
If only there was a way to make your own Wafrn…. Guess it’s time to make a new decentralized social media standard.
@palladiumasteroid @GabrielBell12fi @gabboman any reference at all, seems a bit much but i also dont beleive a word their saying, i bet it was like in endorsing transphobia or some shit and not “just a quote”
Nope.
I made it clear I didn’t support the author. I made it INCREDIBLY CLEAR.
But I was told “no Harry Potter stuff” was allowed.
And my account was deleted.
@GabrielBell12fi from what they said it sounded like “not supporting the author” … while supporting the author; and it sounded more like the ban cane from screaming about free speech which likely came off as a far right or libertarian shit
but i digress this isnt a free speech issue … your being banned from a random website … you can say “the mods are overly trigger happy” if you want; you can even not like the site for that if you want, but its not a human rights violation, and beleive me i say everything is a human rights violation (because it often is tbh …) your banned from a website, your fine, nothing bad has happened to you … maybe chill out? i can understand being mad of frustrated or whatever from being banned; thats fine your allowed, expected even probably; if wafrm was something you needed to like survive and its being denied to you now you’d have a point, but it isnt,
and its okay to be mad and upset but this is kinda over dramatic a bit …?
I take your point, and in the wider context of the world - sure, it is perhaps a tiny problem.
But one of my original points was “but they are free speech fascists who are as bad as Trump and Musk”
A lot of people are abandoning Twitter because Musk has a habit of banning people who post things that he doesn’t like. If they criticise Tesla, he bans them, if they are mean to him, he bans them, if they say something about his favourite sports team… you get the idea.
I made what I considered to be a perfectly innocent quote from a fandom I liked. It showed no support for an anti-trans ideology, and when questioned I made it clear that I am very capable of separating the work from the artist. That just because I like a given work doesn’t mean I support, endorse, believe or condone everything the artist/creator does.
Which in this day and age is something I think we should all consider an important thing to be able to do. If we learn Jane Austen was a paedophile, does that mean we stop reading Pride and Prejudice? If we learn Charles Dickens smoked crack and beat his kids, do we force people to stop quoting Great Expectations?
If Shakespeare was suddenly revealed as a Russian Spy does that mean every single quote, play, sonnet and work of his is now forbidden?
Or can we learn to say “This is our house now” and say “yeah - this author is a psycho bitch who no one should admire and should be cast out of decent society, but does that mean we should burn all the books and films and so on”?
Anyway - that aside, my point is for a site that supposedly prides itself on “free speech” (it’s right there in its mission statement) the admins acted exactly like Musk does on Twitter - petty and vindictive and kind of pissy.
I haven’t brought it up anywhere else, I haven’t ever started a vendetta and I haven’t launched a crusade. This is the one and only time I’ve mentioned it in two months and only because it was a topic of the post.
@GabrielBell12fi elon musk is government (not even just in a billionares are essentially kings way) they actually hurt people not just ban from X its not “just as bad”
but also “seperating the art from the artist” isnt really doable while they still make money off it; if she lost copyright to it somehow or whatever then it be different but also you can argue theres a kinda bigoted message all throughout the series,
i dunno why wafrm would advertise as being a “free speech” place like that it feels like its asking for something like this to happen; anyway outright banning over this it feels a bit excessive i personally would have probably talked about it with you a bit more and probably left it on a warning or seeing if anything else comes up; but i also immediately dismissed you as purposefully trolling and shit; so i can understand why the mods would react this way. but i can understand where your coming from a little
(also they said you shared a hp fanfic? which is different to what you said)
@palladiumasteroid @GabrielBell12fi @gabboman for OP ‘free speech’ means cant hurt you and systemically deny you your rights over saying shit (which seems a given rights are inalienable, and not being harmed is a one of them but states ignore peoples rights all the time) it also doesnt exist btw, you cant say “i want to kill” followed by “the president of the united states” (but its fine if its “trans people” or some other minority ofc) or anything the state deemed “state secrets” or what a large company copyrighted or what someone said was NDA; or … protests that call for direct action … why is that ever mentioned?
and only with dismantling the state and other orgs who are “allowed” to disregard human rights like that, would we actully have freedom of speech;
its still nothing to do wih using social sites; freedom of association means that we can tell you to leave us alone; w blocking or banning; you still exist and nothing happens to you.
User started posting some fanfic or quote or something. I called off the user. They said their freedom of speech was violated and that they were gona leave
I said “ok”
2 minutes later I said “actually no youre not leaving you’re being banned”
A slightly revisionist version of history, but more accurate than some.
My point is that, like Twitter and other sites, you purport to support free speech, but clearly your definition of free speech only goes so far because when push comes to shove your own morals and ideology wins out over other people’s rights.
I didn’t say anything controversial, I didn’t post anything hateful, hurtful or offensive. I just wrote one quote and that was it - you exploded and kicked me off the site.
To me, that screams fascism.
@GabrielBell12fi@lemmy.world @gabboman@app.wafrn.net
yes because fascism is just a synonym to the opposite of free speech
That is not how fascism works, go read a book about it, educate yourself
You posted harry potter on the gay trans website
@gabboman @GabrielBell12fi @palladiumasteroid called it, knew there was more to it that that, and yeah going off about free speech when someone calls you on something feels like a pretty big red flag yeah;
anyway wheres free speech absoluteist mfrs when leaking NDA shit, or state secrets, or caling for direct action, or every time protesters anywhere get arrested or … yknow actual ways the state violates peoples right to free speech every day?
based
I think you should reconsider your views relating to all social media being a “town square”
This place is a convention center, we don’t allow harry potter themed merchandise, all trans people here appreciate it.
I can’t really understand how it connects to trump and musk, would you explain that?
When Musk came to Twitter he declared it would be “A space for absolute free speech where people would be free to say what they wanted without any restrictions”
And within a few weeks it became apparent that he was banning people who were mean about him, about Tesla, about his friends, who were saying things that he didn’t like.
Not things that were racist, bigoted homophobic, transphobic or hateful. Just things that he, personally, disapproved of.
“When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less” - Humpty Dumpty (Alice Through The Looking Glass).
It is also a good definition of free speech under less tolerant governments.
But they literally never advertised wafrn as free speech.
Hey, quick question, what speech is being suppressed? Just curious if you’re willing to share.
I think they’re saying the opposite, that we’re Freeze Peach Enthusuasts. Which, lol???
I think they could be mistaking app. wafrn.net (the tumblelogging federated platform we are in) with some murican nationalist media BS that’s also named wafrn.
As I recall Gabbo wasn’t even aware the other wafrn existed.
They don’t have anything to do with each other and maybe this person should investigate properly before posting uninformed crap.
b r u h
Btw when’s the last time you tried to snipe their domain gabbo
I am hoping they decide its not worth it
@GabrielBell12fi@lemmy.world @VoidCrow99@piefed.world free speech ends where TERF glazing begins