I want to do drugs and ban RFK Jr from TV.
For as many foolish things Kennedy has talked about wanting to institute, a drug ad ban is not one of them. Kinda awesome, actually.
Not exactly worth the damage he’s gonna do, though.
Honestly…… if we can rule out the “vaccine” shit…. Then maybe?
The issue is the people who don’t or who no longer make it mandatory at schools and all of a sudden polio and measles make a massive comeback for the immune compromised
No no, I understand that vaccines are important, you misunderstand my statement.
“If we get rid of rfk’s vaccine bullshit”
I’ll still be in a labor camp for the crime of having ADHD, but sure, take away his stance on vaccines and it’ll all be good
(sorry for being snippy, just pointing out that the vaccine bullshit is just one of the layers of awful he wants to implement, and the drug ad ban is one of the few not horrible things I’ve heard from him)
You’re being overly sensitive here, I gave you the win already.
And no you can’t blame your ADHD for the sensitivity, I have it too.
Chill my guy. I’m no rfk supporter, nor maga enthusiast.
What the hell are you talking about, gave me the win? What does that even mean? That was the only time I’ve ever replied to you.
Whether you meant to or not, you sounded like you were saying the main problem with him was the vaccines, without that he’s not that bad; I was pointing out that he’s promised a lot more bad things than that. I wasn’t even mad or upset or being overly sensitive about it (prickly, maybe, at least in presentation).
I didn’t even accuse you of being an RFK or maga supporter.
And now you’re doing the whole dismissive “don’t be so sensitive” bullshit. Just… Don’t do that.
He’s said he’s going to completely halt all infectious disease research.
Ow my brain.
No, still horrifying unfortunately.
He would be fired by trump before this would happen. The reason it is still allowed is because of interest money and this administration is all about money. The only way I would see such ban happening would be banning those ads on TV while enabling them on social media.
Maybe the play is that he threatens to ban them until drug companies talk to him at a dinner and discuss much needed financial support for this administration’s projects.
That’s how trump works, so it is possible that this is the idea.
Watch what they do, not what they say. Trump makes empty promises all the time. I’m sure the same is true of Maggot Brain.
I believe that wormfood wants to ban the ads, just no way it’s gonna happen.
He’s just copying Canada.
This is like when you get the right answer using the wrong formula
Sometimes even a calculator can be a clock.
8:00:85
Broken clock
yeah curiously this is like the second thing I could actually get behind.
what was the first?
Think he wanted a junkfood tax? Though that could also be thought of as a poor tax.
If it works like Pennsylvania’s soda tax and doesn’t apply to people paying with EBT that would be okay enough for me. Lord knows I could use some outside influence to stop buying junk food.
Would be best to also subsidise the healthy foods to make them cheaper but no way in hell that will happen any red administration.
yeah. I think an outright ban on nasty chemicals would be better probably. No need to tax shit homeless people depend on for survival.
anti corn syrup
Yeah the other thing I agree with him on is bringing in Joel Salatin’s approach to regenerative agriculture. This is all about building up soil health and soil ecosystems rather than conventional fertilizer and heavy tillage.
I don’t think a forced change like that is really necessary The only reason it really stopped in the first place is because corn is so subsidized by the government that it is cheaper and less work to just keep expanding land and planting more corn fields. Stop the outrageous subsidizing of corn and corn based products and it would make sense for farmers to rotate/sustain crop fields and diversify crops.
This “broken clock” is right a surprising amount of the time, just don’t focus on the occasional statement he makes that the corporate media really, really wants you to focus on, they’ve deployed the crackpot strategy on a guy who really just wants you to eat healthy and make your own choices about your health.
He wants to remove approval for the polio vaccine. That alone is enough to say he should go get fucked.
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I don’t know what the hell that noise was! Did he say something or belch?
And yet Trump has been quoted as saying he is all in favor of the polio vaccine and RFK is not nearly as radical as presented.
Wonderful, his boss isn’t as crazy as he is. And his boss is crazy as fuck in other ways.
Please, fuck off.
You are pitifully ill informed and intentionally obtuse.
Says the guy defending RFK. You can’t make up this level of projection.
We all know the traitor is lying about literally everything that comes out of his mouth. Just the fact that rfk would accept a position with a verified seditionist traitor tells me all I need to know about Mr. whale head hacksaw.
Anyone who pays attention to what Trump says and not what Trump does is a fool. Trump is a compulsive liar who constantly contradicts himself, and Trump never appoints anyone to public office for the public good.
I’m not of the belief that the general American public has enough agency or wherewithal to make their own choices about health.
Source: Louisiana… in general.
Odd argument for a thread essentially about advertising to the public directly, instead of health professionals in trade journals.
You’re right. They just haven’t heard it from the right place, yet.
goes back to his crystal and sage healing appointment
Don’t get vaccinated, btw. Heard it from a guy last week at the bowling alley.
You’re not really making a coherent argument here.
I haven’t heard one to rebuke. I’ve mostly just been making fun of you thusfar.
Do you have an argument beyond RFK isn’t that crazy, just… some?
He is a fucking crackpot. Anti-vaccine anti-science worm eaten brained idiotic moron who did heroin for 15 years straight.
Your heroes are insane. You are insane.
You need to actually listen to what he is saying, not what others say he is. Sustainable farming, eat healthy, limit processed oil intake, reduction of pesticide/herbicide/etc use…these are not crackpot positions, simply threats to the corporate status quo.
Lmfao. The traitor and his team are the corrupt oligarch status quo.
I feel bad for you. You’re clearly not mentally equipped to handle the firehose of bullshit from this upcoming fascist regime.
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That’s a coherent argument! But only if you’ve suffered some extensive brain damage.
Ok but that strategy was very easy to implement
Fear mongering. Actually listening to what RFK has to say versus what mass media wants you to think he’s about, very quickly leads to agreeing with the guy on roughly 95 percent of topics.
Nope. Absolutely not.
Source : I’m not a moron who believes his insane bullshit.
Definitely a moron though.
Still smarter than you.
Take it easy, dude has a brain worm
By banning, or even reducing the use of commonly used vaccines, he’s going to condemn thousands of kids to horrible deaths and more to horribly damaged lives. His is not a job where being right 2% of the time is acceptable. And is someone only a crackpot if every single thing they believe is bullshit? Because that’s stupid-ass binary thinking of the worst sort. There are some policy positions that are so destructive that they render a person unfit for any position of responsibility if they espouse them. And RFK has not just one of those, but a whole fucking portfolio.
Rare RFK W.
The other was avoiding processed foods. I’m guessing he won’t be allowed to implement that either when his boss gets a wheelbarrow full of cash from the McClown.
There’s a shot of RFK and the rest of the Dream Team holding a Big Mac somewhere and he genuinely looks like they’ve asked him to pose with a freshly laid dog turd.
Trump is smiling in the picture like he just made his new stooge pose with a dog turd
RFK just looks terrible in every picture I’ve seen
Mike johnson photobombing in from the side, trying to be included.
Even a blind clock is a horse once in a while
A broken horse will lead a man to water at least twice a day in the bush
Seriously, he gives me major whiplash. Like 90% of his opinions are pure bullshit, but I often agree with the remainder.
He also left the dead carcas of a bear in Central Park.
He also drove over 300 miles to cut the head off a beached whale and bring it home.
RFK does a lot of strange things, and i don’t think it was 100% the brain worm either.
He also had a habit of eating raw or even partly rotten meat for a while IIRC. That’s probably how he got that brain worm.
The behind the bastards podcast about him was a wild ride
“When your rich they just let you do it” - Some rich asshole
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RFK makes a lot of good points when it comes to some of his policies. He just sprinkles in being batshit insane takes and takes them just as seriously.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
It’s fucking weird how this motherfucker is against vaccines, for raw milk, but also wants to do things that actually would be good, as well, like this. That worm really did a number on him…
Even a broken clock is right twice a day…
I will never not downvote this statement
Is that because you’re too young to have grown up with analogue clocks everywhere? (Clearly the phrase is wrong if a broken clock shows nothing at all…)
Some kinds of stopped analog clocks are right twice a day. But when people say “broken,” I want to say “mate, you haven’t seen broken if you think that’s broken.” It’s not broken enough unless the pieces will fit through a sieve.
Thanks for assuming you have any idea about me.
But you are very wrong, I’m plenty old enough to know wtf a analogue clock is.
I don’t like the comment because it’s shallow and reinforces the dichotomy of Dem vs Gop
The notion that people are only wrong even if they are right. The idea that a bad person can’t change. Even if they do an empathetic action and care about someone they are still and will only ever be wrong.
It’s internet shallow, it’s a meme catch phrase for the lazy.
The notion that people are only wrong even if they are right.
That’s literally the opposite of what it means though. The point of the phrase is that even people who are full of bad ideas occasionally come up with a good one.
The idea that a bad person can’t change. Even if they do an empathetic action and care about someone they are still and will only ever be wrong.
That requires them to actually change their ways, rather than having a good point mixed in with poisonous ones.
So yeah, RFK is a broken clock.
That requires them to actually change their ways, rather than having a good point mixed in with poisonous ones.
Yeah, a better analogy is the effective difference between eating a shit sandwich and a sandwich filled with 99.9% shit and a speck of perfectly tasty honey-baked ham.
That’s literally the opposite of what it means though. The point of the phrase is that even people who are full of bad ideas occasionally come up with a good one.
Ummm that’s literally exactly what I’m saying. You should re-read my comment cos you completely misunderstood my point
Your exact words were
The notion that people are only wrong even if they are right. The idea that a bad person can’t change. Even if they do an empathetic action and care about someone they are still and will only ever be wrong.
If that’s not what you meant, try to retype your comment so it says what you mean. Because what you said can’t really be parsed to mean
The point of the phrase is that even people who are full of bad ideas occasionally come up with a good one.
Fair enough.
I personally don’t care about the broken clock thing, but a phrase that does annoy me is “if it ain’t broke…” So I can emphasise with the idea that a popular simple proverb often oversimplifies and misrepresents and distorts what people are actually trying to discuss.
That’s the problem with the use of a thought-terminating cliche in a discussion. It’s not directly relevant, it’s not an original idea, and it’s a sign that you’d rather make a time-wasting comment than engage. You’re cutting and pasting, not thinking.
Exactly my point. thankyou
You phrase it much more elocutely though, so thanks for that
Went into reading this comment thinking you were just being a douche. Nope see your point.
It’s pretty understandable, I think. He actually does care about health issues. He’s just cooked in his understanding of how many of them work. He thinks vaccine side effects are worse than their indented effect, etc.
Nobody in their right mind thinks the side effects of the polio vaccine are worse than the disease.
I said I think he truly cares, I didn’t say he’s sane.
in their right mind
Did you forget about the brain worms?
Polio is only one vaccine
He’s a crystal hippie
He’s a weird mix of “cannot be allowed near the job” and great ideas.
Well, two. This and getting the stigma off of psychedelics.
Nothing’s worth having an anti-vaxxer in charge, though. Not even close.
You forgot his third one, he supports stem cell research, which is odd given that his new buddies don’t approve of creating new sources of stem cells (aborted fetal tissue).
Well, IVF is still legal for the time being.
And fun fact! Depending on the facility, if there’s any unused fertilized eggs left the woman/couple can decide to donate them to medical stem cell research facilities.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
This idea has been around longer than RFK Jr. has been relevant in politics. These ads are illegal in most of the civilized world.
The more I read about him, the more my opinion solidifies that his position is simply: be against all of mainstream medicine.
The U.S. and New Zealand are the only countries that allow direct-to-consumer prescription drug advertisements. In the U.S., television viewers are subjected to an especially increasing volume of drug commercials. In 1996, $550 million was spent by pharmaceutical companies on drugs ads. That number increased more than 10-fold by 2020, reaching $6.58 billion annually.
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Acetylsalicylic acid is Aspirin, which normally is sold without prescription.
With the rest of the world OTC medication is still advertised, in US though they also advertise medicine that you need your doctor to prescribe.
The ubiquity of the phrase “ask your doctor if x is right for you” in advertising here is gross.
A stopped clock…
And for the second time already, yikes.
Heh, he’s crazy as all get-out, but I agree with getting drug ads away from the uneducated public. If an ad has to have “ask your doctor about”, it shouldn’t exist anywhere, not just TV.
He just wants this one to de-educate people on the existence of drugs in general, but honestly, if you need to see a doctor to talk about them/get them, they don’t need advertising in the first place. It does open up a bigger discussion on knowledge about the availability of pharmaceutical treatments, though, since some people probably ask their doctors about symptom treatment based on ads. It’s purely reactive and the wrong way to take care of your health, but, I won’t ignore the obviously systematic issues with access to affordable healthcare for proactive care, vs. “make this hurting stop” care.
In Canada, they aren’t allowed to tell you what a drug does in the ad, but they still have them. They try to hint at what they do, or just give you a vibe for it.
The classic example is the original series of Viagra ads.
This is a good thing. His motivation may be more sinister. It could create a situation where non medical treatments can be advertised without restriction and genuine medicines can’t. It needs to be applied to all treatments, even unregulated ones.
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There will be exceptions. Anything endorsed by Dr Oz will be allowed. Anything endorsed by Trump will be allowed.
Ban anything with FDA approval.
Fuck him and his insane and dangerous suggestions about medical stuff.
But “ask your doctor about X” ads where X is a prescription-only drug should definitely be banned. Why the fuck would I ask my doctor about a medication if they haven’t already suggested it to me?
Unfortunately, because it might be the only way to learn about an alternative treatment that wasn’t advertised to your doctor. If a law like this is put into place, it would have to be accompanied by greatly strengthened regulations on pharmaceutical reps too
If a treatment relies on advertising then it probably isn’t very effective. In fact, there’s boatloads of treatments that get approved by the FDA because they meet the minimum standard of “not going to kill someone right away and some folks showed a minor improvement.” It doesn’t mean they’re any good or worth trying just because you heard about them in an ad.
Not only that but doctors know about all the treatments for the things they specialize in. You think they’re living under a rock‽ They know about that treatment X that’s being advertised everywhere but they also know that it didn’t show an efficacy at all at treating your specific condition(s) or they’ll know that the risk it carries outweighs the potential benefits.
Doctors know 10,000 times more than you (or health insurers!) do about what’s medically necessary and/or effective. If a patient suggests a treatment don’t be surprised if the doctor’s eyes roll. “Here we go again.”
Ads for prescription medications are a huge waste of money and they also waste doctors time explaining why they’re not a good idea for all the zillions of patients that “ask their doctor” about them.
It’s really a pain in the ass. People wanting to use stuff just because they saw it on tv. I’m a hospice nurse. Those old people are bombarded with ads and scams.
I can imagine that there are many people with lesser known diseases who only got tested for them because they saw a commercial for a drug for it and thought “hey that sounds exactly like me!”
Buuuuuut these cases would be much better served by a campaign to make knowledge of diseases more readily available through dr office pamphlets, posters, PSAs, etc than commercials by for-profit prescription drug lords.
Unfortunately, because it might be the only way to learn about an alternative treatment that wasn’t advertised to your doctor.
This was almost exactly my situation and I’m still in favor of banning pharmaceutical advertising to the public because those same ads that drastically improved my life have harmed millions of others.
I’m a transgender man, with a moderate needle phobia. I transitioned over a decade ago, and back then testosterone gel was basically never used for transition (the cost was significantly higher and insurance coverage was almost non-existent back then - I did have insurance coverage though) and there was misinformation around it in the trans community in the rare instance gel was discussed - but the only reason I or pretty much anyone else knew it was an option was the obscene deluge of ads for it. I asked my doctor about it and she figured out the dosing for me. It’s been a fantastic choice for me for a lot of reasons beyond just the needle phobia issues.
But testosterone replacement therapy, and Androgel specifically, is a case study in exactly why you don’t want this kind of widespread direct to consumer marketing. Androgel basically created a market for their drug through this marketing. Men in their 60s complained about not feeling like they were in their 20s anymore (without any other negative symptoms of low T) and demanded a medication that could have increased their risk of cardiovascular issues and forced them onto the medication permanently, and they didn’t even feel 20 again because they’re not 20 anymore.
As a Canadian it’s very weird to me that it’s allowed in the USA.
It’s not all that weird when you consider that all of our rules are made with the ownership class in mind.
Company makes more money? That is objectively A Good Thing™ regardless of anything anyone says.
It’s gross :(
As a Canadian who lives close enough to the boarder to pick up US OTA TV, it’s one of the most stark signs you’re watching an American station.
