China is Authoritarian Capitalist.
Chinese Capitalism is on one side raw and pure, very cut throat competition, but somehow they managed to contain it so capitalists are not able to have a strong oversized influence on political agenda.
The political elite in China is playing a rather skillful feat to have populist, capitalist and nationalist canceling out each other.
Capitalism is so under control in China that they had to invent the anti-suicide netting for workplaces.
That’s true innovation right there.
Wasn’t that a Foxconn plant in Taiwan?
Not in Taiwan unless we’re counting it as Shenzhen, West Taiwan.
That’s what I mean by saying it’s raw and pure, basically capital are free to squeeze workers; but they are not able to change the political order, eg jack ma had to give up control of his company when he tried to criticize those in power.
Not sure why I got these downvotes. People are upset when hearing some evil is good at being evil?
So Capitalists in China do what they want as long as they don’t interfere with the dictatorship
Not what i would call “good regulation of Capitalism”
It reads that way esp with all the tankies on here but I don’t think that’s what they meant. Just that the leadership is good at not letting capitalism take their authoritarian power via money in spite of otherwise letting it run rampant. Which doesn’t help the people at all but is remarkable in a way.
It’s still authoritarian though.
Edit: Just like US, Russia, UK, and most EU nations to varying degrees.
You mean no country you name is devoid of all kinds of authority?
That’s not what an authoritarian state/rule means.
I know, thats why I said to varying degrees, and most people would argue with the degree, so I just wanted to nip it in the bud.
China and Russia are, from my perspective, the worst of that list. But the US and other Western states are really catching up right now.
Well that’s not how it works, there is no EU country that is autocratic, the USA is not autocratic either. We could argue about Turkey, and Russia is a full blown dictatorship.
It’s like saying your diesel car is “an electric car to a degree”. It’s not true even if there is electricity in there.
is sending someone to prison even though the judiciary system said no, autocratic? (You might think Turkey here, and you would be right also, but I’m talking about USA)
That action only does not make the country an autocracy or every country in the world would be an autocracy. I don’t know what you mean with “autocratic” instead of autocracy, is that just your feeling about it?
Nuance and critical thinking is lost on tankies. Amd
It’s very unfortunate. We need all the left allies we can get in this time of crisis, but tankies choosing to simp for a different form of repressive elite-controlled state to beat the proletariat down with just is… not helpful.
We need a united front against fascism and capitalism, but instead we’re getting offered Thalmann by these folk.
How is a proletarian democracy possible without the capitalists capturing the votes of the majority?
Grassroots organization and education. Fact of the matter is, it’s an ugly, long, and arduous task. But if the Russian people could do it even under the eye of the Tsar’s secret police, we can do the same. After the February Revolution, which dislodged the Tsar but not, notably, the capitalist elites, the (relatively free and fair) elections which followed resulted in a supermajority for socialist parties, with capitalist and reactionary parties receiving less than 20% of the vote.
Even under the Tsar in monitored elections, in 1907, socialist and left-wing parties managed a plurality of 42% before the Duma was dissolved and socialist parties suppressed.
But this was the result of continuous effort for the previous 60 years, not just a sudden outburst of leftist love in the suddenly class-conscious proletariat - and this effort was hampered on several occasions not by mild reformers in some way ‘disrupting’ revolutionary sentiment, but by suppression by archreactionaries which came to power. Unlike us, the Russian people did not have a choice who became Tsar; they could not pick the least bad option even out of a measly two. But we can.
We can win. It’s not hopeless. But we can’t:
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Sit on our asses (as so many Americans are willing to do)
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Bet everything on a sudden and spontaneous wave of support (as some online ‘thinkers’ seem to want)
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Rely on established methods and institutions to represent the changing times (as neolibs will insist on - just one more election cycle bro, then we can REALLY deliver)
We have to organize. We have to educate. We have to agitate. And worst of all, we have to stay the fuck alive 'til then.
But if the Russian people could do it even under the eye of the Tsar’s secret police, we can do the same.
The Tsar’s police was lenient. I don’t remember names but I was surprised by how many opportunities the revolutionists got when reading Wikipedia pages.
We look like people from those days but our mental frameworks are entirely different. The internet offers the infrastructure to organize and educate for free. You can reach almost anybody instantly. And yet, no political movement for the people.
The capitalists have adapted. There is no we. But even if you create a democratic movement, how do you prevent the capitalists from taking over if they can buy the prettier and more eloquent leaders? If you give people the choice they will elect Ronald Reagan.
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