I don’t think people are cheering on Iran, I think they’re cheering for Israel to be on the receiving side of violence for once.
If a country that was more progressive than the US (not hard to find one) started bombing the shit out of New York City, would you be like “well, they deserve it for their transphobia”?
Do you realize that Orthodox Jews consider women to be inferior to men? Like, they won’t even shake a woman’s hand.
Sacha Baron Cohen, Zionist shithead though he is, actually got chased down the street in Israel by an angry mob for playing his flamboyant gay character Bruno. He had to yell “I’m a Jew I’m a Jew” to keep from getting the shit kicked out of him.
Israel is literally committing genocide RIGHT NOW. I’m sure there are plenty of gay, trans, nonbinary Palestinians who have head their limbs blown off, if that’s really what upsets you.
The genocide apologism is so obvious it’s sad. You point to one issue that will make liberals go “oh no, scary Muslims!” and you run with that. Fix your heart.
Purity politics needs to end. Some of you MFs need to learn strategy, and play a game like Civ. If Iran harasses Israel, bully for us. Two of the worst people we know are now fighting, we should celebrate this reprieve.
It’s called critical support. I can support both Iran’s self-defense from genocidal maniacs while simultaneously criticizing them for their human rights abuses. It’s something that people with a functioning brain can do - hold two ideas in their head at once.
Besides, Israel has killed more gay people in the last year just through sheer numbers of the people they’ve exterminated than Iran has ever.
You guys also realize gay people in Gaza are also persecuted, right?
Is the Iran regime bad? Yes. Are they colonial outpost that is actively committing genocide? No. Are the Iranian people settlers like the Israelis? No.
Who is dragging the US into war with Iran and potentially WW3? Israel.
Does this help maybe?
Is it possible they are both just very very bad?
What about Israel, a country that literally executes an entire nation of people, the Palestinians?
People are cheering on Iran out of pure spite, not out of genuine support for Iran.
The American people are tired of our government spending out tax dollars to support a genocide and then gaslighting us about it when we call them out. They are also persecuting dissenters on it. This has happened under both Biden and Trump, though Trump has leaned more on the persecution. We are fucking sick of it.
There is satisfaction in seeing someone stand up to genocidal Israel, even if the party doing so is despicable in their own right. I think people would greatly prefer getting behind a western democracy taking a stand, but we’re at a point where people will take what they can get. Especially with it being clear that the aforementioned western democracies aren’t going to do shit against genocidal Israel.
In this conflict I learned to take no side, except the one of the victims who didn’t ask to be involved.
Israel is executing gay people, and straight people, and fathers, and mothers, and babies, and the elderly, and the sick, and the disabled, people in hospitals, and in refugee camps, and Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and on, and on.
It’s not so much cheering on Iran, but not giving a shit about Israel. Like, Israel just attacked Iran, they reap what they sow.
Me when people are cheering on Israel, a country that literally executes innocent children
haven’t you heard, Gaza isn’t friendly to gays, that’s why it’s ok to bomb all the people of gaza indiscriminately, including the gays.
Our own leadership isn’t friendly to gays.
This is a “let them fight” situation
I guess but it sucks for civilians caught in the crossfire. Can’t we just have a Khamenei/Bibi cage fight instead?
And then we just don’t let the winner out of the cage.
I’d be down for that. Let the leaders fight!
kinda like an inverse hunger games?
I’d hope for some good old celebrity death match entertainment.
The problem is, large parts of each country are supporting their government in what they’re doing.
IMO a major reason that Israel is levelling Gaza is that it’s a one-sided conflict where Israelis are not getting killed. There are apparently 53 Israeli hostages right now, but more than 20,000 Gazans have been killed. There is some pressure to end the conflict, but not enough. If it were a war where Israelis were being killed too, it would end a lot quicker.
I know the Iran / Israel conflict is a different one, but if enough Israelis stop supporting Netanyahu, both conflicts might end. Israeli civilians dying might be the only thing that will stop Netanyahu.
The “settlers” aren’t civilians, they chose this fight and hopefully they get what they deserve.
No uninvolved civilians huh? Where have I heard that before…
The “settlers” have used force for political reasons so they’re terrorists.
Terrorists aren’t civilians so they’re all valid targets.
So what you’re telling me is if you lived in Israel you’d be pro-genocide lol. You’re using the exact same logic as a transparent fig leaf for your anger and hatred, just like many Israelis do against Palestinians.
You can’t make blanket statements about people based on where they live or what family they were born to. They’re all different individuals with different beliefs and backgrounds. Not all Israelis support the violence, not all of them are settlers, many were born there. Some even lived there for generations. This is nonsense.
I never mentioned all Israelis. I said the settlers are terrorists, which they are per the definition.
Also what anger and hatred? I’m simply calling it as I see it.
The settlers use violence to destroy Palestinian communities, bulldoze them and then build their homes on stolen land in pursuit of a political agenda.
They’re terrorists and strikes on terrorists should be recognised as such.
Contextually I thought you were just calling all Israelis settlers. All Israelis (and all Iranians) will be threatened by a war between their countries. But OK, if that’s not what you meant then what I said doesn’t apply. Just a weird thing to focus on since it’s unlikely Iran would specifically target settlers.
Make it a knife fight.
There are no winners in a knife fight.
Iran has the right to defend itself, as they like to say
Another reason to hate Israel. They’re making me agree with Iran.
Ew.
Maybe you should reconsider your prejudice, then. Why are you so spiteful towards the country geopolitically opposed to the genocidal entity and doing something about it? Do you treat western countries (all of them maintaining economic, diplomatic and military ties with Israel) with the same contempt?
According to Veritasium and Game Theory (The prisoners dilemma) a retaliation is what should be done in this case
I personally prefer the more complex setup discussed in https://ncase.me/trust/.
The prisoners dilemma is a single decision game: you can tattle or stay silent, and as you don’t know what the other does, and due to how things are set up you would prefer to tattle, even if both staying silent yields better results for both parties.
Politics like this is more of a repeated game, like the one described in the link. You can trust one another, in spite of this single iteration Pareto optimal setting favoring betrayal, and work together. But also; show that you are not an easy mark that can be exploited.
Agreed. The the enemy of my enemy is my, uh, enemy? They both suck lol
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s other enemy.
Nothing more, nothing less
Realpolitik is German for “short-term thinking that will eventually bite you in the arse”.
Exactly. Stop giving Israel weapons.
Just to add that I have become quite allergic to the “pre-emptive strike”, “weapons of mass destruction “ justification for war. Have we learned nothing?
We did learn that orchestrating these gets you paraded around by the “progressive” party in the US during the last election…
That’d be pretty swell, but then maybe please don’t go defend Israel from the consequences of its actions?
You would have said the same thing about World War 2.
Which side is supposed to be Poland in your shitty analogy?
The one being attacked, obviously.
me when people like you conveniently start to pretend to care about gay people only when something happens to Israel
The other 350 days a year they’re “concerned” about the fairness of allowing trans athletes to compete.
Like most godfearing red-white-and-blue-blooded Americans, I spend about 16 hours a day watching girls’ high school swimming, and let me say, it’s a travesty that the sport is 90% trans girls now.
the coverage of it on certain outlets is 90% trans girls, that’s for sure
?? Since when is calling out pro-islamists just pretending to be pro-gay rights? Iran beats women to death for wearing the wrong clothes and tortures atheists if you want some more groups you can claim I’m just pretending to care about.
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Iran is “within their rights” to bomb Israel back. Both the Israeli and Iranian governments are evil, run by evil men, and I wish nothing but unpleasantness for them both.
I’ve been seeing people defend Iran like they’re some saints randomly sucker punched instead of a vile state set on building nukes to do holocaust 2. Hence the meme.
Do I think people are stupid for defending Iran? If I answered that honestly, I would user much more accurate words and a mod would ding me for civility.
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