So, uhm, what the hell is going on with all these ad posts I’m seeing in this community?

  • @SorteKaninA
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    Whenever you see something like this, please just report the post as spam, block the user and petition your community moderators to recruit more mods, especially in other time zones.

    Even better, volunteer as mod yourself.

    Also please tell your admins to use an application rather than just the captcha - the captchas are easily broken.

    • @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee
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      231 month ago

      We also need shareable blacklists if they federate as well then that would be ideal. Surly someone can write a community thats a bot that gives democracy to blocklists.

      • @CrayonMaster@midwest.social
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        131 month ago

        Not necessarily a bad idea, but most the spam I’ve seen is from new accounts on larger instances, so I’m not sure it’ll help with this.

        • @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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          101 month ago

          Seems like a user pattern that should be fairly detectable. Might not be a bad idea to scrape logs to look for spammy/copypaste comments, particularly on very new accounts, and either flag them for manual review or just ban them outright.

        • HubertManne
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          41 month ago

          yeah usually less than an hour to a few hours old. occasionally they make it to days.

      • HubertManne
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        91 month ago

        I wish there was a seperate block as spam that would auto report. Some things I block due to lack of interest but others spam and our current report takes more clicks than I like. Then I would also like to be able to subscribe to peoples spam block list. If I like the cut of someones hib I might just subscribe to block any spam they block.

          • HubertManne
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            51 month ago

            yeah I want as much power pushed down to the individual as possible. I was even thinking you just sorta have recommended mods. like by default you are subscribed to their block lists for the community but if you subscribe you have an option to see unmoderated or such.

      • @SorteKaninA
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        61 month ago

        Some instances may not want to use democracy to decide on what to block. But some web of trust would be nice perhaps. Like I trust an instance and if that instance blocks another instance, maybe I’d block it too.

        • @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee
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          31 month ago

          I thinking more on a per user basis content tagging should defiantly have blacklists as well. But tags arent a thing yet?

          • @SorteKaninA
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            41 month ago

            I don’t think they are. The closest thing is hashtags but tags aren’t really a thing in ActivityPub as far as I’m aware. This kind of system will also always depend on people correctly tagging their stuff of course.

      • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏
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        61 month ago

        Somewhat already exists, called Fediseer

        There are a few other instances that subscribe to lemmy.world’s censures list on there

        • @muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee
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          -21 month ago

          Is that a content blacklist or a federation blacklist cos i left .world cos they kept degenerating with people.

  • ben
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    251 month ago

    Bots and lack of mods on different timezones most likely.

    Would probably make sense to have an account age requirement and comment requirement before posting somehow.

    • @SorteKaninA
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      341 month ago

      account age requirement and comment requirement before posting

      This can also be very unwelcoming to new users though. Reddit often feels like a closed place because so many subs have karma requirements. I’d prefer we didn’t go there.

      We should rather stop allowing sign ups without an application. The captchas are not good enough.

      • just another dev
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        191 month ago

        We should rather stop allowing sign ups without an application. The captchas are not good enough.

        That’s near impossible to enforce, due to the federated nature. Server admins could whitelist which instances they trust, but I don’t think that’ll do much good from a community point of view.

        Perhaps a sticky to find better moderator/timezone coverage could help. (And for that matter, I wouldn’t mind stricter moderation on post relevance - not all news about tech companies or events that just happen to take place online is tech news, imho)

        • @SorteKaninA
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          21 month ago

          near impossible to enforce, due to the federated nature. Server admins could whitelist

          What if you could automatically federate with any instance requiring an application, but anything else you would need to whitelist? Maybe that could work.

          • just another dev
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            81 month ago

            I’m no federation expert, but I think if you could convince your own instance admin, or the one hosting this community (lemmy.world), to do so, you’d be good. But that would potentially affect a lot more users than just the ones in this community, so they might take some effort.

            Also, I’m not aware of any tools that could automate this for you.

            • @SorteKaninA
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              31 month ago

              I know there isn’t anything like this now, I’m basically just theorycrafting how it should/could function :)

      • @moody@lemmings.world
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        111 month ago

        If you think that’s unwelcoming, applications are even more so. Most people don’t want to fill out an essay just to be allowed to participate.

        If I had to fill out an application, I wouldn’t be here, and I’m sure a lot of others wouldn’t be either.

        That’s not to say that better methods shouldn’t be implemented though.

        • @SorteKaninA
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          61 month ago

          An application doesn’t have to be an essay. Feddit.dk has an application that literally just requires a sentence or two. It’s really not a big barrier to entry.

          • just another dev
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            41 month ago

            For that matter - I’m okay with filtering out people who think it’s too much effort. Quality over quantity.

            • @SorteKaninA
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              21 month ago

              Exactly my thoughts as well :)

        • HubertManne
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          I agree here. Filling out an application would have easily kept me out. Many may see that as a good thing though :)

      • @givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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        21 month ago

        This can also be very unwelcoming to new users though.

        For like the first week of posting…

        Then it’s never an issue again.

        But it’s hard for trolls and bots to build that up for every account.

        Theres been more than a few that just keep making new accounts on small instances the second they’re banned

        • @SorteKaninA
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          81 month ago

          It is an issue if you change instance, which you may do more often than creating new accounts on traditional social media. And again, I just find it kind of unwelcoming.

          Maybe automatically creating a report to just check the post for spam when a new user posts would be nice? Then a mod can check it out but it’s not removed automatically or blocked.

          • @givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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            21 month ago

            It is an issue if you change instance

            Again, only for like a week…

            There’s no valid reason to keep constantly churning accounts.

            • @SorteKaninA
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              There is if you wish to change instance, for example if your admins do something you don’t like. That’s a perfectly valid reason.

              We can disagree, it’s okay. You don’t have to downvote just because you disagree.

                • Richard
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                  51 month ago

                  nothing you’re saying is contributing to a meaningful discussion

                  The difference between them and you is that they are indeed contributing to the discussion and attempting to propose solutions on how to handle the situation. You, on the other hand, seem hellbent on enforcing your point of view without the slightest willingness or empathy to consider the issue from their perspective.

    • HubertManne
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      41 month ago

      I think this would be great to limit this. I really don’t understand people wanting to comment right away. I just lurked for like a month to get a feel before I decided to participate.

      • @1984@lemmy.today
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        11 month ago

        I don’t know. Only reason I create an account is to comment and post. Why otherwise have one?

        • HubertManne
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          to subscribe and get a curated list of what you want to look at. I can’t imagine lurking without subscriptions to what im interested in.

      • @QualifiedKitten@lemmy.world
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        11 month ago

        A brand new account doesn’t necessarily mean the user hasn’t been lurking for a while. I lurked on Reddit without an account for years before creating an account there, and during the Reddit drama last year, I lurked here and a few other places, but didn’t create an account anywhere until I actually wanted to participate.

        • HubertManne
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          11 month ago

          I bet you will make one a day sooner if you know you won’t be able to post for day.

  • @paf0@lemmy.world
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    121 month ago

    Saw that too, it’s annoying. In a weird way, spam kinda legitimizes this platform as a Reddit alternative.

  • @Ekybio@lemmy.world
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    101 month ago

    No idea, but I notice it too

    Just blocked and reported an account and the single shill-post it produced. Not sure what to do about it, maybe we need more mods

  • @drawerair@lemmy.world
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    What do you mean? When I lurk here, I ignore the sites that Idk. I rely on sites that I know are legit like Verge, Techcrunch, Engadget, Cnbc, Bloomberg, Ars Technica and Electrek. The sites that Idk may be legit too but I don’t wanna spend much time researching the legitimacy.

  • @jet@hackertalks.com
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    51 month ago

    There’s room for innovation. If enough people downvote, or flag a post, and those people have enough interaction with the community, let’s say posting credit, or comments, or account age etc etc etc then a bot could auto remove posts. Kind of like craigslist does, or at least put those posts into a quarantine queue until a human can release it

    • @SorteKaninA
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      141 month ago

      There’s many problems with automatic removals though. It can be abused for instance.

  • beefbot
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    -141 month ago

    If you have heard the term enshittification, then you know exactly what the hell is going on 🤷‍♂️ I don’t like it either, but it’s every social network, every time 🙄🤷‍♂️🙃

    • @ripcord@lemmy.world
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      How could it be enshittification? The Lemmy operators have no profit motive here.

      And what actual event are you basing this on in the first place, since we don’t know what OP is even talking about ?

      First, you’re making assumptions about who’s doing what that are probably completely wrong.

      Second, doesn’t sound like you understand what that word actually means. It doesn’t mean just “stuff gets worse eventually”.

      • beefbot
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        Alwuys right replyguy go brrrrrrrr

        Edit: reply-account with multiple days of edgelordy responses designed to get engagement, but kinda failing at it, go hurrrr