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    “To make the proof”…? You’re supposed to be finding proof, not making it. Ideally before making a big announcement.

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      This is how a lot of conspiracy theorists and dare I say, people on the right see science. They see it as a way to prove their own ideas, not how to find out what’s true.

      Phrenology wasn’t made to find out something, but to justify the social pecking order. The Nazis banned science they didn’t like (what they called Jewish science) and promoted crackpot ideas and hypothesises they did like (what they called German science).

      The trump admin is cutting science for things they don’t like (Trans issues, climate change) and promoting trying to prove what they already believe.

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    Thats called manufacturing results and its a massive nono. I work in a research pathology lab and I’ve refused to do sketchy analysis for clients asking me fudge stuff to fit a narrative. I can’t put into words how irresponsible this is, anyone else would be fired on the spot.

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      That’s all fine and dandy there, Kyle. But have you ever tried doing real science as taught by the “The Institute for Creation Science”? They have so called journal articles and are definitely doing real Science, it’s right in the name. You just need to adjust your definitions of “Science” and “Scientific Journal” and “facts”. I am definitely trusting people who took bus loads of drugs or were dropped on their heads as babies to provide us with sound scientific information.

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      I’ve also dealt with this! Clients loved asking me to lie to the EPA directly. Now that I’m doing medical R&D testing, every so often we’ll have to remind an engineer that “no, we can’t just do more testing and average the results.”

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        Ahh, the good old “stop iterating as soon as results tips in your favour” or “repeat until you get an iteration chain that matches your desire”

        Been there, done that
        It’s normal, when private companies regulate themselves 😌

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      I was maintenance at a marine bio lab, made friends with the techs who work for the senior research scientists. They’re made to create results in a clients favor all the time. In my experience it’s treated as gross but normal, like an old man hanging out naked in the locker room. You don’t get more grants if you prevent the client from doing what they want. It really put a tinge on my perspective of “commercial science”. Even the government funded stuff came with “stipulations” of the results they wanted pretty often.

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      and also peer reviewed research needs to be replicated to verify that it works too. they are probably going to look for an old study, or something, or even a blog to back up thier claims.

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    Start with the conclusion, make up and say whatever BS is needed to support that conclusion, stick fingers in ears and say “lalalalala! You’re attacking me!” When someone disagrees.

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    I can’t imagine what it must be like to be a normal career scientist in the DOH right now. Fucking nightmare.

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    As yes, the scientific method: announce the truth to the world and then go looking for it. An important step (which most amateurs miss) is to ignore everything that doesn’t fit your conclusion. The man is truly a professional.

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      We have been practicing this thought process with religion since time immemorial, it’s programmed into the psyche of probably 70% of the population. Believe things without any proof, then fill in the blanks with stuffing and packing peanuts.

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    He has half of the procedure down. First you assume a medicine is dangerous, but then you work to find out if it’s safe, rather than finding proof it’s not. But you also don’t normally try to find proof that a medicine already deemed safe, is not.

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      Half is way too generous here. Think of a hypothesis, then create a null hypothesis, collect data, analyze data, does that data fit your hypothesis or your null hypothesis? Then examine for any potential bias. He barely has a hypothesis right now.

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      I think you’re on to something. I’m not looking it up (per tradition) but I’m assuming the number of children born and raised in Antarctica with Autism HAS to be pretty close to 0.

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    I really wonder whether this administration is too simple-minded to realize how absurd they are, or whether they don’t care because they know that no matter what they say or do, their behavior will have no consequences whatsoever.

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      I believe there is method behind it:
      Thiel bought the government. Thiel likes Yarvin. Yarvin says “Fuck it all up!”

      Vance cited in his 2022 Senate Campaign Yarvin’s “strongman plan to ‘retire all government employees,’ which goes by the jaunty mnemonic ‘RAGE.’” In a 2021 interview, "Vance said Trump should 'fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, and replace them with our people. And when the courts stop you, stand before the country and say, The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.’”

      Yarvin (…) praised Trump for breaking from Republican practices of trying to “play ball and help the system work” and instead “trying to move all of the levers of this machine that he can move”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

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      I feel like it’s more a reflection of their base. Not all these politicians are stupid. Many have CVs showing very high functioning, sometimes even in academics. I think this is more about how stupid they think their base is.

      Granted a lot of it is them acting outside of their expertise. Ben Carson was a good example. Definitely not a stupid guy but looney tunes crazy as a politician because he was acting outside his field.

      Their are some nepo-trust-fund idiots though. Maybe it’s more like a stew of idiotic behaviors from various etiologies.

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      Observation: autism exists. Tylenol also exists

      Hypothesis: autism is caused by Tylenol.

      Experiment: yes- all the experiments.

      ???

      Profit.

      Seems like theyre following the middle school scientific method to me.