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Twitch Updated their Sexual Content Policy:
- Changes: Certain content now allowed with labels
- Artistic Nudity: Permitted under Sexual Themes Label
- Game Nudity: Contextual; labels necessary
- Body Painting: Acceptable with appropriate label
- Mature Games: Label generally covers content
- Stream Visibility: Impacted by content labels
- Twerking, grinding and pole dancing are now allowed without a label.
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Just become a soft-core porn site at this point, Twitch.
🤔 In away they did that already with the new rules.
It’s hard to do that officially when a big chunk of users are minors. Neither Twitch nor the streamers of this content want to admit that they make money serving softcore porn to kids. Cause that’d be weird.
That’s right. Doing it is one thing but admitting what you’re doing? Too far
Tbh, the entire internet is full of softcore porn and has been for decades where kids can see it.
OnlyFans-Lite
Only(noctua)Fans
That’d be far higher quality than twitch is capable of.
Now that’s worth a subscription
I love this. Gaming and porn at the same place. It’s honestly really nice
Can you imagine going back in time and telling your dad while he’s playing on his commodore 64, “In the future sex and video games will go hand in hand.”
Hate to tell you, but your dad was playing Strip Poker on the C64.
Leasure suit Larry, he had to trial and error the questions to prove your over 18 because he didn’t know enough about taxes
Not my dar, nooooooo.
They have for a long time already. Look at any video game ad from the 90s
Amazon doing their own OnlyFans for minors. Who woulda thunk it.
Will some streamers link their OnlyFans on Twitch with the help of third party apps, like Linktree. So they’re half way there.
This way Amazon doesn’t lose the user to OF or anywhere else clicking off to another site.
I’m fine with that, provided they lock it behind a separate paid tier payable only via credit card. That’s the best age gate imo because you have to be 18+ to get a credit card and parents should be tracking their statements anyway.
I remember being a minor before twitch. Watching porn on the internet wasn’t the task you’d think it was without twitch.
at least those sites tell you to not enter if you’re under 18
Damn well if the site says so
Read the article before commenting
So do channels. Idiot.
As if that matter though.
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Porn is artistic nudity.
That’s the Infinite growth model for you.
If it grows infinitely, contact your doctor instantly!
And also if you manage to do that, you should contact the Clay Mathematics Institute as well, you’re likely eligible for a free $1 Million.
I’d argue that it can be, but often times isn’t.
I watch it for the plot.
That’s why it’s legal, it became a first amendment issue.
People in this thread really pretending they have kids in order to get upset about implied nudity. It does not get more american does it? Some chick showing lots of boobie sure seems to be the same like a girl getting banged by big dick to many here.
Also if you actually think that some nudity will wreck your kid but watching gta does not i am not sure why anyone bothers arguing with you.
Manipulative, interactive sex workers are not the same as “nudity”.
It’s funny to be when the moral compass types let their misogyny show so clearly. Like you’re not going to even try to hide that while trying to claim the moral high ground?
Yes there are bad sexy streamers there are also good sexy streamers, but you can’t even imagine that a sexy girl could also be intelligent, funny, and entertaining. Compared to the dudebro react streamers and souless gameplay streams you normally have to wade through they’re a much higher class of entertainment, at least they’re making their own content and showing some personality.
They are tho.
Nuh uh
Ah hah
It’s just 4 comments in here that are complaining. It’s not a lot. I think you’re overreacting
A limply worded comment is overreacting? Id hate to see you act
E: its funny I got downvoted now that half the thread is about exactly this, leaving the weakly worded comment completely accurate
I know of families who walk naked around the house. No kids under 10 were harmed by this. Nudity is natural. Reacting to it in an unhealthy manner is not.
Nudity is not strictly porn, but not all nudity is strictly harmless. Platforms like these are for clickbait and attention whoring, and there’s no better way to get attention on the internet than sexual content (especially on a website mainly used by kids/teens).
And it’s basically universally accepted that porn is harmful to children. We all watched some of it when we were young, but most people had circumstances that limited their exposure or access to it. A modern mainstream addiction machine like Twitch serving softcore porn to children under the guise of “artistic nudity” is going to fuck people up. That’s not even mentioning the “cam whore” aspect to it, which does frequently fuck up the lives of fully grown adults.
What sites are parents supposed to allow their kids to access if rules like this start slipping in? Short of invasive AI scanning, it’s not possible to monitor every single thing your child watches on a site at all times.
I am always so interested by these types of comments. Lots of words, no substance. HOW will this cause harm? Is it the nudity? Is it the platform specifically? Is Twitch now more harmfully addicting due to there now being nudity? Was access to Twitch not harmful, or was harmful, before? In excess? In moderation?
Give us something if you’re going to be throwing verbal hands. I neither agree nor disagree with this decision by Twitch, mostly because I honestly dgaf and strongly feel parents have a responsibility to learn how to limit access if it is needed. Having worked with parents a LOT, many of them are happy to shove responsibility for their children onto others, while simultaneously making outrageous demands and incredible accusations. I don’t see why this situation should be any different.
i think the problem a lot of people (myself included) have specifically with nudity on twitch is with the streamers whose streams are basically just porn. now there’s nothing inherently wrong with porn, nudity, or sex work on the internet or in real life, but the issue comes in when you put people who are essentially sex workers on the same video game streaming site many young people visit for non-sexual content. now porn is available and popular on their favorite game streaming site, and it is being forcibly recommended to users who have never browsed that category of content on twitch before.
pretty much all i watch on twitch is super mario 64 speedruns, but 9/10 times when i log in my first recommended channel is a streamer with their tits out doing jumping jacks in a hot tub or something. i can only imagine this is happening to a large percentage of other users as well, including younger users who could be easily manipulated by an attractive and interactive woman online heavily incentivizing them to donate money.
it basically boils down to: i don’t care that porn is on the site, but it should not be recommended to people who are not already browsing that content as that is not what i’m there to see.
edit - re-reading the changes, i’m hoping that the stream visibility and content label changes would fix this issue.
This is essentially how I see it also.
The changes over the years allowing non-gaming content have allowed some really cool stuff to be showcased, but it also opened the floodgates for a lot of low effort softcore camgirls. I’m cool with sex workers making a living, but it would be nice to filter them out. Twitch has done a lot of work on discovery over the past year or two that’s been positive at least even if the site is awful when not logged in.
I think the impact of these changes will really depend on the how Twitch chooses to allow monetization. Given the changes to aggressive ad-focused monetization recently I think that will be the big decider for what this means.
Unfiltered visibility of things is usually my problem and concern for my kids on video platforms.
Thanks for the measured response! I can agree with this. There is inherently nothing wrong with nudity or sex in general. In fact a healthy relationship with nudity and sex likely supports good development. I don’t need to go much further to support this argument than to point out the myriads of people damaged from strict religious upbringings. That said, it does need to be filtered and enforced properly. Buried even where it had to be actually found, or specific settings activated that are otherwise automatically turned off.
I think if these and/or similar steps were done many of us wouldn’t be bothered.
Yeah that poster comes off as brainwashed by the puritanical side of the usa. There’s nothing inherently damaging about seeing a naked body.
Wow it’s almost like you didn’t read the comment at all they literally said in the first sentence not all nudity is porn lmao.
As far as damages from PORNOGRAPHY, which is what they said, yeah. It can be pretty damaging.
Well, I have a headache now. I had forgotten how poorly written some of these published papers tend to be. Anyway, sorta long summary after skimming a few of the studies and that meta-analysis:
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The meta-analysis worked through data obtained in a range from 1967 to 1995. It found that the consumption of “explicit pornographic material” appears to create a mostly consistent change in the behavior of adolescents and measured in four categories. I’m on mobile so I won’t go back and grab those categories, though the participants are mostly balanced between them. It should be noted that this analysis is trying to push a hard need for practical findings in our modern day despite only taking information from the range provided. Moreover, there is an air of bias regarding the findings.
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Other studies have concluded, in general, that while we believe there is an increased risk of early sexual development and even deviance, it has been difficult to replicate these consistently.
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Most studies conclude that modern consumption of media by teenagers may or may not increase the risk of deviancy many of us would consider stereotypical risks that teenagers take.
Basically, science is struggling a bit to show a positive correlation. They think there might be something there, though looking at research into other types of media you’ll find similar findings.
Not to mention that the metric of ‘sexual deviance’ is ill-defined and multi-variate. If sexual deviance is of a sexual health and safety orientation, then the obvious confounding factor is the historical use of abstinence-only education in this cohort (from 67-95). If the definition is speaking towards sexual violence and improper consent, then I think the conversation should include how healthy and consenting behaviors are being properly depicted outside of pornography as well as within, because simply not ever being exposed to sexual depictions doesn’t address the origins of anti-social attitudes toward the opposite gender and sexual frustrations of involuntarily celibate men. Domestic violence exists even outside a sexual context.
Not addressing those issues is how you end up with senile men like Dennis Prager who believe rape is morally permissible inside a heterosexual marriage.
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I’m struggling to understand how the claim ‘pornography causes sexual deviance’ is different from ‘violent films and video games cause violent tendencies’
What universe do you live in where thats accepted knowledge? Cause its not the real one, thats a pretty frequently debated topic.
I would like to learn more on a sentence you casually dropped
it’s basically universally accepted that porn is harmful to children
It would be interesting to read some studies and what is the definition of “children”.
In other word I think that assertion is undebatable for a 6 year old… but what about a 14yo? And a 17yo?
That’s why I don’t monitor it. If I don’t trust my kids on a site, I ban it so they get no access to it whatsoever. If I trust them, I don’t have any restrictions on the content they can access on it.
For example, I trust Netflix’s kids mode, but my kids can easily switch to my profile and see stuff they shouldn’t. I trust them to only watch on their profile, and if they violate that, they lose access to Netflix entirely. Adult content doesn’t appear on their home page, and it doesn’t even appear on my home page (as in, the trailers usually don’t have the intense parts).
I feel like if I restrict it, they’ll be more curious about what they’re missing, whereas teaching them to avoid stuff in their own teaches discipline and builds trust
WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
Every single time, anything and everything…
You must realise no one buys it, right? Like you know everyone sees straight through your pearl clutching?
Are you implying those streams are not gonna be overrun with incels sending hundreds of dollars in donations to get sent some nail clippings?
Man you need to hang out someplace that isnt 4chan
It’s hilarious to me seeing comments like this because in your head there’s no room for doubt, you know exactly what these streams will be like and can firmly declare that in public - it doesn’t even come into you mind at all to consider they’re popular things which mean a lot of people will have done something you haven’t and actually watched them.
You might as well tell people they are not good parents if they allow their children the moral ambiguity of playing cowboys and indians and watching pirate of the Caribbeans with that sort of level of logic. Sometimes the biggest caricatures are those accusing other people of being it. Sorry for offending your sensibilities for thinking there should be enough distinction as to keep children away from prostitution. Is clicking on a different url for the same thing really that hard for you?
If you think this is protistution your comment sure might make sense. Have fun.
Thank fucking god the rest of the world isn’t as deluded as the people in this thread: https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/15/twitch-rolls-back-artistic-nudity-sexual-content-policy-ai-nudes/
It’s funny how much your interests align with those of pedos, just because you can’t click on another f-ing link for content and stream hosts that already exist for porn.
Not sure why you bring that topic. People injecting this topic everywere unbidden are a little bit concerning to me and should do some soul searching.
You, meanwhile, will be forever completely immune to it, it seems. Thank fucking christ there were people with fucking brains and who are actually virtuous instead of just virtue signalling to get the decision pulled back.
Can somebody please just link the boobs
She was actually fully clothed!
If you want to see her porn: https://www.pornhub.com/gif/36941951
Nice
🤣
I wonder how many non-nsfw streamers are rejoicing because they no longer have to be paranoid about modded games and nudity. Prior to twitch relaxing rules regarding nudity, you could get banned for a split second of nudity in a modded game, and official nudity/sex scenes in M-rated games were playing with fire (technically allowed, but up to an admin’s discretion if you were trying to “stream porn” or just playing the game as intended). At least I’m assuming these new rules will include further relaxing the game content rules. It wouldn’t make sense to allow full “artistic nudity” if you’re still banning streamers because of a few frames of modded tiddy.
The term for non-NSFW is SFW.
Automated ATM machine
Chai tea
I remember watching a streamer do a nudist run in. CK2 or CK3 (forget which), and they were super nervous about what might show up on screen on accident.
Imo, that’s just ridiculous, so I’m glad they have relaxed the rules a bit. That said, I’m also sad that Twitch is courting so much non-gaming content, they really should just have that under a different brand. Maybe labels will help, but I really don’t want to have to wade through so much non-gaming stuff to find a new streamer to watch.
3; 2 didn’t have body models, only 2D faces (and event artwork, but there was no nudity in that).
3 has full 3D body models, which are used for events, court, and so on, and it’s not unusual to encounter characters (often your own) who prefer to be in the buff, for religious or cultural reasons or due to specific events, traits, or bugs.
The art isn’t suggestive in any way either, yet streamers were still worried about getting strikes because of it. So I’m glad the rule is loosened up a bit for that reason, not as happy about the non-gaming applications though (that should be on a separate sister-site; maybe social.twitch.tv or sexy.twitch.tv).
I wonder how many non-nsfw streamers are rejoicing because they no longer have to be paranoid about modded games and nudity
Probably in the single digits since at this point nobody actually expects twitch to treat the rules as if they evenly apply to everyone
I’m surprised how much pearl clutching there is in this thread. This seems like a good thing. It’s all supposed to be clearly labeled, and if people want to watch streams with nudity, what’s wrong with that?
The twitch boob meta always fascinated me. It’s literally trivial to not watch thirst streams if you don’t like thirst streams. But people on the internet get so fucking upset about it, and I assume at least 100% of them consume actual porn.
For me it’s how popular and accessible twitch is for kids.
I’ve never really used twitch for anything except getting drops for games (160p and muted lol) but every time I see titty streamers getting recommended despite never watching any
Everything on the internet is easily accessible by kids if the parents aren’t doing any supervision.
It’s not the same, porn you have to search out. They’re already on twitch for other reasons and are far more likely to be suggested/shown more vulgar content like “artistic nudity”.
If they can google search for twitch, they can google search for porn. They already know. I mean, come on, you were 14 once.
If they cant google search for twitch, then they shouldnt be able to change the channel to boobie streams for the same reason they shouldnt be able to change to any other non-kid-friendly stream. Thats part of being responsible as a parent.
I dunno, this doesnt seem like that big of a deal.
i kinda agree, but i seen like youtube kids, where kids that don’t know how to search spend the day there, or not actually, twitch never marked for the same kids that youtube kids has counted for, hmmm, idk
This is the double standard I hate so much about violence / porn / swearing.
Kids are watching ultra violent game streams? No one gives a shit.
The second a bad word has been said on a stream or a bit of nudity is shown, people are losing their god damn minds.
Short explanation of part of my issue with it:
There’s a big, important difference between watching violence in video games/movies and watching a cartel execution or someone being run over on LiveLeak.
There’s also a significant difference between “a bit of nudity”, even contextually appropriate full frontal, and eroticism.
Kids probably shouldn’t be watching ultra violent games, but that doesn’t mean porn being accessible for minors is not a far more dangerous problem. There is no double standard, because these are two different things. Porn is neurologically addictive. This is an established medical fact. Exposing a minor to more and more sexualized subjects is what groomers do. Interacting with strangers sexually over the internet is not something that should be normalized for children.
For me it’s how popular and accessible twitch is for kids.
You mean, as opposed to the notoriously unpopular and inaccessible PornHub (among hundreds of others)?
If my child is on twitch, I can reasonably assume it’s for game streaming. If my child is on pornhub, I can assume they are watching pornography. I dont like having that line blurred.
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It’s not the same, how many children are going to pornhub to watch video games and happens to see and click on a recommended stream for actual porn?
Your false dichotomy does not hold up.
Yep. It’s a lot easier to block Pornhub than it is to block porn on Twitch but leave the rest of Twitch unaffected.
twitch could block mature content behind an account, and only if that account is +18
I was thinking more from a parent’s point of view. It’s a lot easier to block a whole website than parts of a website.
Personally, as long as kids are getting access to good sex ed I don’t see any issue with them stumbling across sexualized content online. We all did it at some point in our lives, digital or not. It’s a part of growing up. I also don’t think sexualized content should be seen as more problematic than violent content. If anything it should be less problematic (and to be clear I don’t find either to be an issue personally)
The women in Twitch use sex and interactive false sexual interest and love to get people to give them money and buy them gifts. In some ways that’s worse for kids than pornhub porn. Do you expect a 15 year old boy to be able to avoid the “stripper really loves me” trap?
Then it sounds like your actual problem is with a certain pattern of behavior rather than nudity/sexuality itself. So maybe you address your actual concern rather than something tangentially related.
While porn sites are well protected behind a question. Ultimately it’s up to parents to monitor their kids media consumption.
As if I wouldn’t know how to block domains and IPs on my router
most parent don’t even know that the router can be configured, how could they block IP
Yeah I guess I don’t really give a shit what other people’s kids do
You may want to. You will eventually be interacting with them. Or your kids will.
I am not responsible for ridding the world of maladjusted assholes. I simply do not have the energy.
If there is no other imperative for caring about something beyond “but what about the poorly supervised children?” then that thing is generally going straight to the bottom of my concern list. If the worst thing that poorly supervised children get into is cleavage on twitch, then I’d actually call that a pretty massive win.
How will 14 year olds accidentally seeing a boob on twitch instead of doing what most 14 year olds do by actively searching out porn-esque content going to turn them into a person I dont want to interact with?
Yup, I’m not letting my kids on Twitch because of that.
I hate kiddie accounts, so if I don’t trust my kid to browse a service safely, I ban it. As they gain my trust, I open up the services I allow. For example, I used to have a “no YouTube” rule, now I let my oldest (10yo) to browse on his own, provided he tells me what he wants to watch. If I catch him watching something he knows I don’t approve of, he’ll lose that privilege until he regains that trust.
Twitch will take a while.
The problem, at least to me, is the wildly inconsistent application of the rules. Plenty of streamers have gotten bans for inappropriate content for far, far less than this, and been told to shove it when they tried to appeal. I can guarantee you nobody would be up in arms over this if twitch just treated it as a free for all, and didn’t care if people streamed tits. The problem is that it isn’t, and lots of people get banned, while the big thirst streamers get given a free pass on everything
Also, If this goes through, the “banned games” list is going to need some real pruning.
Yeah on porn sites.
My only problem with it is that it’s always on the homepage under recommended, despite the fact I’ve never watched any streams like that. Even if I tell the site “not interested” it still shows the content. I only get on twitch to watch content for one game and from a small number of creators.
The thing is, teens with accounts set to 18+ do access twitch. And they are going to be diverted there more and more which can draw viewers away from genuine streamers who are just gaming.
It destroys the brand. The more nudity makes it on the site the more it changes the user base, advertisers change, the whole thing just takes a turn into something completely different
Eh the site was always shit anyways. 🤷
I don’t think people object to it from a moral standpoint, but more from the perspective that it will overtake the content that they want to see.
Gamers mad at women and attractiveness. This is a really hard combo for them.
Nothing new.
That’s not all; certain dances, such as “twerking, grinding, and pole dancing” are now allowed to stream on Twitch without a label, and broadcasts that are labeled with “Drugs, Intoxication, or Excessive Tobacco Use; Violent and Graphic Depictions; Gambling; and/or Sexual Themes” will no longer be allowed on Twitch’s home page.
This is what got me: Now you can have tits out and twerking, but no longer smoking?
Edit: I personally don’t use Twitch nor mind it when nudity becomes more normalised, but as I said in my other comment it’s mostly about weed or just smoking a cigarette while doing something else.
Makes sense. Normalizing smoking isn’t cool. It’s one thing if it’s in a movie or TV show, but Twitch has the pretense of being real people who can have parasocial relationships with their fans and influence their behavior. Kids don’t need to see or be influenced on that level. At least the nudity or sexuality will be properly labelled.
Personally I was thinking about weed; there’s a large community surrounding it and ever since parts of the US started legalising a lot of discussion around it has been popping up.
For example a stream discussing and reviewing different strains could definitely work.I’d actually watch some streamers if they did it like Getting Doug With High
Doug the pepper man? Because thats one streamer I wouldnt watch get high, his content is too thought heavy and directed and getting intoxicated would derail the hell out of that
Getting Doug With High is a podcast by Doug Benson where he invites other celebrities to hangout and get high with him. It’s pretty entertaining most of the time.
The first Eric Andre one is really good imo. Eric said he doesn’t usually smoke because he had a bad experience when he was younger, but in the episode he gets super baked and asks a random person in the studio for a hoodie, and then he just spends the rest of the time all cozied up in someone’s sweater. It’s pretty great.
Smoking kills people.
I don’t think that’s what it’s saying given that “sexual themes” is on this list as well. Seems more like they’re saying “we’re allowing more sexual content if it’s properly labeled, but we’re going to start keeping those labels off the home page, and while we’re at it we’ll take off a bunch of other objectionable content”
Nothing wrong with streaming nudity, but Twitch is specifically marketed to children for the purpose of watching people play video games. Blending porn in that with an algorithm that throws new videos in your face is a recipe for disaster.
Your “supposed to be clearly labeled” argument is really doing a lot of the heavy lifting here and ignores the reality of people gaming the system or finding loopholes and we all know there aren’t going to be any real people moderating the site just like every other social media/video streaming site.
They really should have split it up into two different sites because I see this blowing up in their face spectacularly.
I’ve never once seen these girls on my twitch feed. Also, adult channels would obviously be excluded from children’s feed if they’re set up with parental settings.
Also, anyone who has access to the internet has access to porn if they seek it out.
“Think of the children” is such a boring argument. Grumpy old conservatives said the same thing about music videos in the 80s. Now we’ve got incels raging over naked people on the internet.
Yes, anyone with access to the internet is able to seek out porn which is why it seems unnecessary to risk pushing it in the faces of kids on a site marketed to children.
I find the incel comment hilarious considering you’re the one pushing for more women getting naked in game streaming videos like some thirsty dude.
If a parent doesn’t want their kid seeing something adult on the internet, they shouldn’t let their kid use the internet or only under supervision. Besides, booba isn’t going to affect kids any worse than Twitch chat already does.
Probably correct lol, twitch chat is the worst
Well, that didn’t last long now did it?
Pushing? I don’t care at all. Pushing. Ok. Gamer.
To be honest, you’re making a lot more wild assumptions in this comment than anything I said.
If you’re right, then maybe the system will need some improvements. But it’s all just speculation your part, so I don’t see any reason to worry about it for something so inconsequential to begin with.
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A hear a bag of cookies calling your name
The only thing that really bothers me is that the porn get shoved on the front page.
I wanna open Twitch on my living room TV to watch SC2 and tiveux something is painting her tits on my screen already.
From what I understand, this change will disallow any stream with these tags showing up on the front page. Though, I believe this will still be at the top of the “just chatting” category, so really it’s the same problem.
This for me is the main issue
Just stop watching shit twitch streams like a 10yo
peak reading comprehension
What is there to comprehend? Linkerbaan said they want to watch Twitch but without feeling awkward seeing a bunch of titty girls on their living room TV. Dkarma’s solution is to advise them to stop watching Twitch. It’s not my advice, but the A to B logic is sound.
“shit twitch streams” means they think there are good streams.
The advice isnt abandon twitch. They think the only way boobi streams are on the home page is if the algorithm thinks you watch them.
Which isnt how it works, as streams tagged as boobi wont appear unsearched on the front page according to twitch, algorithm or no algorithm.
They said twitch streams which implies a specific sense, not Twitch in a general sense
Just stop
watching shitusing twitchstreams like a 10yobecause it’s trash software and always has been.FTFY
Nice cool where do I find footage of my competitive game? YouTube?
Yep! Youtube is a great resource for finding footage of competitive games!
Oh great I’ll just switch to the other monopoly, that fixes this! (It doesn’t)
It works fine for me, but I mostly watch one streamer who only streams on Twitch. My ad blocker blocks their stupid ads on stuff I periodically check out that I’m not subbed to (e.g. MP events hosted by someone else), so it’s generally a good experience.
However, the front page is absolute cancer, and it’s why I don’t watch many other streams. I just want my steamer and related content, and a few random favorited streamers from other games I very occasionally watch. I feel a little bad about the ad blocker, but that’s because there’s no in-between AFAIK where I can sub to 1-2 channels and still get no ads on the very rare occasions I’ll watch something else (less than once/month).
What ad blocker?
uBlock Origin on Firefox.
I have ublock, out of the box it does not impact twitch ads in any way.
Do you have special add ons or filters?
I think just EasyList, not sure, it has been a long time since I set it up. Here’s my config though:
My custom rules are pretty barebones, but here’s that as well (I’m pretty sure neither is related to Twitch):
Let me know if there’s a better way for me to help.
I do this with 1 streamer, too. I sub with prime though.
Ive seen the odd stream of a related streamer but normally just catch vods on youtube for anyone related.
Who is your one streamer out of interest?
Mines paymoneywubby.
Ayyy. I very occasionally watch the live stream I usually just catch him on paymoneywubby stream archive on YouTube.
Wubby7
FlorryWorry.
He mostly plays Europa Universalis IV and is incredibly creative and entertaining with his runs. He is also the reigning champ for the Paradox tournaments (undefeated), yet he is still very humble about it. I’m in the US, so I mostly watch his VODs, but I’ll occasionally join live if he’s doing a charity event or something.
I’ll occasionally watch BudgetMonk (another EU4 streamer), or watch some MtG or Eternal (haven’t watched either for a couple years). But 99% of the it’s FlorryWorry or a live event w/ him on another channel (Paradox tournaments are on YouTube, so it’s infrequent).
It’s a great platform, the world let’s you watch whatever trash you love so let other people enjoy what they love
Stop watch porn like 10yo and go find a wife!
Yeah just tie down a poor girl and entangle your finances and entire futures just so you can get off, what can go wrong
Only people over eighteen can see porn online.
Also porn is much cheaper than a wife.
Twitch in 2 weeks : video games? Where?
I mean hot tub streams already exist.
Twitch hasn’t been a “games only” site in a long time.
Didn’t they ban them?
I’m actually not sure, I thought they might have moved them to a different NSFW category than “Just Chatting”. I know a streamer I follow was able to have an onsen stream when travelling in Japan and he didn’t get banned.
They were quarantined to the ‘pools and hot tubs’ category, which presumably modifies what kind of ads run on them.
Yall know there’s free porn on the internet right?
I think a large part of it is the parasocial aspect. People get to know streamers (or at least, the streamer’s persona) and form attachments to them over time. The same way someone wants to see how their favorite character’s arc plays out in a show, people want to watch streamers because they feel a personal connection to them.
Even though that connection is almost certainly one-sided, (except maybe for smaller streamers who actually interact with all of their viewers on a regular basis,) it doesn’t stop the viewers from forming those emotional connections. And that somehow makes them more “real” than some random piece of ass on pornhub.
I think a lot of it stems from loneliness, and wanting a personal connection. Pornhub is great for porn, but it’s undeniably commercialized porn. Lots of people will likely end up viewing nude twitch streams the same way they’d view nudes from a significant other. Even if the quality isn’t as good as pornhub, it may be considered more desirable simply because the viewers feel like they know the person.
That is what has always boggled my mind about all this softcore stuff, like why are you on twitch with your dick out anyway? If you want to jerk off why not just do it properly lol
And now some of that free porn will be on Twitch.
Five years from now, Amazon launches its first premium-only porn site (and then five years more down the road, it will absorb and replace Twitch)
Considering how similar the audience interactions work, I could see Amazon buying OnlyFans and integrating it into Twitch.
then Apple buys it and rebrands it iFap
Or Elon does and rebrands it XXX.
Vin Diesel sues… with his family
There’s also Internet allow only firewalls specially designed for parents who want to implement some control, which isn’t enough when content on platforms decide to saturate their content with that you don’t want to expose your children to. Then, it just becomes an exponential game of having to keep up and adjust each platform’s individual controls when they could have simply kept their adult content elsewhere and have it be easily accessible to any adult who wants to see it.
If you let your kid on twitch, porn is the least of your problems
That’s a good point, but for any media. The problem is identifying something a child can watch and letting them watch it and because of a spur of the moment oversight find them watching something they shouldn’t be because they are not mature enough yet, and the same but having it devolve to extremes. It’s just not that difficult to set up a different domain/service name for it and making it easier for parents.
No, my point is specifically for twitch and other streaming platforms.
If you let your kid on twitch, and you arent locking them in to a pre vetted list of known safe channels, youre letting them expose themselves to far far worse shit than porn.
In the same way that if you let your kid watch netflix or HBO, you dont open the streaming app, hand them the remote, and walk off. You pick the channels or movies they can choose from.
Other media is typically pre crunched into known safety levels. Twitch is a way to watch things, not a thing you watch.
I consider the risk on those platforms much less, and if they begun hosting hardcore porn I would consider only other platforms. Netflix and HBO implement parental controls and involve fixed runtime content, whereas Twitch involves real-time streams and widely differing types of moderation where streamers may be involved in safe and non-safe content, and it lacks the ease of the parental controls of the services you’ve mentioned.
Why do you consider forcing all that micromanagement to parents easier than just moving porn to another domain or under another brand?
You mean, besides the fact that your kids are your responsibility, and not everyone elses?
Or beyond the fact that netflix has the same level of softcore content, and HBO has far far far worse sexual and non sexual content?
Do I need more reasons beyond those?
Fortunately for most parents, most governments disagree. They realize it’s a society problem. But I really hope that they eventually catch up with this type of bullshit in the Internet industry. I know that Steam and other services have begun to get flak for it, specially in countries like Germany.
Click. On. Another. Fucking. Link/Brand. It’s not that hard.
Thank f-ing god that this thread is nowhere near representative of the real world: https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/15/twitch-rolls-back-artistic-nudity-sexual-content-policy-ai-nudes/
Pretty sure twitch is supposed to only be for all 16 plus anyway right I’m sure that’s somewhere in their terms of service that you can’t have an account of your underage.
Yea, sure, Twitch
They were just tired of fielding questions of why the camgirls were exempt from the rules everyone else was following. Now it’s because it’s “artistic”.
What, you’ve never seen someone artistically pole dance before?
No. But I have seen Twitch recommend a stream of a person sleep with their ass artistically posed to the camera about a week ago.
Yes, I clicked on it. It was quite a shapely ass. They had been streaming for more than 6 hrs and had thousands of “viewers” even while ‘asleep’.
So if I paint my cock I’m good, right?
It needs to be visible…
So using the cock as the brush is the way to go, got it
Art nudity. So creating art with your nudity.
Yeah, get that paint out of here!
Get a tattoo. It will last longer
Viral topless “meta”??? I haven’t heard about any topless meta. What have I been missing? The article only references a single instance in which a streamer got banned, and that hardly makes a meta. What has the Twitch streamer community response been?
there is a lot of afaik mostly female streamers, where the game content is secondary to them always being dressed and acting sexualized.
Heck, I’d say if they are actually playing a game and streaming it, then that’s legit… but I can tell you that I’ve seen a lot of “stretching” and “exercise” streams where it’s basically just strategic shots of a girl’s arse. As in, that is genuinely the purpose of the stream. There is no actual exercise happening. Some streamers even have “!phub” in their description, suggesting users type that for more info about the streamer… And the ASMR category seems to be a 25-75 split between people actually trying to do ASMR, and people doing a kind of soft-core porn show.
The worst thing is that if you watch one of those streams, for curiosity, or if you were just in the mood for it, Twitch then makes your recommendations look like a porn site for the next couple of months. (I’m not against porn; but I definitely don’t want to be getting porn recommendations when I go to twitch.)
Death to the algorithm
You can watch in a private session and it won’t affect your front page, I do this if I ever want to watch a video containing an idiot like Joe Rogan or something who’ll get me flooded with right wing junk.
Removed by mod
A quarter of the way into the 21st century and we’re still not sure if a website can be profitable if there’s boobs.
This timeline is dumb as hell.
Nah, they are. Problem is banks. Bunch of weird prudes, and they effectively run the world.
Bankers famously HATE boobs.
People looking for that tend to be the ones most likely to throw money at strangers. Oldest profession continues to be the most predictable among its clientele.
Twitch was good when it was video games only, it really went downhill since Amazon bought it.
“[service] really went downhill since [tech conglomerate] bought it” could be a Mad Lib.
I’ll take “buy out directly leading to enshittification” for 500, Alex
It was never video games only. My first introduction to Justin.tv was the fact that it had 24/7 Seinfeld streams.
It’s fine lol, except they are way too aggressive on ads
You’ve got the history backwards. Twitch is just a spin-off of Justin.tv, rebranded.
