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Ngl this mene unnecesarily divides people more than anything.
No socialists and “tankies” I know IRL don’t deny Uyghur genocide, general opinion is “Conflict between the Chinese government and Uyghur groups exist but US media exaggerates it for clickbait articles too.”
Similar with Israel. Democrats mostly say “I hate the Iran’s government for their legal system but still doesn’t justify civilians dying.” Nobody is congratulating Israel on “standing up for gay rights” or some shit.
Alao ask the other group how they feel about global warming or education system sometime.
People who think they’re well informed because they scroll through lots of memes are deciding elections now, and look where we are.
Well, believing in things is alienating, and the work required to gebuinely identify your self interest is frustrating and hard.
So what else are they supposed to do?
Read source material, don’t just consume self-confirming entertainment.
and the work required to genuinely identify your self interest is frustrating and hard.
Nope. Sorry.
As expected, tankies came out in drove to whitewash Uyghur genocide 😂
There are far too many complaints and eyewitness to hide the grievances from the Uyghurs and CCP’s mistreatment of them.
There is significant politicization of genocide declarations. They are all declared by fascist US empire and its slave controlled democracy colonies. There is very obvious extensive video evidence of extermination policies for Palestinians.
China responded to 2014 terrorist attacks with education and job creation programs. Xinxiang has had decent prosperity and population growth compared to other Chinese provinces despite a BDS policy from US controlled empire. The “technical genocide” accusation is based on a handful of Uyghur women with 4+ children who somehow all got to the UK, and claimed to now be sterile. Uyghurs had historically been exempt from Chinese one child policy.
Political demonism happens independently of facts. There are historical tensions in Xinxiang between Uyghur/muslim majority and relatively more prosperous Han minority, but Chinese policies are far more egalitarian than Alabama policies with much higher inequality. China has made the most humanist response to terrorism in history of civilization, even if it is not above criticism.
I would love a source on the Uyghurs that isn’t Adrain Zenz. He is the* Fash behind the “Victims of Communism Memorial Fund”.
All sources eventually point back to him in our Western Media, and its fucking disgusting.
(Edit: he is one of the Fash behind actual Nazi Propaganda Smuggling)
i think it is a great idea to build a “victims of communism” memorial so people can step outside to the victims of capitalism memorial.
Oh my. Thank you, I missed this story.
You’re welcome, I’m glad to share it.
I very much appreciate it being Al Jezeera, too. So the claims of US/Western/NATO bias/mouthpiece hold no weight.
Interestingly Xinjiang’s population growth since 2015 has been due to migration from the rest of China rather than birth rates, and the Uighur birth rate has fallen over this time period while the slackening of birth control legislation has led to slight increases (as compared to one child policy era) for the rest of non-Tibetan PRC.
The destruction of traditional life-styles and enforced
capitalistSocialist (with Chinese Characteriatics) modernity with SOEs taking control of traditionally common or village wide croplands and flocks, in the 80s led to a lot of the economic problems in the first place. It’s similar to enclosure in Europe, where now to not want to labour away in a factory for a wage and make your boss richer is extremism and also mad.That is to say, I do not think the PRC is actively killing large amounts of Uighurs. But there is a policy of cultural erasure, commodifiction of culture and heritage, and very tight, apartheid style control of the population.
Ah tankies
My Tribe is made up of people who refuse to have a Tribe.
This instance has made me realize that I am an anarchist. What a strange world… No regrets, thank you guys.
I’d be an anarchist, but I think anarchism would only work if the world is far more connected than we are today. Anarchist communities developed organically because their environments are close to each other, facilitating cultural exchange and then evolving into a converging culture where people in the communities eventually “think alike”. It is like with Fremens in Dune. The entire ethnic group inhabit the entire planet, but their lines of communications are pretty reliable and fast, so in that sense the world of Fremen is “small”, allowing for an organic development of an anarchist culture by themselves.
I just don’t think we’re meant to live in large numbers tbh.
You take the average opinion of 200 million people, apply it to everyone, and nobody will be happy with it.
Might be better if we gave people proper education and didnt encourage crab-bucketing so hard.
Same here I beliving in Anarchy more as a fight to concentration of power which concecuences are in full display in any news outlet. I’m also starting to feel kinda inclined to solarpunk.
Hell yeah welcome to the struggle.
Just remember you don’t need to agree with every mainstream anarchist take to call yourself an anarchist. That’s the best part and one of many things that set this movement a cut above other leftist movements.
the fediverse is inherently propaganda for the possibility of anarchism
Isn’t one of the main lemmy devs a staunch communist?
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean is the difect intention or that it has to be enforced we can find our own meaning.
Right-out tankie. But then broken clocks are right twice a day.
We are happy to have you! 🥰 There is an anarchist book i highly recommend. You can read all of it or just pick sections you find interesting.
People ask “how can anarchism work? Don’t we need a boss?” Or “How would things be managed?”. And this book explains it very well :)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
It’s even available in audiobook form by audible anarchism
We’re glad to have you here 🫡
Please don’t take this the wrong way, what do Anarchists do irl that is making a difference? From what I see, most of the posting is leftist views, but what seperates them from other left leaning groups aside from viewpoints?
Personally, I help run a makerspace. In fact, I had been doing that for years before calling myself an anarchist; seeing how things work in a volunteer community makerspace is what made me think that maybe, just maybe, we actually can run society in an anarchist way. Yeah, things are a little messy there sometimes, but in the end, I think we do get the stuff done that needs to get done. People are a little less dependent on a capitalist system because of it, and learn a little more to rely on their local community.
Politically, I tend to work alongside a lot of socialists. Anything that takes us towards improving unions and mutual aid is good for me. Partially, this is also because anarchist groups are notoriously inconsequential. It’s a lot of “I’ll get this done, right after I have this joint”. Socialists are more like “lets get this done, then have an edible”. One of these is more productive than the other.
You wouldn’t happen to have any resources regarding how to run a community makerspace, would you?
Nothing in particular, but I’m happy to answer questions. Getting to know other community makerspaces in the region is a good idea. Everyone was winging it, but figured it out.
Prefiguration.
The idea of resisting domination by living outside it. Creating your own grassroots community structures without state or corporate control.
A focus on organizing in horizontal power structures.
A focus on direct action over electoralism?
I might be wrong but I feel that anarchy is on slightly different axis (like x vs y) than simple left/right divide, but definitively more to the left than right. Different means, similar goals?
I yield to more experienced anarchists here for explanation, I’m just learning to be one!
However, I remember one trip with my dad when I was a teen. We were talking, I can’t remember about what exactly, him exclaiming “You must be some kind of anarchist!” to summarize my own worldview stuck with me to this day.
When I was applying to this instance, this has somehow resonated with me
https://wiki.dbzer0.com/divisions-by-zero/the-anarchist-code-of-conduct/
Am I an anarchist or just a sane reasonable person? I have some reading to do… but I have the gut feeling.
I think the left/right divide is pretty bullshit, it gets rid of a lot of nuance in any political discussion.
Am I an anarchist
I recommend you read: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-are-you-an-anarchist-the-answer-may-surprise-you
Agreed. Even the political compass is just an imperfect model.
I think a better model is a connected graph. A socialist advocating for unions and an anarcho-syndcalist are going to have a direct connection. So does an ancap and a christian advocating the prosperity gospel. But you’ll have to go through a lot of steps in the graph to connect ancaps and anarcho-syndcalists, because as we all know, the two have nothing to do with each other.
Me posting this meme with the full knowledge that it might make it to “All” and generate a shitshow of a comment section
This community is just popular enough to make it to /all, but not popular enough to drown out all the liberals/tankies that come here.
I phrased this horribly sorry
Are you though?
Am I what?
Edit: Oh, you mean if I am sorry, well, I’m sorry I can’t phrase it properly.
Turn off your notifications mate. And don’t return to the scene of the crime
But where’s the fun in that?!
Beautiful.
are American tankies not also funding Israel? if you pay taxes, you’re complicit, or at least that’s what it seems the meme is saying about liberals.
I think they meant the advocation for it, though the wording is a bit off.
Don’t even have to be an anarchist, just have to have at least partial hearing and/or vision.
Not even. I’m deaf and have terrible vision. In fact I was functionally blind for 8 months. And I can still see it!
Okay, have to have at least partial use of at least one sense.
So basically not be in a deep coma? Because I don’t think there is a disability where you losing touch hearing sight and smell.
I was going to suggest “be awake” and then realised I had accidentally re-invented the term “woke”
You’d have to get a bunch of ailments all at once. Deep coma is much simpler. Anyways, very obvious, most of us only, at most lack 1 or 2 senses. There’s no excuses for any of us to not “see” any of this.
You don’t even need a brain. Just a heart.
Tankies: handing out “genocide denial” bans for calling Ukraine a genocide.
You can simultaneously condemn the invasion of Ukraine and understand that false claims of genocide are harmful against people suffering genocide
Russia has been credibly accused off displacing local populations, seizing homes, mass torture and sexual violence against civilians and abduction of children in occupied territories. There are numerous examples of Russian politicians stating openly that they seek to exterminate Ukrainian identity.
The only argument that Russia is not engaging in large scale genocide is that Ukraine has prevented them from doing so by force.
None of the instances of what you’re claiming have been disproportionate compared to any modern conflict if you actually run the numbers, and if you compare to western-backed wars such as the invasion of Iraq, the numbers pale in comparison. War is horrifying, and you can heavily criticise the invasion of Ukraine, but calling it a genocide simply doesn’t hold when you look at the numbers.
Your comment being a good example of tankies denying Ukrainian genocide.
Why do you bring up tankies? I’m not talking about any communist state, I’m talking about the proto-fascist, contemporary Russian republic, and explicitly said you can condemn it.
Putin kills Ukrainian civilians, not because of their religion or genetics or culture but to terrorise them into submission so that they encourage their military to give up so that he gets to plunder their land and resources.
This is very different to the universally accepted definition of genocide as applies to The Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia.
Ireland is trying to get the ICJ to broaden the UN definition of genocide to include both the Ukraine and Gaza tragedies.
Idiots have decided the new definition of genocide is simply “when one side kills a bunch of people on the other side” and get angry when you point out how infantile that is.
Infantile indeed. The popularity of Marvel/DC movies is symptomatic.
It is the age of hyperbole and polarization. As if something is not a tragedy worthy of attention unless you can paint it as the worst thing ever.
And the solutions imagined are total fantasy. Jews aint leaving the Levant, neither are the Arabs.
I watched a documentary which blew my mind recently, leaving no party looking clean in the Middle East conflict. Neither ProPal nor Zionist philosophy comes into it. The reality is too messy for the partisan minds: HyperNormalization: A Different Experience of Reality.
Being in my 60’s it has been years since I saw something so challenging. Since this is an anarchist community this should appeal although it is not hopeful. More like an examination of organised Chaos.
we need to get more people off reddit and twitter and onto lemmy
True, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to the post.
we are all stuck between a rock and hard place of reddit and twitter.
I’m once again asking liberals to join xiaohongshu and see the uighur culture being celebrated openly. Crossnational meetups with turkish people comparing turkish to ughric, large streetfestivals and so so many videos sharing the language, alphabet, cuisine, music, stories, attire all on a chinese app for chinese people. If nothing else learn about the culture that is supposedly being genocided from the uyghurs themselves.
Admittedly I don’t use 小红书, so I don’t know for sure, but it is the commercialised and commodified kind of culture?
Because I remember back when I was in China and visited the Tarim Basin it was quite harrowing. Hami and to a lesser extent Kashgar felt pretty hostile to Uighurs.
I, as a non-Han person, had to go in the non-Han line at the railway station. But unlike the non-white foreigners in the line, I was given a seat in the shade out of the 40+°C heat, and could use the water machine while I waited, unlike the locals.
I also saw all the Uighur girls at school with their shaved heads. People were scared, and the word for school, 学校, was treated with horror.
Maybe just an apatheid society, but the fact that sites of religious, cultural, and historical significance have been knocked down or turned into a tourist trap (Grand Mosque in Umruqi, the Mosque in Central Kashgar whose name I forgot), does seem the culture is being worn down.
Also saw the police beating people in Kashgar market to make sure they closed their shops at 7pm Beijing time, not 7pm Xinjiang time… Because all of China must be one time zone.
You’ll also see other ethnicities’ costumes, and parades on social media. But they’re not allowed to talk their languages at school and their festivals don’t get to exist outside of being for tourists, and they don’t get the leeway with laws than Han people do.
nice but i think the liberals forgot about the uyghur genocide….
The imperial core didn’t forget so much as it gave up trying to manufacture consent after the UN rejected its allegations.
