Alright, what exactly kind of evidence do you think is possible to gather in this situation? Realistically speaking? Am I to ignore my eyes and (metaphorical) ears because they aren’t a scientific study?
Rigorous studies trump anecdotal evidence, but anecdotal evidence trumps a complete absence of evidence.
A collection of posts, perhaps already deleted and in the mod log? Any users you have personally seen and reported simping for China that the mods continue to have around anyway? Mod policies publicly making this okay? A meme page in love with toltalitarianism?
It doesn’t have to be a scientific study… just any kind of evidence other than “trust me bro”.
Don’t ignore your eyes, but also don’t be so damn pretentious. Show us what you are seeing.
Don’t ignore your eyes, but also don’t be so damn pretentious. Show us what you are seeing.
If I got through the trouble of digging them up for the nth time, what will it take for you to admit that I have a point? Give me a rough number of examples and what criteria you need to accept them as legitimate. I’ve crawled through this shite too many times only for commenters to backpedal and say “Well, that’s not upvoted enough/not in the right community/not enough examples” to go through it blind again.
You’re generally honest in your arguments, at least insofar as we’ve interacted, but I really fucking despise wasting my time. So I do have to insist on you giving your criteria to accept the examples.
Give me a rough number and criteria, and I will gladly hop over and drag out whichever you want, the ‘Sinophobia’ bans and/or the assorted tankie bullshite.
If you have dug them up N times, just paste them here? No? Just a whole dump of everything you got or an old comment would do.
Your reply implies I would readily dismiss the evidence… is there any reason you believe that?
You are wasting everyone else’s time by making claims you can’t back up. I am saying this as someone who hates any authoritarian regime and will do anything to avoid it becoming a reality. We both hate tankies.
Seems like lots of people in the comment section are also talking about what their eyes are seeing and it contradicts your claim. So whose eyes shall we trust?
From my limited and personal experience of the .ml instance, I don’t see any of this happening, just lots of tankie-boogyman rhetoric. But my observations are not enough to make a conclusion. And neither are yours. That’s why we need to back it up with evidence. Do you have any indication of any communities on .ml where the mods let this happen openly? If so, please link it.
If you have dug them up N times, just paste them here? No?
Yeah, if I had a better search option for my ~7000 comment long comment history, that might be viable.
Your reply implies I would readily dismiss the evidence… is there any reason you believe that?
Yes. Because people are generally stubborn and reluctant to admit that they’re wrong, or that their skepticism is wrong. And because I’ve done this song and dance numerous times before in which the person I was responded with 'No TRUE Scotsman’d their way into rejecting everything I gave them and demanding another dozen fucking examples.
Seems like lots of people in the comment section are also talking about what their eyes are seeing and it contradicts your claim. So whose eyes shall we trust?
Lots of people in this comment section are talking about the exact same thing - several people are discussing their personal experiences being banned or banned pre-emptively for going against tankie rhetoric. Are we reading the same fucking comment section?
From my limited and personal experience of the .ml instance, I don’t see any of this happening, just lots of tankie-boogyman rhetoric. But my observations are not enough to make a conclusion. And neither are yours. That’s why we need to back it up with evidence. Do you have any indication of any communities on .ml where the mods let this happen openly? If so, please link it.
Man, it takes ten fucking seconds of hitting ‘search: local’ to find out any of this shit, or listening to half the fucking commenters in this very thread. If you’re expecting an asspatting tone in that context, you’re out of fucking luck.
Right okay. I was not aware that there are only two… and I think .ml is general use. If anything I thought it was short for machine learning, like .io is short for input/output.
.ml was the domain for the country of Mali. Still is, actually - there was even some light panic a few months ago when Mali started changing terms for usage of the domain. It was chosen for two reasons - one, because the domain was free at the time of Lemmy and Lemmygrad’s founding, and two, because ml is also short for Marxist-Leninist.
I don’t know more you want. If effusive praise of Stalin (and quite clearly not in a sarcastic way; being light-hearted about white supremacy doesn’t make 4chan suddenly a bastion of tolerance, for example) and denial of the Holodomor isn’t enough to be a tankie, I really don’t know what the fuck is.
Alright, what exactly kind of evidence do you think is possible to gather in this situation? Realistically speaking? Am I to ignore my eyes and (metaphorical) ears because they aren’t a scientific study?
Rigorous studies trump anecdotal evidence, but anecdotal evidence trumps a complete absence of evidence.
A collection of posts, perhaps already deleted and in the mod log? Any users you have personally seen and reported simping for China that the mods continue to have around anyway? Mod policies publicly making this okay? A meme page in love with toltalitarianism?
It doesn’t have to be a scientific study… just any kind of evidence other than “trust me bro”.
Don’t ignore your eyes, but also don’t be so damn pretentious. Show us what you are seeing.
If I got through the trouble of digging them up for the nth time, what will it take for you to admit that I have a point? Give me a rough number of examples and what criteria you need to accept them as legitimate. I’ve crawled through this shite too many times only for commenters to backpedal and say “Well, that’s not upvoted enough/not in the right community/not enough examples” to go through it blind again.
You’re generally honest in your arguments, at least insofar as we’ve interacted, but I really fucking despise wasting my time. So I do have to insist on you giving your criteria to accept the examples.
Give me a rough number and criteria, and I will gladly hop over and drag out whichever you want, the ‘Sinophobia’ bans and/or the assorted tankie bullshite.
Before I give any criteria, let’s discuss this:
If you have dug them up N times, just paste them here? No? Just a whole dump of everything you got or an old comment would do.
Your reply implies I would readily dismiss the evidence… is there any reason you believe that?
You are wasting everyone else’s time by making claims you can’t back up. I am saying this as someone who hates any authoritarian regime and will do anything to avoid it becoming a reality. We both hate tankies.
Seems like lots of people in the comment section are also talking about what their eyes are seeing and it contradicts your claim. So whose eyes shall we trust?
From my limited and personal experience of the .ml instance, I don’t see any of this happening, just lots of tankie-boogyman rhetoric. But my observations are not enough to make a conclusion. And neither are yours. That’s why we need to back it up with evidence. Do you have any indication of any communities on .ml where the mods let this happen openly? If so, please link it.
Yeah, if I had a better search option for my ~7000 comment long comment history, that might be viable.
Yes. Because people are generally stubborn and reluctant to admit that they’re wrong, or that their skepticism is wrong. And because I’ve done this song and dance numerous times before in which the person I was responded with 'No TRUE Scotsman’d their way into rejecting everything I gave them and demanding another dozen fucking examples.
Lots of people in this comment section are talking about the exact same thing - several people are discussing their personal experiences being banned or banned pre-emptively for going against tankie rhetoric. Are we reading the same fucking comment section?
https://ibb.co/zsbr6MW
https://ibb.co/TTbQDmb
https://ibb.co/JHM8357
https://ibb.co/CWkzC31
https://ibb.co/zsbr6MW
Thanks for the links. I will read them.
But man, fuck that tone of yours, it sucks.
Man, it takes ten fucking seconds of hitting ‘search: local’ to find out any of this shit, or listening to half the fucking commenters in this very thread. If you’re expecting an asspatting tone in that context, you’re out of fucking luck.
As I said, your tone sucks ass.
I am expecting a normal amount of decency. I understand it’s hard when you assume EVERYONE is up against you. I would drop that of I were you.
So when you say .ml instances, you mean lemmygrad specifically? I am asking because my understanding is that .ml is just a domain extension.
So are you thinking that tankies are using .ml as some kind of code? Or do you mean specific instances that happen to share the .ml domain extension?
When I say ML instances, I mean both of them. If your question is about lemmy.ml specifically
https://lemmy.ml/comment/9357163
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3344278
https://lemmy.ml/comment/9361212
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3374274
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3041340
https://lemmy.ml/comment/2489986
Right okay. I was not aware that there are only two… and I think .ml is general use. If anything I thought it was short for machine learning, like .io is short for input/output.
I think there are only two.
.ml was the domain for the country of Mali. Still is, actually - there was even some light panic a few months ago when Mali started changing terms for usage of the domain. It was chosen for two reasons - one, because the domain was free at the time of Lemmy and Lemmygrad’s founding, and two, because ml is also short for Marxist-Leninist.
You are not going to like this…
Some of these are memes. Some ard discussions. I see the point in a few. Have you tried reporting them?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3396945
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3671013
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3852561
https://lemmy.ml/comment/2122831
I don’t know more you want. If effusive praise of Stalin (and quite clearly not in a sarcastic way; being light-hearted about white supremacy doesn’t make 4chan suddenly a bastion of tolerance, for example) and denial of the Holodomor isn’t enough to be a tankie, I really don’t know what the fuck is.