So the genocide is going to stop if Republicans win right? …Right?? I mean it’s not like presidential candidates are signing bombs used on children saying to finish them… riiiight?
Biden doesn’t need my support right now. He needs it on election day. Until that day I’m going to criticize his actions (or lack there of) and how he runs his campaign (as is my right as an American) because he’s doing a bad job (again) at making people want to vote for him.
It shouldn’t be this difficult to beat an open fascist like Trump, but Biden is putting forth only token efforts to actually earn votes. He can stop payments to Israel. He can stop weapon shipments to Israel. That would earn him votes on the left, but he’s too busy courting the right to bother. Too busy arguing with the ICJ that what’s going on isn’t genocide.
Yeah, Nikki Haley signed some bombs. Joe Biden signed the check that paid for them (metaphorically).
Biden doesn’t need my support right now. He needs it on election day. Until that day I’m going to criticize his actions
Excellent take. We can all be in agreement that Biden deserves criticism and needs to change positions, and then vote for him unhappily on election day if nothing changes. We don’t have to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Did you miss my first three sentences? I can still be critical of a candidate that I plan to vote for. We all should be more openly critical of the candidates we support. It promotes better candidates and lowers the tribalist walls that keep us insulated in our echo chambers.
Context clues my guy, when my feed is flooded with Genocide Joe memes because it’s an election year and various interests are trying to dissuade people from voting so Republicans take power, it’s pretty easy to tell what this meme is doing.
You think genocide Joe memes are to dissuade Republicans from voting for Joe Biden? You think someone concerned about genocide would vote for Trump for Biden? What?
It’s about voter disillusionment. Make a big show about Joe Biden sending weapons to Israel equating that action to being the mastermind behind the Israel’s genocidal campaign and distracting from the fact that trump will literally open the floodgates of our weapons stockpile to Israel accelerating tje genocide and get people who begrudgingly vote for biden because he’s the less awful choice to reconsider voting at all.
Do you think maybe this is something beyond just trying to get people to vote for Trump? Maybe people just really hate genocide and don’t like the idea of voting or supporting someone who is okay with it?
Think maybe there are third party options?
Do you think maybe the electoral college and the stupid voting situation in this country has made it so many people have an opportunity to vote third party while their state still goes to Biden??
Listen all I’m trying to say is people have a ton of different reasons to call out Joe for his support of genocide. You immediately defending it makes you and the things you stand for look bad because you’re defending genocide. Just saying
If anytime someone brings up how the current political establishment are aiding and abetting genocide and that’s a bad thing and you immediately start defending them. You are defending genocide. 🤷
That’s why I asked who said anything about voting for Trump. I’d shoot myself in the head before I did that. You know when I’m not going to do pretend like genocide Joe’s not a f****** genocide enabler. Cuz I don’t defend genocide or people who help commit them. You should try it real easy.
Read what I’m saying, this kind of messaging not about convincing people to vote for trump, it’s about convincing people not to vote at all. Which always helps Republicans, and if they win, will 1000% accelerate the ongoing genocide. Doing nothing lets evil men get away with anything. And right now, for me, it’s about damage minimization and maintaining pressure to reverse the policy.
So no I’m not endorsing genocide by saying that trump getting into office will absolutely make the situation worse.
Do you think maybe the electoral college and the stupid voting situation in this country has made it so many people have an opportunity to vote third party while their state still goes to Biden??
Calculating whether you can safely throw your vote away to a third party candidate is a next level strategy.
Yes, thank you! If you were to go through my comment history, you’ll see me arguing for voting for third parties in non-swing States. I also cite that if any of those third parties gets 5% in the vote, they get public funding in the next round as well as a chance to actually contend.
My vote is probably going to end up going for Claudia de La Cruz or Dr. Cornell West. Because I live in a hard blue state that will not change.
Another comment cuz I want to elaborate the problem is the Dems are controlled opposition. They pretend to be leftist and say they want to do the right thing but they never do. They’re always a couple votes short or just somebody turned on them or something always goes wrong. Obamacare was even a right-wing idea that came out of the heritage foundation. That’s why it sucks.
So solution we need an actual left-wing party. How do we do that without majorly screwing ourselves?
The only way I can think of outside of a violent revolution is slowly gaining control of a third party election after election to the point where it’s a viable contender and can win.
The only alternatives are violent revolution and continuing to pick the lesser of two evils and continuing to have the most important election of our lifetime so far every election. We need to do better. We need to organize.
Being complacent with where we are, especially with enabling genocide will only put us on the chopping block eventually.
You’re at a work retreat for a month, and management is taking a vote on what to get for food. Word is that everyone else is about 50/50 split between BBQ ribs, and pepperoni pizza. You’re a vegetarian, what you’d really like is Indian food, but the only ones interested are a handful of other vegetarians. If ribs win, you starve, if pizza wins, you spend the next month picking off pepperonis. How do you vote?
Edit: lots of downvotes, but not a single answer. What a shock.
Again, no one said anything about voting for republicans. How about you try on this hypothetical:
You’re president of the USA and the country that receives the highest amount of your foreign aid is committing genocide. If you continue sending billions in dollars and weapons then you lose votes, but if you stop supporting genocide, then you gain votes. How do you president?
But I’m not the president, I’m a voter. I’m not talking to the president, I’m taking to a voter. Hypotheticals about being the president offer no insight into beneficial behavior for myself or the one I’m taking to. Hypotheticals about voting strategy do.
No-genocide hasn’t been on the ballot for many, many years. Turns out, the voters who feel strongly enough about this particular genocide for it to affect their vote are a fairly small fraction with characteristically low turnout anyway. Sadly, not really worth actively pursuing as a candidate.
Your choices are between measured diplomatic tolerance of genocide, and enthusiastic acceleration of genocide (with a couple other genocides thrown in too). It’s a close race. No genocide doesn’t have a chance, and voting no genocide increases the odds of enthusiastic acceleration of genocide.
No-genocide is on the ballot right now and it’s being made loud and clear, but biden is choosing to ignore it and people like you are trying to shame the people who care about genocide into not caring about it with hogwash like this:
I care about genocide, which is why I’m trying to minimize it by preventing Trump from getting into office. Y’know, they guy who thinks Israel should’ve gotten it over with already? People like you are trying to shame voters into letting the guy who wants more genocide into office. Congratulations, you’re voting for more-genocide.
Don’t bother with them. They’re just a bad-faith actor who goes everywhere they can to peddle “Well, aktually, voting for MORE genocide is GOOD” bullshite.
Are you bragging about not understanding American elections, being an actual fascist, or deliberately voting against your personal interests? It’s gotta be the fascism right? Who would brag about being ignorant or counterproductive?
So the genocide is going to stop if Republicans win right? …Right?? I mean it’s not like presidential candidates are signing bombs used on children saying to finish them… riiiight?
Its not going to stop no matter who wins.
It’s the American Way™
Biden doesn’t need my support right now. He needs it on election day. Until that day I’m going to criticize his actions (or lack there of) and how he runs his campaign (as is my right as an American) because he’s doing a bad job (again) at making people want to vote for him.
It shouldn’t be this difficult to beat an open fascist like Trump, but Biden is putting forth only token efforts to actually earn votes. He can stop payments to Israel. He can stop weapon shipments to Israel. That would earn him votes on the left, but he’s too busy courting the right to bother. Too busy arguing with the ICJ that what’s going on isn’t genocide.
Yeah, Nikki Haley signed some bombs. Joe Biden signed the check that paid for them (metaphorically).
Excellent take. We can all be in agreement that Biden deserves criticism and needs to change positions, and then vote for him unhappily on election day if nothing changes. We don’t have to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Better the devil we know than the ones explicitly telling us they will be worse.
Did you miss my first three sentences? I can still be critical of a candidate that I plan to vote for. We all should be more openly critical of the candidates we support. It promotes better candidates and lowers the tribalist walls that keep us insulated in our echo chambers.
Who said anything about voting for a republican?
Context clues my guy, when my feed is flooded with Genocide Joe memes because it’s an election year and various interests are trying to dissuade people from voting so Republicans take power, it’s pretty easy to tell what this meme is doing.
You think genocide Joe memes are to dissuade Republicans from voting for Joe Biden? You think someone concerned about genocide would vote for Trump for Biden? What?
It’s about voter disillusionment. Make a big show about Joe Biden sending weapons to Israel equating that action to being the mastermind behind the Israel’s genocidal campaign and distracting from the fact that trump will literally open the floodgates of our weapons stockpile to Israel accelerating tje genocide and get people who begrudgingly vote for biden because he’s the less awful choice to reconsider voting at all.
Do you think maybe this is something beyond just trying to get people to vote for Trump? Maybe people just really hate genocide and don’t like the idea of voting or supporting someone who is okay with it?
Think maybe there are third party options?
Do you think maybe the electoral college and the stupid voting situation in this country has made it so many people have an opportunity to vote third party while their state still goes to Biden??
Listen all I’m trying to say is people have a ton of different reasons to call out Joe for his support of genocide. You immediately defending it makes you and the things you stand for look bad because you’re defending genocide. Just saying
I’m defending genocide by pointing out Republicans will accelerate the genocide if they win by people deciding not to vote?
Yes.
If anytime someone brings up how the current political establishment are aiding and abetting genocide and that’s a bad thing and you immediately start defending them. You are defending genocide. 🤷
That’s why I asked who said anything about voting for Trump. I’d shoot myself in the head before I did that. You know when I’m not going to do pretend like genocide Joe’s not a f****** genocide enabler. Cuz I don’t defend genocide or people who help commit them. You should try it real easy.
Read what I’m saying, this kind of messaging not about convincing people to vote for trump, it’s about convincing people not to vote at all. Which always helps Republicans, and if they win, will 1000% accelerate the ongoing genocide. Doing nothing lets evil men get away with anything. And right now, for me, it’s about damage minimization and maintaining pressure to reverse the policy.
So no I’m not endorsing genocide by saying that trump getting into office will absolutely make the situation worse.
Calculating whether you can safely throw your vote away to a third party candidate is a next level strategy.
Yes, thank you! If you were to go through my comment history, you’ll see me arguing for voting for third parties in non-swing States. I also cite that if any of those third parties gets 5% in the vote, they get public funding in the next round as well as a chance to actually contend.
My vote is probably going to end up going for Claudia de La Cruz or Dr. Cornell West. Because I live in a hard blue state that will not change.
Another comment cuz I want to elaborate the problem is the Dems are controlled opposition. They pretend to be leftist and say they want to do the right thing but they never do. They’re always a couple votes short or just somebody turned on them or something always goes wrong. Obamacare was even a right-wing idea that came out of the heritage foundation. That’s why it sucks.
So solution we need an actual left-wing party. How do we do that without majorly screwing ourselves?
The only way I can think of outside of a violent revolution is slowly gaining control of a third party election after election to the point where it’s a viable contender and can win.
The only alternatives are violent revolution and continuing to pick the lesser of two evils and continuing to have the most important election of our lifetime so far every election. We need to do better. We need to organize.
Being complacent with where we are, especially with enabling genocide will only put us on the chopping block eventually.
You’re at a work retreat for a month, and management is taking a vote on what to get for food. Word is that everyone else is about 50/50 split between BBQ ribs, and pepperoni pizza. You’re a vegetarian, what you’d really like is Indian food, but the only ones interested are a handful of other vegetarians. If ribs win, you starve, if pizza wins, you spend the next month picking off pepperonis. How do you vote?
Edit: lots of downvotes, but not a single answer. What a shock.
Again, no one said anything about voting for republicans. How about you try on this hypothetical:
You’re president of the USA and the country that receives the highest amount of your foreign aid is committing genocide. If you continue sending billions in dollars and weapons then you lose votes, but if you stop supporting genocide, then you gain votes. How do you president?
But I’m not the president, I’m a voter. I’m not talking to the president, I’m taking to a voter. Hypotheticals about being the president offer no insight into beneficial behavior for myself or the one I’m taking to. Hypotheticals about voting strategy do.
Cool, who do I vote for to stop genocide?
No-genocide hasn’t been on the ballot for many, many years. Turns out, the voters who feel strongly enough about this particular genocide for it to affect their vote are a fairly small fraction with characteristically low turnout anyway. Sadly, not really worth actively pursuing as a candidate.
Your choices are between measured diplomatic tolerance of genocide, and enthusiastic acceleration of genocide (with a couple other genocides thrown in too). It’s a close race. No genocide doesn’t have a chance, and voting no genocide increases the odds of enthusiastic acceleration of genocide.
No-genocide is on the ballot right now and it’s being made loud and clear, but biden is choosing to ignore it and people like you are trying to shame the people who care about genocide into not caring about it with hogwash like this:
That is a ridiculous string of words.
I care about genocide, which is why I’m trying to minimize it by preventing Trump from getting into office. Y’know, they guy who thinks Israel should’ve gotten it over with already? People like you are trying to shame voters into letting the guy who wants more genocide into office. Congratulations, you’re voting for more-genocide.
Don’t bother with them. They’re just a bad-faith actor who goes everywhere they can to peddle “Well, aktually, voting for MORE genocide is GOOD” bullshite.
It’s never for them, it’s for the on-lookers who might think they have a point.
As an onlooker, I’m happy to inform you both that I’ve been convinced to vote third party thanks.
Are you bragging about not understanding American elections, being an actual fascist, or deliberately voting against your personal interests? It’s gotta be the fascism right? Who would brag about being ignorant or counterproductive?
Which candidates did that? Or do you not mean literally? 🤔
No I mean literally. Nikki Haley is signing bombs headed to Israel, most likely for use in Rafah, writing Finish Them on the bombs.
Holy shit. I honestly thought this was bullshit so I had to look it up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/us/politics/nikki-haley-finish-them-israel.html
What in the actual fuck
Wow. They really buried that one… I’m not sure if I’m glad I asked or not
I’m not sure what you have set up on your lemmy, but there’s been a few posts on lemmy.world that picked up some traction.
The bombs don’t kill as many children if you (edit:) don’t sign them.
What the fuck?
Whoops, edited.