• magnetosphere@fedia.io
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    I wonder: would that region of the world have reached some sort of equilibrium if the rest of the world didn’t constantly fuck with them, or would it just be a different kind of shitshow?

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      Everything improving for the better is part of that “equilibrium.” Peace and stability improves education which just makes everything better over time.

      When Taliban first took over Afghanistan they had banned women from attending highschool. They later opened up “training courses” with same curricilum as highschools that women are allowed to attend.

      Progress is slow, but the many economic sanctions placed on the country doesn’t help.

      Overall situation is still extremely bad there but the reason Taliban got to run that country in the first place is two centuries of imperialism (The British) so more of it isn’t gonna help.

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      Almost certainly the former. Same with Africa.

      Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.

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      Mmm - I think for a particular definition of equilibrium, yes. That definition might be pretty horrible though. And it’s a moot point either way.

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    I don’t have an answer to how to handle the region, it’s beyond me. The Israel state sucks ass and it’s committing genocide.

    But the Iranian state are also extremist and I don’t doubt for a millisecond would do terrible things if it had the support Israel has.

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    Phoebe:

    Who’s bombing Russia

    Who’s bombing Russia

    Who’s murdering Palestinians

    Joey:

    America

    America

    America

    Russia

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    Just discovered this (first link random):

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Terhan+clock+israel+wiki&t=fpas&ia=web

    It’s hard to set points in this story but let’s try it.

    Israel now is kinda theocratic state with a fascist in charge indeed, but Iran it’s no second to it. I hear many talking shit about Us imperialism, never heard a word about China, Russia or Iran’s one.

    Iran is indeed a threat to Isreal (yeah, I know, those dictatorships like to flex bit they’re much worse than they depict). And its imperialism drove to 7/10.

    Israel has in my opinion the right to face Iran, what’s mad is how they’re facing Hamas/Palestinians instead. But we said no? Bibi is fascist to the bones.

    Still, Israel doesn’t want to destroy Iran and has never set a clock to Iran’s destruction.

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      Israel doesn’t want to destroy Iran

      Tell that to all the Israeli politicians calling for Tehran to burn, and bibi saying that they’re trying to kill the Supreme leader.

      Israel definitely wants to force some sort of regime change in Iran. Multiple Israeli politicians have posed with the pretender shah saying he’s coming back any day now, and they’ve tried to decapitate the top of the Islamic Republic multiple times hoping it will instigate some sort of revolution.

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          Yeah, and jews have lived peacefully on Palestine for a while prior to zionism, the destruction of the Jewish state doesn’t mean an end to jews living in Palestine.

          This is assuming that you think “destruction of israel” means destruction of the apartheid Israeli state, which is what I think they mean by it. Israel could also refer to all the jews in Palestine, in which case destruction would mean genocide, that is probably what most Israelis think they mean by it. Depends on how cynical / what side your on as to what you belive Israel refers to.

          I think that those in the occupied territories are more likely to want the latter as they’ve had more antisemitism bread into them by both there culture and repeated bombings by Israel and violence from settlers, but still a majority would want the former. Iran is further from the destruction caused and is more likely to view Israel how the US views Iran, run by a bad regime that once it’s toppled will stop it’s aggressive ways.

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      To my knowledge, Iran and other middle east countries are part of the no nuclear NPT treaties with the US. The only one that isn’t a member of these treaties is Israel. There is no real proof, despite them trying to pull a W Bush ‘they have nukes’ lies-to-war propaganda, Iran has any nuclear weapons. Do you know who does? Israel.

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    Honestly, the whole region would be within their right to leave the place a pile of ash.

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      iirc, they tried, and when the us intervened they put sanctions on the U.S. …yeah, the U.S. didn’t take economic sanctions for thier war crimes very well and uh, committed more war crimes.

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        You mean 1973? That was retaking territory they had lost in 1967. By 1973 Israel’s existence was a fait accompli and they really weren’t going anywhere. The war crimes bit is true, however, though it’s a small comfort that the Oil Crisis precipitated the economic crisis that got Reagan elected.