You’re looking at that right by the way. THREE freeway ramps!! I walked this last week and it was genuinely terrifying. The first freeway ramp when coming from the bus stop has NO pedestrian lights or signals.
Also those of you with good eyes will notice that there is NO SIDEWALK south of the bus stop. None. If you want to walk south on that particular street (which is 5 lanes btw) then you have to cross the freeway to get to the other side of the road.
Wait, do you go over or under the freeway ramps? The map makes me think it’s under, but from your description it sounds like you’re going over?
Either way it looks like a very dangerous walk.You go over. You go under the overpasses, but the crosswalks will the on-ramp and the off-ramps are level
This kind of makes me feel that the problem starts one layer before: this are is so spread out. It really doesn’t look like there’s any visible reason for buildings to be so far apart.
There’s so few buildings that yeah, I think one bus stop is enough to serve them as far as amount of users is concerned. But the green could have been around the built up area, not between the buildings. Parking could also be compacted, maybe multi-floor or underground to reduce the surface area.
This post is about the position of the bus stop, not whether it serves the amount of people necessary.
I probably didn’t express myself well. What I meant to say is that with an area so spread-out, any placement of the bus stop would make it extremely unreachable from some other adjacent destination.
Oh woah. Looking at that map gives me culture shock! Is that USA? How common is such a situation in your area?
Very common. NYC, San Francisco, Seattle, and maybe a few other big cities are more pedestrian and public transit friendly, but most US cities are exactly like this. It’s not uncommon to have to walk a couple of miles to a bus stop.
Is it bad it i think that this isn’t that bad at all?
I mean it would be nicer if the sidewalk continued on both sides sure, but freeway enterance ramps are typically about as hard for pedestrians to cross as roundabouts given the slow speed you need to take them and single direction of traffic. It looks like there are even marked crossings and a sidewak, so this walk is very much intended. The freeway itself is grade separated and so not a factor in any of this, and while the road is five lanes it’s a arterial road so that’s quite resonable.
The crossing to the bus stop is a nightmare, there isn’t even a crosswalk there. And considering this is near the freeway ramps, I assume that 5 lane road is quite busy. The rest isn’t that bad. But that one crossing definitely deserves an on-demand stop light or better yet a pedestrian bridge or underground passage.
Are you looking at the same picture? I see a crosswalk from the bus stop side to the median at the nearest on-ramp access, then from that median to the sidewalk under the freeway.
It’s clearly a lot of crossing to get to the bus stop, but the problem here is where the bus stops, not the current crossings provided. There are few other ways to provide non-grade access to a multi-lane freeway. I’m not sure of any which would be workable given the proximity of land use which prevents a cloverleaf, and the addition of one would probably make the crossing even more treacherous. If the bus were simply to add a stop on the (photographic) north side of the highway, up near the commercial entrance, that would be the nominal “solution” and require nothing more than a sign.
It’s really bad. Don’t fool yourself. Typical layout of a car-centric design.
What would improve it in your view? I mean it’s an artery joining a freeway, there’s going to be cars.
Putting a bus stop at those businesses on the other side would help.
At least a small bridge over the multi lane street.
Proper ped/cycle infrastructure is at grade with cars doing the climbing.
Depends on driver behavior where you live, I think. I have zero confidence in marked pedestrian crossings, and expect everyone to take these kinds of ramps as fast as they possibly can, possibly while texting.
As a cyclist/pedestrian always assume that, at best, drivers are indifferent to your well-being.
