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It’s almost like the good ol’ days of install fests and the like! ‘End of 10’ is an organization that’s making it easy for Windows 10 users with computers that can’t upgrade to Windows 11, to install Linux instead of sending good hardware to the landfill.
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Whatever will I do without my deshittified emotional support laptop :'(
And even if you don’t want to… Find someone who does! Donate that laptop to someone. Find a LUG or Mutual Aid group or a friendly local anarchist :)
Wait so someone might wasnt the top of the line Macbook Pro from 12 years ago that someone gave me?
A pretty large amount of people don’t own a PC at all, though I’m finding it surprisingly hard to get a good number on it. Just anecdotally, most people I know who aren’t IT professionals have either no PC or 1 old laptop, often from college or on loan from work. Most folks use their phones for everything. People I know with kids have school issued Chromebooks, which barely counts.
As to exact numbers, I’m curious what others can find. I turned up between 74% and 94% of adults in the US owned a PC, which seems insanely high to me. But on the same page claiming that 89% of all households have a PC, I also saw
In the United States, the number of households with computers is projected to surge from 4.7 million to 120.45 million between 2024 and 2029, indicating a substantial increase in computer ownership.
Which… That’s bonkers. They expect the number of PCs (in homes) to go up by a factor of 30 in just 5 years, presumably that guess was before tariffs as well. I’m wondering if these household and per capita numbers somehow include corporate spending because businesses and schools do purchase literal tons of computers.
Unironically yes. There’s someone out there who is on the other side of the digital divide that would absolutely want any kind of access to what you currently take for granted.
I got it from someone when they were done with it. It’s old enough that itunes, safari/chrome/Opera/Firefox wouldn’t work with the current os.
Im not taking it for granted Im not tech savvy. It’s really weird for you to suggest this is the case when you have never met me.
endof10.org seems like a good website to direct people to via posters in your local community center or church. Or you can call a repair club in your area to ask if they want to be listed. Those are likely to have some Linux enthousiast members and already have a location.
Im hearing proton is good for games?
It is outstanding
Been playing for years on a nearly daily basis, from Baldur’s Gate 3 to Elden Ring to now Clair Obscur… to VR with e.g. Half-life : Alyx. That’s on my desktop and often also on my Steam Deck. So… yes, Proton is very VERY good for games!
i second @FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee
it’s fantastic for like 85% of all games, and good to acceptable for like 10%. the only big issue is games with kernel level anti cheats, which is a problem for some gamers, mainly AAA and fps lovers.Games with kernal anti-cheat should be treated with precisely the level of respect they show to us.
I’m not sure I can give up helldivers at this point tho.
Helldivers 2 works on linux
Yeah some anticheat works. OK GAMERS LISTEN UP Linux is being cock blocked by companies. Anticheat even kernel levels have Linux support it’s time to start a movement to enabling anticheat Linux support. Some anticheat the company only needs to send a message and they haven’t sent the email. Let’s start a witch hunt for all these companies so they can send the email or enable it.
Nah. Anything that says “yes, kernel-level anticheats will work here” - I will be out. To the point of LFS and offline games only, if need be
Kernel level anti cheats that enable Wine/Proton support doesn’t actually run in kernel mode on Wine/Proton. Instead it allows itself to be run in user mode provided that it likes the environment enough. And maybe RDTSC latency isn’t too high?
Ahh what’s what the previous person meant by competitive games.
You can always check ProtonDB
Love this thanks!
It’s fantastic. Unless you’re playing a specific few multiplayer competitive games, it’s just like windows (sometimes even better in terms of performance - and sometimes better in terms of retro compatibility)
Nice! So long as i can still play with by siblings on some private games ill be ok.
Do note that generally speaking an AMD gpu on Linux vs Windows similarly. You can maybe expect a 1-2 FPS downgrades on average but it really depends on the game.
On the other hand, NVIDIA gpus have a bit more FPS disadvantage but it’s still not a major drawback I think? Idk how much is the fps difference
In my experience, Nvidia drivers work just fine. They’re just proprietary, and once in a while they release a faulty driver (which you can just roll back ofc). Happened to me a couple of times over the past… 14 years, fuck
Really sets the expectations from Nvidia.
Back when I switched to Linux, Nvidia worked much better than AMD cards, but everyone hates them for not providing open source drivers, understandably
Part of me still does not think Microsoft is going to go through with it. There are too many Windows 10 PCs that will just become infected.
Part of me thinks the government will intervene as I think it could genuinely be a security issue to have so many unsecured devices in the wild.
But, another part of me has no hope for the future.
Sooo… I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Sadly people said the same for xp and 7 soo…
At least there was an upgrade path from them.
No lie. We play this game every 7 years or so. I was training on a Win10 machine at work yesterday. Think they’re updating that? Nah. Hell, it probably could take an 11 upgrade and they haven’t bothered. Why? It’s a locked down machine. And if IT don’t care, home users certainly won’t.
They’re working to make home users care. I get a full screen popup every couple weeks reminding me that Win 10 is going out of support and my pc isn’t eligible to upgrade. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them get more aggressive with that shit in October. I also ran into issues with 7 where apps would just refuse to work on it so they have that route to fuck us too.
Lol there is a pc with win xp at my job that is offline but its the only pc left with software we need. Apparently it won’t run on new stuff. I call bs but its survived this long somehow.
Question is has the company who made the software gone bust and is the software so nieche that no one else has made a replacement?
Its software for a very specific widget that is still sold internationally from a vendor. Ppl could theoretically buy it directly from the vendor but we want to keep the premium i guess. once a year we get into problems with the widget and no one seems to know how it works. Like how? We sell hundreds a year. In fact it is so problematic we tell people to have the vendor service it than having our team do it. What a joke. Feels like massive bs that gets swept under rug every time.
You could probably hire like 2 developers for a month to rewrite it in Rust and have an actually good product. Also make it work on Linux
Rofl just told some of the managers about it. They didn’t know. Im gonna suggest this next. Bet they all laugh.
Just an FYI - you don’t have to throw away computers that can’t upgrade past Windows 10. They will keep working.
Long story short, my Dad just got a new computer. (His old was was actually really old, but he could have used Linux.)
Anyway, I told him not to throw out the old computer and that I would take it. He was baffled that I would want it or could even do anything with it.
I am going to set it up as a backup server in the house for my parents and myself as it will be a nice way to have an offsite backup for free.
So many use cases! I’m giving an old NUC to a kid at work who’s learning Linux. Jesus, the kid bought a copy of Linux from “the best/most-famous hacker in the world!”. We had a come-to-Jesus talk about that horseshit.
I recently virtualised an XP machine that had been running since time immemorial, and will continue to (virtually) do so.
But you don’t want to do anything that requires security on them like shopping, email, or anything that requires you to log into to an account that you dont want stolen.
Windows 7 ranks on par with Mint on the Steam hardware survey.
I’m thinking the stuff you “don’t want to do” after Windows lack of support rank pretty low on people’s new year’s resolutions.
You can, if you install Linux
Been on Linux full time for al about 2 months now… Proton and Bazzite have made the transition soooo much easier as gaming is what was always holding me back.
Yea, gaming has come a long long way thanks to Valve. I was also holding back due to this (and not wanting to spend too much of my spare time learning a new OS and commands etc) but I just installed Zorin (chosen for minimal effort) and hardly had to do anything. I struggled a bit to get Proton to work at first but now my entire Steam library works perfectly and I’m so much happier with it than I ever was using Windows. Gonna be getting my friends and some family on it as well!
I switched in January because my PC doesn’t support TPM 2.0 (gen 1 ryzen) after having not tried Linux since like 2011 gaming honestly kind of blew my mind, basically as “plug and play “ as windows.
I’m so happy that I went intel instead of gen1 ryzen that generation.
I still use it for work and would be so pissed if I needed to buy a new computer just to use Windows 11.
I genuinly need windows or mac for my work. I use linux on my personal laptop.
I upgraded my Win 10 laptop to IoT Enterprise LTSC recently which is stupidly easy and grants you support till 2032.
Aside from some weird app incompatibilities it’s been working fine.
I don’t think that many people want to buy Windows Enterprise, which they typically want you to also buy a support contract for.
Unless you pirated it, but I don’t think telling people to “just run this pirate code” is that good of an idea.
Of course it’s up to you whether you want to use something that, according to Microsoft, you’re not supposed to use, but the only “pirate-code” I had to run was to activate it. The upgrade itself was pretty straightforward. You could use it just fine without activating it if you wanted.
IMO it’s a better option buying a new computer to run Windows 11 officially. I’m not including Linux because I specifically wanted to keep Windows on the Laptop to run apps that don’t work on Linux.
I did an upgrade, instead of a clean install, to the same version. I just had to reinstall my graphics driver and everything works as before, I just went through another step to remove some programs and it’s been smooth sailing since.
Massgrave.dev provided what I needed. Was a breeze.
I did an in-place upgrade as well. I was surprised how easy it was; it’s just one Registry key and from there you can just do a normal upgrade.
Way easier than installing Windows 11, which wouldn’t even officially run on my ThinkPad T540p…
I’m doing my part!
I’ve loaded Mint on my prime system and a laptop, another laptop with Fedora, Manjaro on another main system I test with and EndeavorOS on all my media systems. I’ve also loaded about 8-10 other distros on Proxmox to play/test with.
Where I had doubts on whether I needed anything off of the old MS system, I P2V’ed the OS and spool it up on Proxmox if needed to review any history within the OS/browser.
I still have a couple of W10 VMs lingering and a Windows server. I’ll “upgrade” the workstation VMs to W11 (and shut them down) since I have the license and I can see sometimes having to use Windows for whatever dumb reasons. I’ll leave the Windows server for now to maintain the domain as that allows me to block telemetry with GPOs. I may tire of that at some point though as MS will further wane away on my network.
My summer task is to convert all my 'Arrr software over to Linux versions. Still on W10 there. Wasn’t sure which distro to go to for that…
Windows 10 users encountering this post: this sounds like a lot of work. I’ll just stick to windows 11.
Disabling all the dumb shit and ads on win11 is triple the work of switching to linux and learning to use it.
If you honestly believe that, this is another great example as to why people would stick to Windows 11.
KDE Neon here. I really really like it.
Re: Arr software, spin up an Ubuntu VM and install Docker. Spin up portainer and then use that to spin up all thr arrs. Ezpz
Check out PostmarketOS for older machines/phones too. I got it working on an old Microsoft surface RT that would have been e-waste otherwise
I have a 2011 MacBook Pro running MX Linux. It’s no match for my M2 Air, but it’s still surprisingly useful.
Was up the council recycling centre the other day, looking at some of the dumped computers, wondering just how many of them could still be very useful.
