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    I’m still upset with Buttigieg for his pre-Super-Tuesday drop out. He joined the establishment to rally against Sanders. In doing so, he became part of what’s wrong with the party.

    While I don’t think poorly of him as a person per se, he is also just another politician.

    In contrast, I see folks like Sanders and AOC as real agents of change.

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      Which problem are we talking about?

      Trump? Yeah…

      The “Democratic” Party hasn’t had a real Primary for POTUS since 2008, maybe earlier.

      2012? Obama was still in.

      2016? “Superdelegates” were just party insiders explicitly allowed to put their thumb on the scale in the name of party loyalty. They used this to favor Hillary Clinton, a Goldwater-Girl who addressed the Senate in the mid 1990s and push for gun control by calling Black Children in Chicago “super-predators”.

      2020? That primary was operation unite-against-the-popular-candidate.

      2024? No Primary. Joe Biden would go on to have cancer, Kamala had a joke of a campaign, and both of those candidates cosigned a deeply unpopular genocide so hard that it was bipartisan.

      We saw astroturfed “no kings” protests come and go.

      Now, with Mamdani looming large over the political scene, I see Democrats rushing to pretend their party name isn’t just as ironic as another Conservative bill.

      They will teach an entire Generation of their prospective political base that electoral political change is impossible.

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      0% considering how many Dems have been coordinating with Trump & Co to get his agenda passed. Even if Republicans ‘lose’ this time it’s all just a big scripted fantasy like Wrestlemania. We’ll still all lose either way as long as these two private organizations call all the shots.

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      In my view, even voicing genuine doubt about the validity of elections undermines the very democratic institutions people claim to care about. It feeds into the same narrative that Trump and others have pushed, casting suspicion on the process and eroding public trust. Whether intentional or not, it ends up doing their work for them.

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        Between this and the press egging him on, it’s like everything is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

        It’s like if reporters kept asking “are you gonna punch that baby?” It may have not been a consideration before, but it’s definitely one now.

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    🤣…Buttigieg…🤣. A Keynesian neo-liberal who as mayor, did nothing and the people there hate him. During the East Palestine Ohio train gas fiasco, it took him 7 days to even show up…and he did nothing for them. That was HIS job! Another neo-liberal failure. The democratic party needs a corporate/oligarch controlled candidate purge, STAT!

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    Christ, it’s 2025. I should fucking hope that none of this fucking matters for the 2028 primary.

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      It really doesn’t have any correlation to 2028. If anything it just shows the current mood of the electorate. Probably more informative if there were multiple surveys to compare movement against.

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      Holy crap, zero percent?? There was some iffy “not enough black support” conversations going on during 2020 that were warped by just how much black support Biden was getting, but you really should be getting more than zero.

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        I suspect that’s a sampling bias due to sample size. He probably has low support though. It’s kind of crazy, but if the republican party wasn’t insanely racist, and actually social/fiscal conservative, they would probably take a majority of the black vote. The black community supports gay rights, because they’re acutely aware of minority rights issues, not because they really accept bay people.

        Taken as an overall group anyway, obviously there’s a whole range of views among the community.

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      My top four:

      1. AOC
      2. Sanders (he’s old af, otherwise he’d be first)
      3. Tie: Harris (love her but she needs to be a woman of the people, no more real estate conferences and more publicity)
      4. Tie: Buttigieg (best orator on the list, wish he was a bit more progressive)

      Please no newsom, or even walz. I like Walz but he did specifically say he wasn’t going to run for president during his vice presidential campaign.

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      Walz is a staunch zionist. Electing him would mean more years of the US sponsoring middle east violence that could literaly end humanity on the planet.

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    Buttigieg, those people are obsessed. I remember the announcement that Buttigieg had won the 2020 Iowa Caucuses, lol.