At this point, if you voted for Trump and you regret it, keep that shit to yourself. I would rather not know.
Yall maybe forgiving but not i any and all Trump voters are traitors. Because you cannot stand there and listen to this man commit sedition
Say shit like “i have a concept of a plan”
And still slap knee “gosh darn it that is the man I must vote for president what a patriot!”
Fuck that. Cowards all of them. Every single one in gov. And every single voter.
Remember the women who slept with Nazis and after the war? That’s Trump supporters.
Just don’t say you used to support the guy and do your part to try to get him legally out of the whitehouse along with his admin buddies.
Hey, so long as they’re willing to put the ones who aren’t apologetic against the wall
That’s the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
from what i’ve seen, yes people are angry but people are willing to accept apologies that aren’t based entirely in leopards eating faces… you don’t get a pass for your shitty ignorant behaviour just because that behaviour comes to bite you in the ass
you get to apologise and have it accepted if you’ve seen the harm that’s been done to other people and are genuinely remorseful
Getting apologies would be nice, but it starts with acceptance. Right now, if a Trump voter can accept that they messed up or were led astray, and they can be convinced to join the resistance, that’s all I care about. I care less about hearing an “I’m sorry” than I do about having more people on the streets today - actions speak louder than words, and to turn down someone who’s joined our side over something as petty as “Have you apologized yet?” would do little more than push people away.
We need a united front right now, and just as former Trump voters have to suck up the bad feelings of having contributed to this mess, we have to hold off on purity-testing our fellow protesters and accept that to fight the oligarchs, it takes all of us, regardless of our feelings toward each other.
Nah fuck that
We dont need traitors in the mindst. Why would you allow traitors into your resistance. We don’t need the trumpers to take back america. There’s more of us then there is of those traitor fucks.
They are Nazis. Plain and simple see them everyday in Florida with their Trump stickers and nazi flags.
This is how you lose. If you don’t allow people who wake up and turn away from the naziism a chance to do so, you’ve stupidly removed the opportunity for there to be fewer Nazis
Last I checked it took a world war to stop the Nazis but go on.
Il see yall during the revolution.
Curb your extremism.
Why would you allow traitors into your resistance
They aren’t “traitors”. Many of them fell for propaganda. Do you unironically believe that parents are voting for trump when they know their parents will be deported? Do you think that illegal migrants will vote for trump when they know they will be deported?
Stop with your edgy hardliner attitude. This is how you create rifts in society.
They are traitors…they voted for a traitor???
Did Trump bot steal top secret documents?
Did Trump not commit sedition?
Did Trump not fill his cabinet with Russian agents?
Traitors. Including you for defending them.
And to answer your questions yes you idiot Trump said he was gonna do all those things and the very same people voted for him still. Shows the racism and bigotry of this country.
So fuck you.
Sure they voted for a traitor, but where do you want democrats to look for votes? The left?
people are willing to accept apologies
Absolutely not, at least not online. People do not accept apologies, they will brand you based on that action, no matter how much you apologize. I mean, just look at some big example like pewdiepie who had a few (admittedly tasteless) moments in 2017, apologized for it multiple times but is still framed as nazi to this day.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
The vindictiveness and hate for anyone who slightly disagrees by some on here is only matched by Reddit users. It makes sense I guess
That’s exactly it, it’s actual hate. It’s not just “bro your opinion is stupid, you’re a retard, piss off” and be done with it. Nah, many people on here genuinely hate other opinions. They’re fully adopting a fascist mindset while thinking they’re on the “right side”.
It’s genuinely worrying to see that ngl.
And when these trump voters vote for republicans again, democrats will blame the left. Again.
Too bad I don’t know any that stop drinking the kool-aid (flavor aid), they still think that hurting liberals makes hurting conservatives worth it.
As much as it’s fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey. We need to make it easy to leave the cult and not make people double down just because they feel ashamed or feel like they have to defend something. The goal, while enticing, is not to rub people’s nose in the shit they admittedly helped create. The goal should be to get rid of this motherfucker and reverse everything he’s done.
So you still believe voting can fix this?
As much as it’s fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey.
How much more honey are you going to steal from the left and give to your buddies on the right?
not hating misled trump voters is actually a really good idea and more people need to try it
not saying that the actually insane ones arent worth hating, but some people are just maga bc everyone they know is
What should we do with the ones who voted to hurt others but now want to change sides because they’re being hurt too? Should we ignore the very likely possibility they’ll jump right back to the other side when the Republicans backpedal just enough to no longer look so blatantly shameless? Let them turn against Trump on their own, I just want to keep my distance from these people before they likely disappoint us in the next election cycle.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on…shame on you.’ Fool me—you can’t get fooled again.”
Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.
as long as admitting your mistake isn’t entirely based on leopards eating your face
“they’re hurting the wrong people” isn’t remorse
So you’d rather those who are changing their minds because they are feeling the pain driven back to supporting this shit?
What does a path out of this look like to you, considering about 1/3 of the US voted for this (or seems plausible that that amount voted for it)?
Those upset that they are being hurt when it was supposed to be everyone else. Are no ally. Saying it was wrong to seek harm to others is very different than saying “I wasn’t supposed to be hurt”. They can be useful, but they don’t have remorse.
Yup
Be the change you want to see.
Edit: I mean it as a challenge to the rest of us
Always words to live by
If they’re genuinely apologetic and recognize they made a terrible choice, then yes… Welcome back to reality.
There is a path to redemption, and recognizing your past mistakes is part of that.
Instead of “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”,
It’s “as long as you’re against them, you can be with us.”
And frankly, that’s what we need right now.
First past the post voting is fucking garbage but this is how you’re supposed to engage it; it’s NEVER EVER EVER EVER going to be good for supporting the lesser of two evils.
Instead, the best thing it can ever do is punish the greater evil
And these are VERY DIFFERENT GOALS.
If people were voting to punish the Trump campaign, Kamala would have won.
Notably, people very much voted to punish Kamala instead. Even the ones on the left. And boy did we show her -_- now we ALL get to suffer.
It’s “as long as you’re against them, you can be with us.”
Cool, I’m with ‘Nazis, Pedophiles, and Rapists AGAINST drumpf’, let’s meet up, I’ll bring the gang.
In all seriousness, these people have been cheering on the most heinous shit for years now. Feel free to reconcile with that at your own risk, but leave me tf out.
Listen, if I have a chance to meet up with Nazis, pedos, and rapists, that means they’re all gathered to the same place and I can rid the world of a LOT OF SCUM at the mere cost of my own life and some volatile equipment. Not many people have a chance to do so much good in their life or death for that matter. Let them think they’re welcome until they’re no longer useful. And by that I mean immediately.
There we go!!!
Seems to be a division here based on the (ex)Trumpanzee’s sincerity vs not.
My thought is who gives a shit if they’re sincere? The goal isn’t to convert them, it’s to defeat Trump and people like Trump - if a former Trump voter can be used against him, I have no issues at all with at least pretending to accept that that person is having an authentic denazification. Whether or not they’re truly capable of self reflection is kinda moot
No we don’t. MAGAts are fucking stupid. They knew what they voted for and got EXACTLY what they were told they were voting for.
Perhaps but any kind of effective resistance needs widespread support from anywhere we can get it
This sort of delusional and aggressive thinking just drives division.
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
Yes, and that’s childish and fucking moronic. Do better. I’m admittedly one to over-prepare in general, but I genuinely cannot comprehend why anyone would CHOOSE to not know anything about what they’re voting for. “Oh, I don’t like following politics”. Well, tough shit dumbass; I don’t like feeling like I’m stuck in the geopolitical equivalent of a high school group project with the asshole jock who can’t be arsed to do his portion of the fucking presentation but here we fucking are.
The situation is dire enough that no, I’m not saying we should turn these folks away. We need all the help we can get. But I’ll be lying to them when I tell them I forgive them. I don’t think I ever truly will.
This isn’t partisan, you’re fighting human nature here. Most people aren’t that politically engaged. How many people were surprised Biden wasn’t on the ballot?
Most people aren’t following politics, they follow a vibe that they think about every few years and then go on not worrying about. Things have to get really bad before the average person thinks critically about their political representation beyond sports tribalism.
Every convert is +2, don’t disincentivize that.
I’m not trying to disincentivize that, I’m being honest about it in a forum where it’s highly unlikely they’re gonna read it. How many regretful Trump voters who voted that way because they don’t pay attention do you think hang out in politics threads on lemmy? I’m not gonna turn any away if I run into one in real life but if I’m being sincere, I’m also never gonna be able to fully trust them.
And “being the bigger man” before got us to where we are now. Give them an inch and they take a mile.
The dude instigated 1-6. He is a felon. The economy has nothing to do with it.
Trump voters love to “own the libs”.
Is the liberal version of “owning the libs” also “owning the libs”? 🤔
It’s never to late to do the right thing.
Fuck that. Dems ALWAYS have to be the bigger person because MAGAts are too stupid to see what is actually going on. I’m done bailing their asses out. I’ll NEVER forgive them for doing this, even if they vote Dem in every election for the rest of their lives. I hope they all get exactly what they voted for.
If they’re truly remorseful THEY can fix it first, THEN talk about lessening our hatred for them.
Fuck that. Dems ALWAYS have to be the bigger person because MAGAts are too stupid to see what is actually going on.
No, this is the part where democrats have lost because they moved to the right and have decided that what they really need to do as a result is to move to the right.
Dems are not the bigger person, they are delusional like the Republicans they claim to hate.
