• Brave Little Hitachi Wand@lemmy.world
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        That’s pretty rad

        A lot has gone wrong, but I’m happy that at least the trans community is delivering on the promise of rogue body-modding hackers resisting a corpo-fascist greyface empire

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    I don’t know where this is coming from because I grew up in the era of Marilyn Manson, the Murderdolls and Dir En Grey (etc.) Where gender was some fluid shit and everybody vibed with it.

    Even though I don’t like them, I also remember Rammstein playing around with gender expression.

    Overall, my personal experience with metal since teenhood in the 2000s is that metalheads are extremely chill and open minded and the bigots are some fringe groups here and there that nobody likes to talk to anyways.

    Metal was about challenging the status quo and trigger the sensitive puritans who wanted everybody to conform one way of living and being. Most metaheads and metal artists were social rejects who didn’t fit in and weren’t accepted and they rebelled against the social structure at the time for that very reason. A couple of examples of the artistic expression in metal at the time:

    Pretty sure Manson even brought on a trans icon in his video for The Dope Show which itself was a critique of the creative industry and how it uses and abuses people and forces them to be someone they aren’t.

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    I’ll never understand why this is a divisive issue… let people live however they want, unless they bother others. How does it bother me if someone wants do get rid of their dick? Stop interfering in people’s lives.

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      Deliberately used as the “enemy” by the fascist state as scapegoat and distraction. Queer people were also targeted by Nazis.

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      unless they bother other

      Well, that’s the thing. So many people are bothered when someone does something they wouldn’t personally do, often because they were told their whole life that there is only one proper way to exist.

      “…unless they are harming someone else.” though, that is a pretty solid criteria.

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      They genuinely believe trans people are child molesting scum that are trying to convert their children into transgenders.

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        14 hours ago

        Indeed, a lot of the UK transphobic stuff that is happening right now is based off this conspiracy theory, trans women are no longer considered equal to cis women because of this

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    Societal alienation makes for the best art and metal is no exception. Metalheads trying to exclude someone for being different (NSBM excepted) have completely missed the point of the entire genre.

    Shout out to Genital Shame and Lust Hag making excellent Transwoman Black Metal!

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        A lot of first wave and early norwegian black metal bands were essentially proto-NSBM. Nazis have been a part of black metal for as long as it’s been around. For a long while black metal had a reputation for being full of fascists

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      Yeah, some genres have a large segment of people who struggle to fit in with the mainstream. I’d like to think that they pick up something about social liberalism vs traditionalism from that, but there’s apparently also a significant segment who want as strict traditions as the mainstream, they just want somewhat different traditions.

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      Thanks for the recs, I was recently looking for queer metal and found some stuff but not nearly the nearly enough…

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    I wanna downvote because you called metal shitty growls and screams, but I’m no transphobe so you get a comment >:(

    Metal people are the most chill people always, have you seen Serj outside of musical videos? He’s almost a hippie.

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      [OP] called metal shitty growls and screams,

      To give the OP credit, even as a metal fan, they’re not exactly wrong. There are plenty of bands/genres that I try to listen to and come away thinking something to that effect.

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      I’m a metal fan, Serj is fantastic.

      I’m still going to mock metal :)

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    If I die and go to hell and there is no metal genre playing then I know I truly went to hell.

    And for those who say ‘what about all the people before metal music was invented who died and went to hell’. To that I have to say that metal music is eternal and the history of music is a lie!

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      I dunno what to tell you but women can be nazis too.

      Besides, every hobby has assholes in it. But because there are a few pieces of shit in metal, doesn’t mean all of metal is racist or sexist. That’s like saying people who like science fiction are nazis and misogynist because Wernher von Braun wrote Project Mars.

      And last I checked, metal didn’t embrace nazis. There are fringe nazi sympathizers in metal, but metal as a whole is repulsed by nazisism. They just can’t control what some people do. Just like how punk can’t control of there are a few nazi punk bands out there no matter how much they try to reject them.

      It genuinely pisses me off how such a small group of assholes can get so many people to act like metal as a whole is racist. It was no different back in the 2000s where my parents also wanted me to stop listening to it because my dad found one article about a guy who beat up his girlfriend and he apparently liked Metallica.

      This is the blaming video games for school shooters argument all over again. And back then, metal was blamed for that too.

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        my parents also wanted me to stop listening to it because my dad found one article about a guy who beat up his girlfriend and he apparently liked Metallica

        My dad once picked me up from a party when I was in high school in the 1980s; he noticed a video that was playing on MTV and was highly disturbed by the imagery in it, as he told me later (many times).

        The video was “Cuts Like a Knife” by Bryan Adams. My dad thought he was losing me to Satan because of fucking Bryan Adams!

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          Art = scaring parents for centuries.

          My dad was also convinced that my group of friends would get me into drugs which is fucking hilarious. I tried so many times to explain to him and my mom that my friends were all socially awkward nerds who unironically did Naruto runs when no one was looking. We were cringe as fuck and most of us were former bully victims who lived sheltered lives and and just really liked watching animated movies and shows. Many of us had never really had friends before either, so having interests to bond over was pretty cool.

          But because we also dressed in black, some dying their hair in crazy colors and we listened to metal, we had to be criminals. I am in my mid 30s now, still listen to metal and I have yet to do drugs and violent crimes. Any day now, though!

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              It isn’t for me, tbf, but I’m glad if you enjoy it 🤗

              My German teacher traumatized me with Christiane F when I was 15. Not like I wanted to try anything before then, but that movie fucked me up lol. Same teacher had a mental breakdown when they found out one of my schoolmates had been secretly sniffing lighter gas in her room for months. I will never forget the heartbroken face of my teacher. I always think of her whenever drugs come up in any context. I just can’t do that to her.

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      there’s a hell of a lot less of a chance of them turning out to be nazis or sexual predators.

      Nah, it’s pretty much the same. Maybe they’re less vocal about it because they’re already worried about being accepted in a male dominated field. But being as horrible as possible is pretty even across the sexes in other areas, so probably this one as well.

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    “23 subgenres of equally shitty growls and screams” sounds like a headline from far-right media, so…