A few posts down in my feed is a photo of children zip tied in immigration court and it is fucking disgusting. There would be other problems in a Harris admin. But maybe we wouldn’t zip tie little kids.
She gave 10 mill to Beyoncé for an awkward rally and ignored a union to do so telling everyone she was a bad bitch. She is cooked and I’m so angry at the Dems for throwing away what should have been a landslide to please the rich idk how I feel about supporting those fools anymore. It’s just we’re in a first past the post party system which is easy to manipulate, may as well have managed democracy instead of anything good.
DNC is an enemy of the people.
Sure, they might not be starting concentration camps and sieg heiling. but the actions they have taken have directly enabled the ones who are goose stepping down Pennsylvania avenue.
In a way yeah. When you shit on the most pro working class Dems actively and don’t deliver on key promises wtf do they expect? The hypocrisy is too obvious to defend with descending into a cult mentality like maga.
DNC has repeatedly refused to listen to the demands on their voters, too, and actively sabotaged candidates the people want to try and force HRC and Harris down our throats… to a massive collective tanking that had nothing to do with their gender, and opening the door to the usurpation of America to foreign powers and money.
Overall yes. Individuals can be smart and good but the collective has failed in the name of greed and ignorance.
The “nice” style liberals have no tools to fight actual fascists. They’re career politicians. They don’t understand an ideological opponent.
They don’t get that these people will literally demolish governments, throw us into civil wars, and poison the planet for all humanity, rather than feel their power to dominate the weak diminished by one nanoangstrom.
In FPTP, you don’t have much choice but to vote against what you don’t want, but I would argue that it’s still important to vote, so long as that isn’t all that you do.
I’m also living under FPTP, and voted “third party” because I believe a plurality of choices is beneficial, even though our conservative party was scary close to winning… but that’s just how it’ll always end up under FPTP: the right end will get more and more ghoulish until the centrist party is the safest vote in opposition. Together, they both suck up all the votes into the neoliberal duopoly, where neither side meaningfully challenges the underlying conditions that make life worse for increasingly large sections of people.
Anyway, of arguably greater impact than voting is actually figuring out who represents you, and letting them know what’s important to you. Canvassing for candidates who you actually do support. That sort of thing.
Sorry about the little rant. I’m sure you’re aware of this dynamic. I just felt compelled.
My state tried to implement it but the way the reps wrote it was so anti democratic in the fine print I voted against it. Idk if democracy is possible with reps, only tyranny and military.
I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.
Well said, I had the exact same thought experience, and I am at the exact same conclusion.
i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist
Sadly there’s a lot of ignorant and stupid voters out there. It’s fun to watch leopards eat their faces as a bitter consolation prize now that we’re in a full-ass fascist hell.
That disqualifies democrats as well.
I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.
She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.
- I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.
Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”
Yeah. I don’t know if there’s a term for it, but the Alt-Right Book describes it too: https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M
That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.
I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.
Edit: found it: “white saviorism”
Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.
I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.
Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.
This guy’s videos are one of the few things on youtube (other than music videos) I’ll watch sometimes.
Yeah it’s pretty well researched. It’s kind of jarring viewing these videos now because they describe a time when fascists weren’t nearly so overt.
Billionaires chose Trump, so Trump won. That’s how US politics works
seeing all the red, it wasn’t just billionaires.
a lot of hundredaires voted for the billionaire.
I see a lot of these postmortems and I don’t know what combination of them is the actual truth, but I wasn’t the slightest bit surprised when she lost. As soon as she got the nomination I thought it was likely.
For what it’s worth, here is my take on her as one Californian that’s had to deal with her since before 2010 when she ran for attorney general:
- Even before she ran for attorney general, I was constantly hearing about all kinds of awful stuff the SF district attorney’s office was doing under her leadership even though I’m not from SF county.
- I was very disappointed when she got the nomination for attorney general because I didn’t want her policies applied statewide. I voted against her in the primary but of course I held my nose and voted for her over the R in the general.
- I don’t recall who I voted for in the 2016 primary for Senate but it wasn’t her, or blue dog Sanchez. I think I barely tilted toward Sanchez in the general but I honestly can’t remember. I was so disappointed in those choices that I didn’t really give a shit. I thought we could do better in California than two conserva-dems, especially with the top-2 primary system.
- Never even considered voting for that cop in a presidential primary.
- Didn’t like that she was the bottom of the ticket in 2020 especially considering Biden’s age, but the alternative was clear.
- Of course, due to the alternative I voted for her in 2024 but without one iota of enthusiasm. I think I may have been more enthused to vote for John fucking Kerry, but that was a long time ago, it’s hard to remember my feelings for a block of wood.
A small silver lining to her losing is I’ll never have to hold my nose and vote for her ever again.
She lost because she just sucks. Whether an individual’s reason for thinking she sucks and not being excited about her was based on misogyny, racism, her record of public service, her policy goals, or her personality doesn’t matter. I didn’t know anybody excited to vote for her. I knew some people excited to vote for a WOC, but not her as a person. A little enthusiasm was what was needed to turn the tide in the three states that mattered this time.
As soon as Biden dropped out too late for an actual primary, we already lost.
LMAO drop the act, you and all Dems know that if they run her again you WILL VOTE for her, no matter what
Until the Dem party tells you to vote someone else
I would vote for even your overused waifu themed cumsock over any MAGA candidate, so yes. Yes I would.
Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.
She tried to dance to the middle when Trump had a stranglehold on his cult of voters. Really stupid.
The middle? She was cavorting with Liz Cheney!
Voters don’t get to decide where the middle is.
I’m pretty tired of people nagging voters to follow the rules the framing they set forth. Trolley problem, “voters dont get to decide where the middle is”, etc.
We do have other options, but I don’t think they are realistic. Mass obstructive protests will probably push the DNC closer to the right (granted I could be wrong about this, but we are talking about a very out of touch and clueless institution of what amounts to be another ruling class) or violence which I do not think anyone in the country is truly ready for despite what everyone says.
Why should we be agonizing about what they will do instead of making them ask what we will do? We’ve turned the power dynamic around. What we need to band together and let them know that we wont vote for any of them if they continue with the sellout shenanigans on many fronts. No more deals. No more assumption that the dem brand means they are on our side.
And we cant just play chicken with them, we have to mean it. If they dont come to us and earn your vote, then dont settle for whatever 99% republican drivel they try to serve us. This isnt a negotiation with the rich, its us deciding if the dems will even exist anymore as a party.
No more “vote blue no matter who”. They just use that to ream us. That “D” needs to mean what we make it mean, not what they tell us they want it to mean. Thats exactly how we ended up supporting some theocracy’s dirty war crimes.
From now on I dont give the dems my vote by default. They earn it, and if I dont know their policies, I wont assume they are good.
Yeah. The DNC either don’t realise, or refuse to realise, that electing Trump is not in approval of him, but expression of disapproval of the Democratic Party.
Lol… it’s because the electorate is a bunch of morons. The DNC knows this, but they underestimate to what extent. They figured they could just bypass the whole election process thing and slide Kamala into the final ticket, but they also figured that people were intelligent enough to know that fascists are bad. America is filled with morons, and this carnival ride is going to come to a screeching halt, crushing a significant number of the riders underneath its rusty undercarriage when it does.
It is perfectly fine, in fact it would be incredibly refreshing & welcome, to admit…she was a shitty candidate. Fuck, she was so terribly bad. And Tim Walz was a bad pick, too.
Everything was fake. Every day it unraveled more. She was caught saying things like, “I am different than Biden, I am not Biden, do not let his presidency reflect on me.” What would you do differently? “Nothing, I wouldn’t change anything.” Okay…so…how are you different if everything Biden did was totally great & you wouldn’t do anything differently?? 🤡 Heavily paraphrased, of course, the convos were more detailed (which only made it worse).
It’s fine to say Kamala Harris was a cringe candidate. Completely unwanted, unelected, unqualified. Biden bowed out & the DNC shoved her in; there is no logical reason to continue to own her as your candidate & representative. You don’t bring dead babies to Passover. This is an opportunity to rebrand the Democrat Party, to refocus on issues that actually matter. That is to say…if anyone still gives a goddamn about the issues that actually matter.
I was so excited after she picked Tim Walz. It was starting to look like the most progressive ticket in decades, she was ahead in the polls, and then she turned around and started campaigning with Republicans and CEOs. Total betrayal.
And yeah, she disappeared. I hear more from Biden and Obama than from her.
She made an imaginary rule in her head that she had to copy 100% of Biden’s polices no matter how unpopular.
The Democrats were offered a total reset from Biden’s unpopularity and instead decided to repeat it all. It was incredible how they threw away what should have been an easier victory.
She ran on Bidens policies because she is exactly like him. Middle of the road, pro establishment, corporate suck up, and always has been.
Was it really an imaginary rule? I think it was Original Sin that talked about how Biden made his support for Harris contingent on “protecting his legacy” - ie, no criticizing Biden, no claiming she would do things different than Biden.
Edit: the claim comes from “FIGHT: Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House”:
But the day of the debate Biden called to give Harris an unusual kind of pep talk — and another reminder about the loyalty he demanded. No longer able to defend his own record, he expected Harris to protect his legacy.
Whether she won or lost the election, he thought, she would only harm him by publicly distancing herself from him — especially during a debate that would be watched by millions of Americans. To the extent that she wanted to forge her own path, Biden had no interest in giving her room to do so. He needed just three words to convey how much all of that mattered to him.
“No daylight, kid,” Biden said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/
And when Kamala had the entire DNC establishment behind her, what was stopping her from distancing herself from Biden? What was she afraid of?
Even if Biden came out to publically criticize Kamala, that would have mixed results at best. A large chunk of Kamala’s base was still thinking about how Biden’s brain malfunctioned at the debate, another chunk was calling him Genocide Joe.
She chose to stick with Biden’s legacy instead of developing her own policy platform for the American people, and it directly gave us President Trump.
Honestly, I think it’s partially that she’s never really believed in anything. She was a tough on crime DA until the George Floyd protests, and then she dropped that. She was a Medicare for All supporter until it looked like that would cost her with the donors, so she dropped that. She opposed Trump’s harsh immigration policy but was fine with Biden’s harsh immigration policy. She’s got no strong, principled stances, so when Biden tells her not to break with him, and her advisors tell her to campaign with Liz Cheney and Mark Cuban, she just does it.
And when Kamala had the entire DNC establishment behind her, what was stopping her from distancing herself from Biden? What was she afraid of?
My guess? The entire DNC establishment wasn’t behind Harris. They were behind Biden, and supported Harris as Biden’s successor rather than on her own (nonexistent) merits. She hadn’t earned their support, and knew it.
I think it was an agreement she was told she had to make in order for the nod.
that and her husband and idiotic brother-in-law campaign manager were ardent zionists first and foremost. She was never going to break from Biden on that.
He is 100% right like always
Yah they do every time, even when they win. Every side chooses billionaires and Americans alternate being fed up with one side so they vote for the other. Rinse repeat, the rich always win
I’ve been saying it for the past two US election cycles … the US is a one party state with two different organizations representing just one political party.
The Chinese have the Chinese Communist Party
Russia has a ruling class of Oligarchs
The US has the Republican/Democrat Party
All three operate in the same way
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere
“ The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.” - Noam Chomsky
People have been saying it for decades and decades, if not a century or more.
Thanks for that … now I have credible references to attribute this thought.
I knew it wasn’t smart enough to think this, it’s just haven’t read enough to know or see where others have said it before.
Don’t be so down on yourself, you can get to the same conclusion independently
But I do recommend reading Chomsky. Or at least watching some lengthy YouTube videos of him speaking
I do watch and listen to a lot of Chomsky … but the guy has so much content, you’d have to relive his entire life to hear everything he said and read everything he ever wrote. The man is amazing. I just wish he were a lot younger than he is.
It’s all just a form of “divide and conquer.” Their tactics are plain to see if you are looking for them.
The Corporate Oligarchs are the common denominator between the GOP and Democrats. The Democrats, corporate beholden though they are, are preferable merely by not being fascists.
I think they have us stuck between the fire and the frying pan. Once in the frying pan, we are sooo glad not to be in the fire, and we get 4 more years of Dems, while the Republicans secretly march us closer to the cliff. Now their end game, Project 2025 is on fast track to actualization. The Dems make us lazy because we think they’ll help but they don’t. I feel like the Democrats hung us out to dry. I read in the New York Times, a Democrat suggested the best strategy for Trump was for the party to “roll over and play dead.” I translate that as, “the party doesn’t care.” Some party members like AOC show backbone, but the rest of them not so much.
Any arguments they have are about which side should get the booty after shaking down the populace.
This is literally the attitude that allowed the Nazis to take over the German government.
They convinced people that the left and right coalitions that formed the Weimar government made it unstable, indecisive, and corrupt. That made people apathetic about supporting any party or vulnerable to the strong-man image the Nazis used to portray Hitler.
The common denominator to all these scenarios are the wealthy owner corporate class that discreetly shovel money towards the ones they want to win.
The common denominator is that the fascists sowed division so that there could be no unified opposition to them.
I mean the liberals did a pretty good job of sowing division by arming fascist paramilitaries, letting them assassinate socialist leaders with impunity, and running a conservative candidate. When liberals talk about unity, they mean u ifying with them, against the left.
Even if that were true, it all needs to be put aside to unify against the fascists. They pose an existential threat to democracy itself.
“I stand against fascism and want more rights for the common person.” “I am willing to aid fascists when it makes me money or helps win elections”
Yeah let’s unite with them, surely nothing bad will happen.
I’d rather have a one party state under a communist party than a two party state under two capitalist parties. In both cases it’s immediately obvious who these parties serve, in China, it’s the people and society, in the U.S., it’s the billionaires and capitalist class.
Nope, nope, nope. One is dismantling our government right now, stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others, cutting medicaid, giving the wealthy more tax breaks and are generally racist af. The other is not doing any of those things.
The democrats excel at standing still, while the republicans always move right. They fit together like corporate peanut butter and jelly.
Rachet theory. R moves one direction; D refuses to move in the other.
It’s not entirely false, but it’s also not the whole story. Voting D is better than staying home. It might not be better than direct action – but given the size of the voting window, it’s probably not completely eclipsed by your activism. (If it is, watch out for the FBI and keep working for a better world, comrade.)
Of course the Democratic Party wants to turn Gaza into a resort. Where have you been?
I love how a bunch of people who couldn’t point to Gaza in a map are making that their sole political concern.
The gaza otcomes broadly indicative of how the party functions.
Beyond that, do you even realize that the gaza issue has almost single handedly destroyed the concept of the western world order?
Both parties have had the same policy on Gaza for decades, so I don’t see the relevance. It was just easier to ignore a slow genocide than a fast one.
Well if we are going to get a better outcome we’ll have to demand it. They dont just need donor money to win, they need votes.
The other is not doing any of those things.
stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others
Respectfully, that may be your perception of the Biden administration but its mostly not true. Biden arguably did not cut medicaid or reduce taxes for the wealthy, but thats where your perceptions start running into facts that show differently than you’d think. This is also part of why everyone is mad at the DNC.
- stopping aid to the world: Biden stopped funding UNRWA in Jan 2024 after Israel accused the UN of being a Hamas organization and cited 12 names. They never provided any proof. Trump did go on to cut USAID funding. UNRWA operated in Jordan, Syria, Labanon, west jerusalem, gaza and the west bank.
Furthermore, Bidens proposed 2025 budget would have made cuts to aid globally, including cuts to AIDS relief. It also proposed cuts to social security.
https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=how+much+aid+funding+did+biden+cut&oe=UTF-8
- wanting to make GAZA into a resort: Gaza was leveled under Bidens watch, and redevelopment plans were also underway on his watch. Trumps clownery was just a continuation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815
“Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront” from Mar 12 2024, on Bidens watch.
They sold that gaza land off in real estate gatherings in New York, New Jersey and other US cities, which was blatently illegal and all done on Bidens watch, with him not lifting a finger to stop it.
- deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others “No Fair Day: Damning New Report Reveals the Biden Administration’s Unlawful Treatment of Children in Immigration Courts” from Dec 14, 2023.
"Children make up a significant number of those facing removal proceedings. In the first five months of Fiscal Year 2022, almost one third of all new cases in immigration court involved children, including tens of thousands of children under the age of five. "
In short, Biden was a bad democrat, and a bad human being. Always has been, but people saw what they wanted and respected the D by his name.
Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!
- Julius Nyerere, first Prime Minister / President of Tanzania
(Actual attribution of this quote is possibly in dispute, but I’ve seen it many times)
It’s because money wins races. Removing the $5k top donation killed America.
Allowing media to be monopolized might be a bigger issue
That didn’t help but that $5k applied to AT&T just as much as it did John Doe
not I. One does not support the middle class enough but still does stuff like regulation and tries to improve healthcare, the environment, and other aspects of the country and the other tears it apart. One side is freindly with billionaires and the other is their whore.
Look I ain’t voting for the Republicans either but I ain’t gonna pretend the DNC is on my side. That said, my vote is absolutely irrelevant. I live in a blue bastion state and our backwards election systems guarantee my vote is worthless. The whole game is set up to fuck over the working class and promote the interests of the wealthy.
Both sides are the capitalists whores, one uses honey and the other vinegar to catch voters.
Sure but to his point you and everyone else on here are in the minority. About 1/3rd vote Democrat consistently, and about 1/3rd vote Republican consistently. The remaining 3rd are the ones that flip flop between elections and unfortunately they’re the ones that actually determine the outcome (although in reality it’s more like 1/4th in each category with a final 4th that just doesn’t vote). Lastly for the pedants these are all very rough approximations of the numbers involved, for instance the real percentage that doesn’t vote is actually closer to 40%.
I’m so sick of winning.
There’s more than two parties the US
Honey, you and I both know that FPTP makes that totally irrelevant
There are only two viable parties.
