Haven’t seen any chatter here a out the new Murderbot show.
My wife and I are absolutely loving it so far, feels like a really faithful and respectful adaptation to the books, with most of the changes being positive!
Anyone else watching this?
The episodes are too damn short!
Haven’t purchased AppleTV yet but heard great things so far.
I haven’t read the source material, but so far I’m really enjoying it. My only gripe is that the episodes are short, I’d rather 45min episodes.
Yea, its very accurate, a lot of it is word for word, and the character adaptations are great.
They definitely padded it to hit 8 episodes of 45 minutes each (ie, in the books to confirm the map is wrong they all go, including Murderbot, and Mensah doesn’t go on a solo exploration), but defiantly feel more like expanding the world than useless padding.
My wife and I are hooked also. I bought the first book in the series and started reading it, but decided it’s better to not get ahead of the plot, as every episode seems to end in a cliffhanger. (I don’t think that’s really necessary, as the show has enough pull to keep us coming back regardless.) I have a feeling though that once season 1 is done, I’m going to binge the novels.
My boyfriend has red the books and loved them. I’m not into sci fi usually but love the series so far and plan on reading the books in the future. Haven’t been so excited about new episodes coming out in a long time.
yea, the books are great. My wife and i are really looking forward to the introduction of our favorite character ‘A.R.T.’
I cant wait for A.r.t - I hope they don’t change it too much. The next seasons might have to nudge up the budget for some of the scenes in the later books to work. Anyone hear about another book coming out?
It’s fun I like it :)
Only glaring flaw is that I can no longer ignore my need for more murderbot content
I disagree that it’s a faithful adaptation from the books.
There have been plenty of lore and story changes. The overall ‘tone’ is different too. Books are more hard sci-fi.
That being said, I’m still enjoying it as its own thing and I wish the episodes were longer.
My general head cannon for the discrepancies especially with the additions is that the books are written by Murderbot as a record and it has admitted to being an unreliable narrator including glossing over things that it’s not interested in or doesn’t understand the value of. The show is more of a third-person perspective so it’s entirely possible some of what we are seeing was those moments that Murderbot didn’t see fit to include.
I’m enjoying it, though it feels…off? Somehow, likely because its a 30m format, it seems to speed through episodes, or starts to pick up steam then abrubtly ends.
yea,
The books are all novellas, with All Conditions Red only being 160 pages, so im not surprised how short the episodes were. I wish they had adapted the first two books, as 8 1 hour episodes, but loving what they did!
Fitting, then,.for a collection of novellas.
I find the lens they used to film many of the shots incredibly distracting. The bokeh is outta control.
I feel like the changes to characters are really large. The feelings I have from each character in the books and the show are not close enough to be the same character. Mensa is so much more emotional and reactive in the show than she was in the books, but I like both. Murderbot is much more human than in the books, there is way less internal monologue, so it feels very different, but I still love the character in both. Same for all the rest.
As for the story changes, so far it seems good in terms of changing just enough to make it fit for TV rather than doing something insanely different with only a passing resemblance to the books. I like how the violence is shocking, sudden, and really limited. In the books it is not the whole story, one gory moment after another, and I was worried they would get sucked into the trap of violence being attention getting and shocking and therefore needed in huge quantity.
The visuals are excellent. From a purely technical perspective they have done a great job with making something easy to look at, enjoyable to experience, and mostly visually consistent. There have been very few moments where the colour balance is skewed weirdly, where the lighting requires adjusting the screen, or where the volume levelling was terrible. Great production quality.
yea, i feel like the ‘humanized’ all the characters, including Dr Mensah and Murderbot, and added more relationship drama… but the changes feel solid, not changes for the sake of change.
I agree. Subtly different but overall and surprisingly very similar.
Pressure are more hippy like and a little less like the academics in the book which I find just a little annoying but it’s OK (I’m an academic).
One of the things I’m really curious about is how they flesh out the contrast between the capitalist dystopia of the Corporation Rim and the clearly socialist Preservation Aux. I feel like it’s a politically charged topic in the current capitalist dystopia American context (at least that’s how it looks to me from outside America). I keep waiting for them to water it down but they haven’t done it so far. Good on em.
I read all the books, and my only complaint about the show is that the episodes are over too soon. I know it’s different in some ways from the books, but who cares? It’s a great show.
I’m enjoying it. Some of the decisions are a little odd. The thing that’s most distracting to me is that, in my head, Murderbot appears much more androgynous. That might have been hard to pull off, but Skarsgard is definitely male (even without genitalia). Some of the other characters are goofier than in the books, but I kind of understand the choice.
I hope the show gets people to read the books, but the show is entertaining.
Yea, I wish they were both more military look (shorter hair, more armor), and more androgynous… but it was one of the changes i expected to make it work with modern TV.
I’m actually a big fan of that decision.
The idea that non-binary people have to visibly appear non-binary is a harmful stereotype. Murderbot’s physical appearance is a part of its design that it has no control over. Why should it look androgynous? Just because it perceives itself as genderless, doesn’t mean it’s creators did.
I hope the show will actually dig into that at some point. I think it’s really important for people to see an agender character who still has a strongly masc appearance.
In the books, Murderbot is aggressively no gendered. It gets upset at any suggestions that it has sex characteristics. That was enough for me to form a mental image of androgyny.
I mean, it’s fine. They had to go with someone, and that someone was going to have a body, it’s just different from what I pictured.
I think the idea that Murderbot’s conception of its gender conflicts with its appearance of gender is actually a lot more real, and relatable. If Murderbot is simply genderless because it was designed to be genderless, that flies directly in the face of the story’s underlying themes of breaking your own programming and discovering an identity apart from the one you were assigned by society and your expected place in it. So the notion that this thing was designed to look like a very handsome guy, but thinks of itself as having no concept of gender at all seems to fit that much better to my mind. But I get how it’s difficult when you start with a book, form an image of a character, and then get met with something that runs completely counter to that image.
I understand how you feel like that’s a satisfying portrayal, I’m just saying that’s not how it was portrayed in the books. And that’s okay, the director has to make decisions when a book is adapted to the screen. Stanley Kubrick decided that, with the state of the art of special effects at the time, the hedge maze in The Shining would have looked stupid, so he got rid of it for the movie. People were upset that it wasn’t there, but it was probably the right decision.
It’s an interesting point, and I agree with it politically, but in the books it’s made clear secunits look androgynous and non-human.
Some change between media change is always going to happen. I think Skarsgård is doing as good a job as can be done with his face. I’m making peace with it. Maybe the bigger problem is the dismissiveness of the portrayal of Preservation Alliance society. But we did live in the Corporate Rim!
I don’t agree they look totally ‘non-human’, since they are able to pass as human security consultant with little to no changes to their appearance. Heavily augmented, but human enough to pass with little more than a heavy sweater/hoodie and a cap.
Honestly, i love the way everyone of the Corporation Rim dismisses Preservation, they are a bunch of backwater hippies… and the fact they do have a working and strong economy just shows how wrong the CR is.
Same! Skarsgard was very jarring compared to my mental image of Murderbot.
They could of at least removed his hair and put some clear cybernetics. In the books, you couldn’t mistake Murderbot for a human. Even after ART’s modifications (adding hair etc) Murderbot still could only pass as a heavily cybernetically augmented human.
I do fear the shied away from the gender stuff.
The show clearly shows Murderbot as being ACE and uncomfortable with the sexual and gendered reactions of others towards them — which is as important in my view the outward and physical apparent gender.
I do see what your saying, it is just the books have a secunit clearly not looking like any gender. They have skimmed over Muderbot’s disgust of gender and sex, but in the books it is constant theme. It’s visceral.
To have them be genderless is only half way, as secunits, in the books, also look genderless (and not human).
Skarsgård, for a dude, is doing as good a job as he can. Not many known actors could visually do what I’d have preferred, and also can do a ungendered voice. (Any?). I know it’s easier to do it books and realistically they needed a well known actor to pull people to the show.
It’s just…just… That’s not my Murderbot!
I just finished a re-read and I didn’t get a sense that secunits had an agender appearance, this was after Martha wells asked online to find out where a bunch of people got the idea that Murderbot was femme-androgynous so it was top of mind to look for in the books.
In my imagination, Murderbot looked kinda like the player character from the game ‘Citizen Sleeper’, pictured below.
Which is to say, very androgynous and very obviously cybernetic.
There’s quite a bit of character similarity between them too, because the titular Sleeper is a human consciousness in a cybernetic body that has a lot of biological parts, and they are kept loyal to the company who owns them by a drug that will cause their body to break down if they stop taking it. Same intent as the governor module, but a different approach.
I found Murderbot’s physical appearance an important aspect of the books, not just for surface plot reasons (everyone knows they are a bot etc) but because it’s a large part of what people need to overcome from the perspective of seeing past their prejudices.
Not quite as I saw them, but I certainly saw it clearly not human. A composite of plastic, metal and flesh. Comfortable with the label it.
Though the counter to that, I’m sure the books mentions sexbots basically being the same platform as secunits, only with a gender and without built in weapons. With a combatunit being the same again, but with even more weapons (including cyber). Which does say maybe Martha Wells had the platform, without armour, as maybe more fleshly than we are thinking.
The TV series is good, but it’s not as I saw in my head. Other than “Sanctuary Moon”, which nails it.
I am surprised there hasn’t been real unset by fans by giving Murderbot gender. They could have at least picked someone who didn’t look binary. But Skarsgård has got the right character if not the right face.
Yeah, I agree the bots are genuinely "more fleshy"and with skin and such - just saying where my imagination was at - which thanks to the wonder of books can be quite different for different people.
I wish we knew what the motivation was for choosing the actor. The cynic in me thinks they opted obviously male lead to reduce friction and claims of “wokeness” but without some inside insight we can’t know.
I think commercially, they needed a known actor and who can not only look genderless, but sound it? It is easier in books.
I wish all episodes were out all at once - I’d binge the hell out of it.
my wife and I are limiting ourselves to one episode a night, or else we would binge all 6 episodes in one night! we are so desperate that we re-started the series all ready, watching episode 1 after finishing episode 3!
A lot of people are watching it, but I ducked out after episode two. I read the books and I felt like it was overly broad in comparison.
The TV adaptation rushes through the story, and doesn’t take its characters seriously. The books aren’t really a broad comedy like the show. For example, the books were more respectful of gender and sexuality. It wasn’t played for laughs except as the bot’s perspective of how he didn’t relate to it or understand the point of it. Same with a lot of the other characteristics of the humans. The humans in the book aren’t actually bumbling idiots, that’s just how the bot perceives them. I felt like the show was missing the point.
I did enjoy how the tv show portrayed “sanctuary moon” though.
If you haven’t read the books, I recommend them. There’s only like one real clunker in the set.
Absolutely fucking yes w.r.t. the characters being stupid in the show. In the books, the people from Preservation are incredibly competent.
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As an example, book Mensah would NOT have had a fucking panic attack dragging a sensor up a mountain alone because she would not have been foolish enough to put herself in that situation. Book Mensah does not take needless risks. She only does inadvisable things when her moral code requires her to do so.
Mensah and the other preservation folks are acting too much like the corporates. The books show you that living under a corporate boot makes you stunted and limited because that’s a natural consequence of the profit-focused environment they create. Preservation cares about people, so the people from there are well rounded and don’t do stupid things quite as often.
It’s really hurting my enjoyment of the show. Why can’t we have competence porn like we used to with shows like TNG and DS9?
Which did you feel was the clunker?
“System Collapse” (book 7). It was later in the series and it just felt like the second half of one of the books or something. Like filler, or a book written to fulfill a contract.
Hmm, yeah, that one’s maybe not as strong, though I kind of look at Network Effect and System Collapse as one story (confusing because there’s a book in between them, but that one chronologically comes before Network Effect). I liked it, but agree it’s not as strong.
I’ve read the books and thoroughly enjoyed them and am now thoroughly enjoying the show. The emphasis of the show is different, certainly, but in this case I am happy with that. After the first episode in which I was all ‘It’s not that way in the book…’ I am taking as it is.
My SO has not read the books and is also thoroughly enjoying it. It is probably her favourite show at the moment.
It’s pretty good but feels quite basic compared to the books.
