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Vladimir Putin has said that a western move to let Kyiv use longer-range weapons against targets inside Russia would mean Nato would be “at war” with Moscow.
Putin spoke as US and UK top diplomats discussed easing rules on firing western weapons into Russia, which Kyiv has been pressing for, more than two and a half years into Moscow’s offensive.
“This would in a significant way change the very nature of the conflict,” Putin told a state television reporter.
“It would mean that Nato countries, the US, European countries, are at war with Russia,” he added. “If that’s the case, then taking into account the change of nature of the conflict, we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”
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“Vladimir Putin says…”
Aaand my brain switches off. Another red line.
Another bluff. Also, we can just call it “special military operations”.
Also, NATO includes Canada. Not just the US and European countries, like the article says.
Well Putin, if you don’t want a war with NATO, you could always do the responsible thing and get the fuck out of Ukraine and stop launching illegal invasions of your neighbors.
I think the prefix “illegal” is not needed before invasion…
Chapter VII of the UN Charter, I.E. internationally agreed upon law by UN signatories, which Russia as a sitting member of the security council should be obliged to obey, states use of force against another country, especially other members of the UN is prohibited except in cases of self-defense or by authorization of UN Council.
So no, every invasion is not inherently illegal. That’s only explicitly true when you talk about Russia, because like every authoritarian power they only care about rules when they benefit them.
Wtf ? Is there an example of UN-Council authorized invasions?
Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan?
Again? Wouldn’t that be like the fifth War NATO would enter with Russia, according to Putin?
So many red lines crossed its starting to look like a red carpet.
Oh no, NATO is on the brink of starting World War VIII!
Oh no…anyway
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“It would mean that Nato countries, the US, European countries, are at war with Russia,” he added. “If that’s the case, then taking into account the change of nature of the conflict, we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”
Assuming that the implication here isn’t that the appropriate decision would be “Russia’s gonna pull out of Ukraine”, and it’s more “Russia is gonna use nuclear weapons”, I expect that it can be added to this list:
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947
A Timeline of Russia’s Nuclear Threats Against the West
I believe that that would be entry #96.
I’d also add that during the very first statement Putin made announcing the invasion, on February 24, 2022, he ended it with what I imagine was intended to be interpreted as a nuclear threat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_conducting_a_special_military_operation
“On conducting a special military operation” (Russian: О проведении специальной военной операции, romanized: O provedenii spetsialʹnoy voyennoy operatsii) was a televised broadcast by Russian president Vladimir Putin on 24 February 2022, announcing the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Warning against international intervention
At the end of the address, Putin warned other countries against intervening in the conflict, saying:
Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so to create threats for our country, for our people, should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences that you have never experienced in your history. We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made. I hope that I have been heard.[12][10][13]
I don’t have a unified timeline of everyone’s activity, but we authorized military aid the next day, so I don’t think that the statement had a very extensive deterrent effect.
https://www.defense.gov/Spotlights/Support-for-Ukraine/Timeline/
Feb. 25, 2022
U.S. Air Force Gen. Tod D. Wolters, commander, U.S. European Command and NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe announces the activation of the NATO Response Force.
The Biden administration authorizes $350 million in military assistance from Defense Department inventories.
NATO: staying in Ukraine would put Russia ‘at war’ with NATO.
Considering your army can’t take Ukraine, this really a fight you want to pick?
God, it really is the Russian religion that they’re the only strong ones and everyone else is just so spoiled and weak, as your oligarchs tell you, from their mega yachts.
They are both perpetual victims and the strongest kid on the playground at the same time.
Russian cultural paranoia.
They cannot consider themselves safe unless they have a ‘perimeter’ around Russia.
The thing is: that needed perimeter is always growing, eventually your country becomes part of it, ask Poland and later east Germany, Afghanistan, and eventually, your country.
Which is described in Ur-Fascism by Umberto Eco. It’s part of the fascist rethoric.
Ok well I guess we’re all going to be affected. I propose that blender thing for putin when they get him out of the smokey hole.
Wait a seconds. Haven’t they said that they are at war with NATO at least since the started the full invasion?
At this point there is no point in beliving in Putin when he talks about red lines. Apparently he would Nuke the shit out of Ukraine if they entered Russian territory but this has not happened after Kursk…
Well, yes. But this time they mean it. It’s completely different.
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Somebody fucking call their bluff already
They’ve been calling it for basically the last whole war.
In fact, it’s been done pretty masterfully by not making one huge step, but small steps where no single one would force him to do something, but just over time each small step eventually gets to the point where he said he would have to do something…and hasn’t.
his own game
Too late, they already used GLMRS in the Kursk region. Guess we’re “at war” now. I’d argue that’s a laughable position for him to take given Russian agents have been sabotaging European infrastructure all over the place since Feb 22. Letting Ukraine defend itself shouldn’t be controversial.
They can’t even handle Ukraine lol, can you imagine NATO?
Russia have repeatedly admitted it has no chance of beating Nato. Hence the nuclear escalation is the only matter to discuss. A beated nation will press all the buttons.
Doesnt this imply that, for Putin, Crimea and Donbas are not part of Russia? Those have been repeatedly hit by long range western missiles.
Maybe someone should inform the Russians living in those areas that their leader thinks less of them than other Russians.
His soldiers don’t much care for Kursk either. Since they are looting it for all its worth.
Awkwardly ignoring the nationals in the Somoa, Guam and Virgin Islands. You can even make a case for Wales and Ireland. This is unfortunately common the more I think about it.
Lol. Ok. Let’s see what little Vlad Puta calls “war”. What a scared little bitch he is.
They’ve been launching cyber attacks at USA for years. Are they not at war yet?
This is exactly the point. They are already at full throttle war with the West. The only further escalation they could make would be nukes, which would be their end, NATO can take out all of Russias nuclear capacity and win the war in Ukraine all with conventional weapons.
Not to mention, Russia has been waging asymetric warfare tactics against NATO powers for years. If anything, it’s that they haven’t woken up to the nature of the conflict.
