• jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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    You are looking at job applications from the wrong perspective. You are seeing the job description and seeing minimum requirements, when in 90% they are describing the ideal candidate that will probably never show up.

    And I want to emphasise, you shouldn’t lie, you shouldn’t pad your résumé, but you should also not volunteer to testify against yourself.

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      My wife is super bad at not volunteering information.

      She’s partially deaf and a few other issues that make phone conversations hard, so she often asks me to sit in and listen to explain anything she didn’t catch, and make sure she heard everything correctly.

      I’m often making the neck cut “stop talking/mute mic” motion to get her to stop saying things the other people don’t need to hear.

      For instance, she quit a previous job over an employee basically stalking her while she was on the property, and screaming in her face over any imagined sleight. This employee was a problem with others as well, but who you know is more important than how you work in some places so nothing was ever done.

      The other places she interviews with don’t need the whole back story of why she quit. “Safety concerns” is completely correct, and leaves out the possibility that the new job might think you don’t work well with others. She does. The other guy didn’t.

      So every time she starts telling the potential employer about it, I cut her off to remind her of that.

      I’m very much the “ALL my information is need to know and you don’t need to know” kind of person when it comes to things like that, and she just kind of vomits words all over the place when she feels uncomfortable.

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        i’ve heard the first rule of negotiations is don’t answer any unasked questions.

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          That’s good advice, but my problem is that my line of thought is connected to every other line of thought. It’s quite the task to know where an answer to a question ends.

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      Yes, minimum requirements are not actually minimum requirements. So silly for people taking things literally.

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        That’s the thing, they aren’t minimum requirements. They’re a form that HR fills out based on what HR thinks the job is, not based on what the actual job is.

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            “Minimum Bachelor’s Degree with major in Accounting, Finance or Economics”
            “Prior audit or relevant accounting experience preferred, but not required.”

            Strikes me as “This job can be done by anyone with a high school education that knows how to open Excel, change a cell value, and send an email. Other duties as assigned.”

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            4 days ago

            That doesn’t mean anything, unless you’re in a field with government mandated certifications. If you know someone that already works there, ask them to submit your resume to get around the automatic rejections.

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            I know that’s not the whole job listing, but but none of it specifies a minimum requirement for the job. The ‘minimum’ qualification just indicates that they’re not going to take note of lower qualifications, or those without an appropriate Major, not that having one is a minimum requirement. All things being equal, they’re certainly going to prefer someone with that qualification, but if you can get past the screening and show aptitude with the skills they actually need, you’ve got a chance.

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              I know that’s not the whole job listing, but but none of it specifies a minimum requirement for the job.

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                Yes, that’s saying that a Bachelor’s is the minimum qualification that matters to them, not that having one is a minimum requirement. Don’t get me wrong, if you don’t have one and you’re up against someone who does, they’re going to have the advantage over you.

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        People here expecting a bureaucracy to behave not only like a person, but like a honest and transparent person with simple and plainly stated goals…

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        They’re not usually labeled “minimum requirements”

        That may be what you’re interpreting, but they’re usually titled “ideal applicants will have the following” which isn’t the same thing

        It feels like the same thing to people with rigid views on the world, but they are not the same.

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        Which means the company is lying. Respond to them with this knowledge in hand, any way that you see as appropriate.