Baloney. This is still Jordan taking action to help Israel in order to please Trump, because the king is trying to get Trump’s help on a variety of issues. I’m judging them based on their actions, and you’re trying to say that their intentions are good despite all else.
Your defense is that by bashing Palestinians, so that means Jordan should help Israel crush them. Then strawmanning me by saying that going to war with Israel is a bad idea. There’s a LOT of options in between.
You seem like the type of person who will never concede anything no matter how wrong you are, but what I am telling you is the reality. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.
Countries in general only look out for themselves. There’s no “brotherhood” between countries. This is a cute idea that’s used to push ideological narratives and diplomacy, but it’s entirely superficial. Even the most loyal of alliances are based entirely in self-interest. No country anywhere, regardless of regime or ideology, is going to put itself in danger on the behalf of another country without gaining anything itself. That just doesn’t happen.
In this case, Israel and Iran are bombing each other. Jordan is not involved. However, they happen to be located in the middle of the two. Israel is bombing targets in Iran by flying military aircraft over Syria and refueling there. They’re not going through Jordan. Iran, on the other hand, doesn’t have such capabilities, so they have been firing missiles directly from Iran towards Israel. The issue is that in order for the missiles to reach Israel, they have to fly over Jordan.
Iran and Jordan are not allies. Iran attacks are not coordinated with the Jordanian government, and they do not have permission to access Jordan’s airspace. Iran fired missiles without warning or permission anyway. If Jordan was a more powerful country, this would be an act of war because it’s a huge breach of the country’s sovereignty and security. Iran can claim whatever it wants, it really doesn’t matter what the intended targets for those missiles are, the reality is that any of those missiles could hit inside Jordan’s borders. That is something that Jordan, like any other functional country, cannot ever allow to happen. It cannot let foreign missiles kill Jordanian citizens or destroy Jordanian infrastructure.
However, Jordan is a weak country, and they cannot go to war with a country more powerful than them nor do they have the capability to take down the missiles themselves. Jordan is aware of this, and they, like most other Arab countries in the middle east, have struck an alliance with the US as it’s the only country that can protect them and is willing to do so. In exchange for allowing the US military to operate bases inside the country, the US will use it’s resources to protect the country.
In this case, Iran announced ahead of time that they will launch missiles towards Israel, and so Jordan was warned that their airspace will be breached. Knowing this, the Jordanian government invoked their alliance with the US to cooperate on taking down any foreign projectiles illegally breaching their airspace… and so they did. Did they take down all the missiles? No, but they have to do something to at least to mitigate the risks that Jordan is facing to protect Jordanian cities and assets.
This isn’t a part of some conspiracy, this is some common sense. Literally any country that is not a failed state would do the same thing. If Syria and Iraq were functional countries, they would’ve also shot down Iranian and Israeli aircraft and missiles breaching their airspace. I seriously don’t understand what people like you think should happen, do actually think that countries like Jordan should sit back and have hundreds of missiles fly over their head without doing anything? That’s the type of shit that would start revolutions and coups. No cause is noble enough for a country to sacrifice itself or put itself in real danger.
Then you proceed to explain how Jordan IS involved and justify it.
have to do something to at least to mitigate the risks that Jordan is facing to protect Jordanian cities and assets.
By downing Iranian missiles and letting the debris hit Jordan instead of letting them leave Jordanian airspace.
I seriously don’t understand what people like you think should happen
Stay out of it and don’t invite the US military in (hence making yourself a target), don’t let US military use your airspace, don’t protect Israel, don’t intervene. This isn’t hard. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.
Then you proceed to explain how Jordan IS involved and justify it.
How are they involved? They’re not with Israel, Iran, or any power in the region. They’re not a part of any conflict. They just react when they’re directly involved. In this case, they shot down missiles that violated their airspace.
By downing Iranian missiles and letting the debris hit Jordan instead of letting them leave Jordanian airspace.
I lived in Iraq, I’ve seen Iranian missiles fly over where I lived before. They’re extremely unpredictable. The technology they use for their weapons is unreliable, and because of this a lot of their missiles don’t land where they’re intended. This is why Iran sends massive waves of missiles one after the other even though it’s very wasteful and expensive. They do it because they don’t have the capability to conduct more efficient precision strikes. What this means is that Iranian missiles could hit anywhere, and they have hit Jordanian towns and cities many times before, which ended killing Jordanian civilians.
Virtually all of Jordan’s cities and towns are located in the very west on the border with Israel/Palestine, and they’re heavily concentrated in the the northwest. Here’s an example population density map to show you how concentrated the country’s population is. As you can see, virtually nobody lives in the eastern two thirds of the country, The Jordanian desert is basically inhabitable. It makes sense for Jordan to shoot down these missiles over the desert where nobody lives instead of shooting them down near population centers or taking the risk of having the missiles of fly over and praying that none hit their cities.
Stay out of it and don’t invite the US military in (hence making yourself a target), don’t let US military use your airspace, don’t protect Israel, don’t intervene. This isn’t hard. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.
This is just a piss poor understanding of middle eastern geopolitics in general. The middle east doesn’t work like Europe, countries aren’t afforded a lot of options. It is an unstable region filled with war, religious extremism, tyrannical dictators, bad borders, and scarce resources.
Jordan is an inherently unstable country. Its borders don’t make sense, around half of its population are refugees, they’re boxed in by imperialist powers in all directions (Israel, Saudi Arabia/UAE, Iran, and Turkey) who all see the country as a part of their playground, and most of the surrounding countries in their position are doing way worse.
Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq have all done what exactly what you said, and look what that has brought them? They’re all war torn failed states that are ravaged by proxy terrorist groups, ruthless dictators, civil wars, and foreign invasions. Jordan would be brain dead to go down the same path as them.
The smartest thing they could do is what they’re doing now, which is basically being the Switzerland of their region. They have peaceful relations with all their neighbors, and they won’t partake in any conflict that doesn’t directly involve them in any way outside of diplomacy. This neutrality can only last if it’s guaranteed by a powerful external power, and this happens to be the US in this case. Jordan is unique in it’s neighborhood, but it’s not alone globally. Countries like Iceland, Ireland, Switzerland, Japan, Oman, and so on all get to enjoy being neutral countries because they have US protection.
Also I like how my prediction of you here…
You seem like the type of person who will never concede anything no matter how wrong you are,
Baloney. This is still Jordan taking action to help Israel in order to please Trump, because the king is trying to get Trump’s help on a variety of issues. I’m judging them based on their actions, and you’re trying to say that their intentions are good despite all else.
Your defense is that by bashing Palestinians, so that means Jordan should help Israel crush them. Then strawmanning me by saying that going to war with Israel is a bad idea. There’s a LOT of options in between.
You seem like the type of person who will never concede anything no matter how wrong you are, but what I am telling you is the reality. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.
Countries in general only look out for themselves. There’s no “brotherhood” between countries. This is a cute idea that’s used to push ideological narratives and diplomacy, but it’s entirely superficial. Even the most loyal of alliances are based entirely in self-interest. No country anywhere, regardless of regime or ideology, is going to put itself in danger on the behalf of another country without gaining anything itself. That just doesn’t happen.
In this case, Israel and Iran are bombing each other. Jordan is not involved. However, they happen to be located in the middle of the two. Israel is bombing targets in Iran by flying military aircraft over Syria and refueling there. They’re not going through Jordan. Iran, on the other hand, doesn’t have such capabilities, so they have been firing missiles directly from Iran towards Israel. The issue is that in order for the missiles to reach Israel, they have to fly over Jordan.
Iran and Jordan are not allies. Iran attacks are not coordinated with the Jordanian government, and they do not have permission to access Jordan’s airspace. Iran fired missiles without warning or permission anyway. If Jordan was a more powerful country, this would be an act of war because it’s a huge breach of the country’s sovereignty and security. Iran can claim whatever it wants, it really doesn’t matter what the intended targets for those missiles are, the reality is that any of those missiles could hit inside Jordan’s borders. That is something that Jordan, like any other functional country, cannot ever allow to happen. It cannot let foreign missiles kill Jordanian citizens or destroy Jordanian infrastructure.
However, Jordan is a weak country, and they cannot go to war with a country more powerful than them nor do they have the capability to take down the missiles themselves. Jordan is aware of this, and they, like most other Arab countries in the middle east, have struck an alliance with the US as it’s the only country that can protect them and is willing to do so. In exchange for allowing the US military to operate bases inside the country, the US will use it’s resources to protect the country.
In this case, Iran announced ahead of time that they will launch missiles towards Israel, and so Jordan was warned that their airspace will be breached. Knowing this, the Jordanian government invoked their alliance with the US to cooperate on taking down any foreign projectiles illegally breaching their airspace… and so they did. Did they take down all the missiles? No, but they have to do something to at least to mitigate the risks that Jordan is facing to protect Jordanian cities and assets.
This isn’t a part of some conspiracy, this is some common sense. Literally any country that is not a failed state would do the same thing. If Syria and Iraq were functional countries, they would’ve also shot down Iranian and Israeli aircraft and missiles breaching their airspace. I seriously don’t understand what people like you think should happen, do actually think that countries like Jordan should sit back and have hundreds of missiles fly over their head without doing anything? That’s the type of shit that would start revolutions and coups. No cause is noble enough for a country to sacrifice itself or put itself in real danger.
Then you proceed to explain how Jordan IS involved and justify it.
By downing Iranian missiles and letting the debris hit Jordan instead of letting them leave Jordanian airspace.
Stay out of it and don’t invite the US military in (hence making yourself a target), don’t let US military use your airspace, don’t protect Israel, don’t intervene. This isn’t hard. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.
How are they involved? They’re not with Israel, Iran, or any power in the region. They’re not a part of any conflict. They just react when they’re directly involved. In this case, they shot down missiles that violated their airspace.
I lived in Iraq, I’ve seen Iranian missiles fly over where I lived before. They’re extremely unpredictable. The technology they use for their weapons is unreliable, and because of this a lot of their missiles don’t land where they’re intended. This is why Iran sends massive waves of missiles one after the other even though it’s very wasteful and expensive. They do it because they don’t have the capability to conduct more efficient precision strikes. What this means is that Iranian missiles could hit anywhere, and they have hit Jordanian towns and cities many times before, which ended killing Jordanian civilians.
Virtually all of Jordan’s cities and towns are located in the very west on the border with Israel/Palestine, and they’re heavily concentrated in the the northwest. Here’s an example population density map to show you how concentrated the country’s population is. As you can see, virtually nobody lives in the eastern two thirds of the country, The Jordanian desert is basically inhabitable. It makes sense for Jordan to shoot down these missiles over the desert where nobody lives instead of shooting them down near population centers or taking the risk of having the missiles of fly over and praying that none hit their cities.
This is just a piss poor understanding of middle eastern geopolitics in general. The middle east doesn’t work like Europe, countries aren’t afforded a lot of options. It is an unstable region filled with war, religious extremism, tyrannical dictators, bad borders, and scarce resources.
Jordan is an inherently unstable country. Its borders don’t make sense, around half of its population are refugees, they’re boxed in by imperialist powers in all directions (Israel, Saudi Arabia/UAE, Iran, and Turkey) who all see the country as a part of their playground, and most of the surrounding countries in their position are doing way worse.
Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq have all done what exactly what you said, and look what that has brought them? They’re all war torn failed states that are ravaged by proxy terrorist groups, ruthless dictators, civil wars, and foreign invasions. Jordan would be brain dead to go down the same path as them.
The smartest thing they could do is what they’re doing now, which is basically being the Switzerland of their region. They have peaceful relations with all their neighbors, and they won’t partake in any conflict that doesn’t directly involve them in any way outside of diplomacy. This neutrality can only last if it’s guaranteed by a powerful external power, and this happens to be the US in this case. Jordan is unique in it’s neighborhood, but it’s not alone globally. Countries like Iceland, Ireland, Switzerland, Japan, Oman, and so on all get to enjoy being neutral countries because they have US protection.
Also I like how my prediction of you here…
…ended up being a prophecy.