I’ve never posted in the community, just found out about the community today. 👀
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I looked at my mod log recently and saw I had a 30 day ban from an AI community for “brigading”. Me and what brigade?? Anyway, nothing of value was lost
In all fairness, if you’re anti-AI and go into pro-AI communities to argue, the ban hammer is an expected outcome.
I’ll ban pro-AI trolling here - same spiel.
People are allowed to like AI - please don’t harass them if you wander into their community. They aren’t there to argue any more than we are here.
We all just want to bitch in peace.
But I never posted, downvoted in the community. And just found out about the community today when I was looking through modlogs. 👀
If that’s the case, then yea it’s a pretty sad power trip on their part.
Some people need a damn hobby…
Sure, nobody ever did anything wrong. That is what they all say.
Your account had to pop-up on their radar one way or another.
I smell only one side of the story.
I’ve seen examples of pre-emptive bans based solely on downvotes in other communities.
Take the attitude elsewhere.
https://pawb.social/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=15088185
Funniest part is that I already blocked both communities.
Yeah the pro Ai mods are ravenous babies.
Congrats on your feed being less clogged with shit now 🥳
Sloppers gonna slop.
You probably downvoted one slop post. Or criticized AI one time.
Just look at the community moderation and laugh.
I have never downvoted AI posts in the community, I just found out about the community today. My guess is because of my stance on Anti Big Tech AI
It’s almost like the crypto, nft, web 3.0 dicks have shifted to the latest grift of the week.
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don’t look at me over here downvoting all the shitty replies
Being anti AI is pragmatism.
which instance is that? dbzer has some AI communities afaik.
This is ridiculous, in part because you post a lot of interesting content across multiple communities. Yeah, some of it criticizes AI but it’s well founded.
I don’t like the Fuck AI or the Pro AI communities here because of how polarized they’ve become. Actions like this make it so much harder to have any kind of discussion.
I think the technology is cool but capitalism sucks. Any time I bring up an interesting application for AI it devolves into personal attacks. Same thing if talk about stolen training data and the psychological impact of AI reliance.
edit: Well fuck me I guess for not believing a technology is intrinsically evil.
There’s been a few discussions about this, you are probably downvoting AI posts and if it’s a pattern (just downvotes without anything else) they see it as non-constructive participation and ban you.
Not saying I completely agree, but I get where they are coming from. Communities should be free from drive-by downvotes, no matter the subject. Even stuff I hate should get a community, it’s up to me to ignore it
i never understood why folks get so anal about downvoting. if I don’t like it, I downvote. it’s my vote. if it’s a “rule” to only downvote people who don’t participate “properly” instead of people you disagree with… I’m downvoting the rule.
if a community can’t handle the “risk” inherent with people disagreeing with them on the internet then they should realize they are not ready for the internet.
shit… I reply about some stuff and let folks know I’m a leftist and … instant downvotes. hrm. 😂🤷♂️
Downvoting has consequences on visibility for the discussion to others. You simply downvoting for something you disagree with means you only want things you agree with visible to read. I believe downvoting should be reserved for posts that actively subtract from the discussion.
However, following the rule of “treat others how you want to be treated”, I have downvoted your post because I disagree with it, and you are communicating thats how you’d like it.
If I’m browsing All and I see something that is promoting a stance that I feel is damaging to society, I downvote it. Damn right! I don’t want the idea spreading.
If I’m browsing All and I see something that is promoting a stance that I feel is damaging to society, I downvote it. Damn right! I don’t want the idea spreading.
I actually had text in my post I deleted because I thought it obvious addressing this. Homophobic, racist, misogynistic, etc post always gets a downvote from me too.
that’s ok with me. :)
i believe downvoting should be something users can use for whatever reasons they deem necessary. after all, it’s there for that reason. if a community wanted me to “explain” why I downvoted, I can safely assume it’ll either unlock that downvote button when I have replied to the thread, or prompt me before allowing the button to be confirmed.
Thats a disappointing take. In public on a street, you’re not prevented from walking up to someone and telling them you think they are ugly and stupid if you feel like it. Your logic is that there should be a law preventing it, and if not, then its absolutely fine to do that thing. I would hope you wouldn’t because you understand your actions have consequences on other people and society even if you technically are allowed to do something.
Its the same thing with the “vote” buttons. You have the power to do something, but you are saying you just don’t care what the consequences to others are from your actions.
a) internet forums are public but they are not “in public”
b) reductio ad absurdum is peak internet. good work.
If you ever wonder why the internet is worse, its looks like its because you’re giving yourself a free pass to be mean. I suppose you can enjoy the world you create for yourself.
what is “mean” about downvoting something I disagree with?
Voting is not supposed to be like/dislike btw. Voting is supposed to indicate the relevance to the topic. In theory this is how the correct content should come to the top and the irrelevant content drops out.
But no one knows that and just votes with emotions instead.
🤷♂️
Voting is whatever the person voting wants it to be. Just because people want it to be one thing doesn’t make it that thing. Some people will vote capriciously, some will vote with great logic. Some will vote emotionally, others will only vote for relevant topics. Vote how you like and stop worrying about a few pixels on a screen. Karma is worth nothing on this site so don’t worry about it unless you want mental health problems.
That’s what’s neat about the internet.
The rules are made up and the points don’t matter.
IIUC, votes are just what Mastodon (or I suppose, more like Pleroma) uses for reactions. I bet there’s no reason we can’t sidevote each other, with a little API shenanigans! Personally, I would like a vote for “I’m not gonna tell you”.
Principal skinner “No, it’s the children who are wrong” meme energy here.
If the vast majority of people are using the system “wrong”, it’s probably not those people’s fault.
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is supposed
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it’s a priori.
if the conversation is supposed to be dialectical then “votes” should not be a thing; this is what comments are for.
“votes” are just a way to make one think it’s democracy in a community with some dopamine feedback when you see your post got 3500 upvotes because you posted a meme.
i never understood why folks get so anal about downvoting. if I don’t like it, I downvote. it’s my vote.
Because it’s a net negative on a community. (gen)AI is already controversial, so if a community wants to grow and get visibility, the last they can use is a bunch of bitter users that downvote every new post and don’t interact with the community in any other, meaningful way.
Zooming out, the AI stuff is a negative for the wider community. Maybe it shouldn’t grow and become visible
Sure, but the community owners can still ban you for trying to actively reduce their visibility.
I’m not saying I’d like that to happen, but it works both ways.
neat. so that must mean they are not ready for the audience.
I grew up with bbs, usenet, forums, fark, yadda yadda. downvotes are there for a reason - and if the community can’t handle it then either turn them off (that’s ok too!) or … ignore them. it’s not like “karma” is a thing here either.
You’re choosing to crush all nuance. Like you are invested in a specific conclusion.
i don’t understand - is there a per-community threshold where a certain low score means it’s not displayed to other users?
What is a thing is visibility. It’s not about karma.
It’s up to you to ignore them, not the other way around. And their community, their rules: they can ban you for whatever they want.
It works both ways. If you can’t handle being banned unfairly, then you’re not ready for the internet.
Per flandish, we can all downvote anything we want for whatever reason we want. But we must be aware that our votes are visible, social actions, and we must accept the consequences that come from those actions, which might quite reasonably involve being excluded from further socializing.
are downvotes visible on a user’s profile? or just in log/mod log details?
It’s meant for mods/admins only, but there are sites that publicize it for the obsessives that need to know exactly who dared to give them a downvote.
100% agree.
the internet is full of users free to use the options given to them in ways they see fit.
i’m banned from a lot of these communities i’ve discovered. i don’t do downvotes of relevant posts in their own communities, i just block such communities, so it will also be based on comment content it seems.
If they live by what they preach they’ll be modding via AI.
i’ve considered this as what’s going on
What about based on being a mod of certain communities? ;)
decent chance lol. but i didn’t ask for this either. it’s like there’s an internet civil war and i got a side assigned to me. i’m not switching sides, i got sorted right, but it’s weird to me, an internet old head
But I have never downvoted AI posts in the community, and I just found out about the community today. My guess is because of my stance on Anti Big Tech AI
It can be, an admin could double check I guess but I don’t think it’s worth finding out.
I blocked them early btw, so I don’t even see them :P
The instance I’m on completely ignores downvotes. They just aren’t a thing. An upvote is an upvote. A downvote is… nothing. It’s a nice compromise. :)
Yeah I like this, it makes karma farming less plausible too. Although imo they should remove all public visibility of votes and just leave the algo to work behind the scenes
There is no algo. Voting is a social action. Fuck the hypothetical algo.
As a lemmy veteran, you should know better: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/03-votes-and-ranking.html
Call it what you want, it’s math to sort posts and comments.
Edit: even better link: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
leave the algo to work behind the scenes
That’s not what is usually meant by that. We had sorting and ranking for literally centuries before what is currently referred to as “the algorithm” on proprietary platforms. But I now understand what was meant, and that it wasn’t important to your point.
hot, active, new, top, and controversial are all algorithms
Yes, assuming that they actually do anything at all, one could call them algorithms. But they are not what is colloquially called “the algorithm.”
What is “drive by downvotes” exactly?
Like seeing the content in your all/new feed, and just downvoting the stuff you don’t like while scrolling past them. Instead of engaging with the community (with comments or nuanced posts) or ignoring them, it’s actively harming communities. Right now it’s easy to hate on AI, but it works for any community.
shitty content should get shitty reviews (downvotes)
Again, easy to say because it’s AI. If you apply this logic to other, less-controversial communities that are honestly trying to make it out there, would you still have the same stance?
Also, don’t take this as me defending AI or whatever. I block all communities immediately.
would you still have the same stance?
yes, some stuff is just bad. I usually downvote and then block the community if it shows up
but I have been on the lemmy now for long enough to have a good collection of communities and rarely use the all set. So I don’t find I have to do this as much anymore.
I actually enjoy going to new and helping things with an up vote even if I don’t really care what it is but it looks like it should get more attention
I mean, that’s fair.
Downvoting the stuff you don’t like is how forums with voting work and I would argue it is engaging with the community. How isn’t it?
I might be explaining it badly. It’s more like targeting. Maybe this thread helps? https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49180918
It kinda sounds like you are almost referring to brigading?
Nah, brigading is more active than just voting.
But it’s ok if I’m “drive-by” upvoting? I basically upvote everything from 196. How is this any different?
