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Summary
King Felipe VI of Spain faced a hostile crowd in Valencia, where unprecedented floods have devastated communities, leaving over 200 dead and many missing. Footage shows protesters shouting “murderer” and “shame” at the king, with some throwing objects and mud as he walked through the affected area of Paiporta.
They raped, murdered and pillaged my ancestors and up until the but very distant past. So pardon me for holding a grudge
Much more recently, Germans put a bunch of my ancestors in ovens. I don’t hold a grudge with the ones who had nothing to do with it (i.e. almost every German alive today).
Germany was forced to clean up house, though.
Franco died in bed (in extreme agony, apparently; the only good thing the bastard ever did; but still), naming his successor, whose son is the current unelected parasite on the throne. The dictator’s children and grandchildren are public figures, celebrated and followed by embarrassingly large portions of the population.
The murderers and torturers who worked for him kept their jobs, were forgiven all their crimes, and their children and grandchildren succeed them (old money and contacts in high places go a long way towards winning elections).
The supposed “transition” merely put some new wallpaper on top of the existing structures, with a watered down constitution voted under military threats: vote for it, or else, even going as far as staging a coup attempt so that Franco’s successor could “save the day”, become a hero, and water the new supposed democracy down even further.
Do not compare Spain to Germany. It’s extremely insulting to Germany.
Last I checked, Franco did not sire the entire Spanish population. Who you are blaming for things that happened before any of them were born.
No, but he did kill, or drive into exile or poverty and political irrelevance anyone who didn’t share his views.
Most of the surviving population, especially the ones with economic and political power, were fascists. Their children were fascists. Their grandchildren were fascists wearing progressive masks. And their great grandchildren are fascists who’ve taken off their masks.
When the bastard said he left everything “tied up and well tied up” he wasn’t kidding.
Those people were also Spanish. The ones you condemn for what they did to your ancestors. So shouldn’t you be in favor of that?
Who the fuck would be in the favour of fascists…?
I’m just going with your reasoning.
So there are good Spanish people that are still descended from the evil people who did things to your ancestors and they don’t deserve contempt?
Because that goes against everything else you’ve said.
Other fascists?
Sure mate. I guess you know half or more of spain population to say so…
What you apparently forgot to mention is that even in Germany or Italy, where they “cleaned” the place of fascism are dealing with a raise in fascism. Maybe your vision is slightly biased.
I might have bad news for you: your ancestors raped murdered and pillaged someones ancestors. I don’t even need to know where exactly you’re from to make this statement with full confidence.
So hold your grudge if you want, just don’t be hypocritical about it.
Nah mate, I’m pretty sure the only barbaric civilizations were the European ones. Never heard of any american civilization doing that kind of thing in the past. Nor any asian one. It’s just the european barbarians…
/s (although it should be pretty evident).
Seeing some comments, that /s is pretty much necessary.
Yeah man, my ancestors were raped, murdered, and tortured by a European country in the XX’th century.
I don’t hold this generation accountable for the crimes of their forefathers.
Move on
Most other states tend not to celebrate their raping, murdering, and pillaging as a national holiday, though.
And there’s also the fact that most Spanish politicians are descendants of those that served under the coupist dictator Franco (who nominated the current parasite in chief’s father as his successor), and share the same political views, as does a nauseatingly high portion of the population.
No.
But they get to enjoy the benefits of the criminality of their forebears?
So what"s your solution? Because, as far as I know, Spain doesn’t have an colonies nowadays. And what are those benefits anyways?
All cultures to a greater or lesser extent, enjoy the fruits of raping and pillaging other groups. That is just how it was done for the entirety of human existence
People like you just like to concentrate on your own perceived exceptionalism and that of your group. All this intelectual dishonesty serves to get economic benefit from playing the victim
Genocide and theft are okay because everyone does it?
Tell me that you’re of European descent without telling me you’re of European descent.
You mean like how Chinese, Mongols, Japanese, Namibians, Egyptians, Somalians, Aztec, Cherokee, all raped and pillaged to their hearts content for literally hundreds and some for more that a thousand years, until someone stronger showed up?
Yeah, get a history book
And no, I am not European or American or come from any developed country. I am Latin American, but unlike you, I don’t get my education from internet bulletin boards
Smells like whitesplaining in here…
No. Smells like concentrated ignorance. Read a book. Every civilization did war crimes. Sorry to tell you dear, but eveyry single one did. So don’t be a hypocrite.
You think Muslims conquered all north africa and part of Europe with the power of love and flowers? Or that Japan, in the XX century was just having fun with china? Or that the Aztecs beheaded people but just a little?
Hitites and the gang of Mesopotamia ring a bell?
Technically speaking you’d have to say they did war crimes by modern standards.
A lot of what you describe wasn’t actually criminal at the time, see. It was called “war”.
Doesn’t make it any less horrific, mind.
If they raped your ancestors, which by the way I believe is disingenuous, as Im sure much mixing was consensual (not denying rape though), you are as much the offspring of the rapist as of the raped, you’d do well in starting to acknowledge that you are part of that which you hate.
If a black person has an offspring with a white one, the offspring has the same right to be callen white or black, even though society has’nt realized that yet.