I hate how IDEs with error checking check the code at every character. Like my dude, we got this shit right with text editors having spell check back in 1997. Wait just a moment before checking please. All the time when I’m typing the editor freaks the fuck out, this is wrong, this is wrong, here is an error, wtf is this supposed to mean? And then when I type the ) or whatever, all is well. Just give me a freaking second to work and think.
I’d say it’s probably happening because the syntax parser runs every character to be able to provide auto complete, and error tracking is a part of that system. I wonder if there’s a plugin that introduces some smart delay between when the error is detected and when it’s displayed.
You can thank search engines on mobile for that, pure idiocy
Are you even a real programmer if you haven’t fixed a prod critical but in notepad++ because your ide won’t open for whatever reason?
I’ve done critical fixes (usually config) direct on a prod server with vim over ssh before now. Not the best way to do it but sometimes waiting for CI will just take too long…
Old school “CI/CD” was an FTP server where you dropped DLLs into I remember
I once fixed an important bug by force-pushing on the master branch (I was an admin too and could do it). I had 5 minutes to fix it, and no one was aware of it. I didn’t ask for permission but I was sweating a lot.
I’ve lost track of the number of Report Builder files I’ve had to update via Notepad++ - the intended editor has so many weird kinks and corner cases it’s often easier to just edit the file directly!
vim evangelists incoming although they are on panel 3
Bold of you to assume I even use auto complete!
“clicks”? Where we’re going we don’t need… “clicks”!
Well, my autocompletes works fine but I thinks it’s a lot thanks to vscode, which seems to have pushed LSP.
One doesn’t know how to code if they cannot spell the whole word.
(Turn off autocomplete for a day and test your actual knowledge.)
Nah thanks, I want to program by solving logic problems, not syntax problems.
Maybe old IDEs. Like Eclipse 10-20 years ago.
Modern IDEs don’t really have these issues as frequently.
Visual Studio has these issues daily.
Ten years ago VS was awesome. In the last 2 years, all they added is AI crap and every other feature got more buggy.
Your experience is far from universal. Working with actual code files, visual studio works very good.
Mix in XAML blazor, however…
(Note that both file formats are abstractions from which C# classes are.generated…)
Install the right plugin and IntelliJ will act like Eclipse ten years ago. Bonus points for the plugin being a mandatory part of your company’s work flow with no alternatives other than a command line nobody can help you with.
Oh I don’t know. 1,3,5 and 6 resonate strongly with me for Visual Studio 2022. The only reason 4 doesn’t is because instead of looking for a setting I DDG “how do I do X in VS2022”
I have a faint memory of working with Eclipse but shelved it due to making Java even slower than my dog walking towards his shower. Is it still alive and viable?
Have you tried modern Eclipse on Wayland? Save often!
I have not. Last time I used Eclipse (maybe 10 years ago) I got so frustrated it prompted me to learn Vim.
I’m currently mostly using IntelliJ these days.
The only issue I’ve ever had with Eclipse is updating it. It’s only gotten better in the past 2 years or so. The rest of the time upgrading was a complete pain in the ass. Just about every time I ended up giving up and reinstalling from scratch.
Well, the one other thing that annoys me is not having decent themeing. I use a third party extension and while it does help, there are parts of the IDE that you still can’t customize so if you want a dark mode you have to deal with parta that aren’t ideal.
modern IDEs are dog shit. If I needed a glorified clippy telling me how to do my job I’d smash my brains out all over my keyboard.
Give me an editor with the following and I’ll be good for life.
- syntax highlighting/error flagging
- project scoping
- script injection
- ftp/scp
nice to have:
- db viewer (SQL/sqlite)
- json viewer
- diff
- git/vcs
if an editor can do all that I can make it do whatever I need.
I had similar opinion, but I’ve changed my mind. Now I can barely do any serious work without an IDE.
The main feature I’m after is code completion. Just getting a peek of which methods are available is something I can’t be without.
Code hints like ”this expression will always evaluate to false” is great to capture difficult to spot mistakes.
Code usage it’s is a must when doing refactors. It makes it easy to analyze how a method is used before I commit to a refactor.
Debugger and profiler is also nice to have.
I’d say that’s true for most devs.
personally though, all that is noise to me and is difficult to maintain focus when it’s got all these popups and autofills.
I’m currently maintaining a codebase that’s got something like 900 methods/functions across multiple classes, modules, and other objects. It follows a pattern and is pretty easy to maintain though.
another project I’m inheriting is doesn’t have any logical flow or pattern and is a shitstorm of JS Christmas trees. I’ll likely need to used something that will trace through the callbacks just to see what the fuck is going on.
my point though, is if you depend on the tools that make it easy to write sloppy code, you will write sloppy code because the key feature of the tool allows you to do it without repercussions.
building something without effort rarely ends with a result you can be proud of. this is true for development and in life, IMO.
i can see rust being a bit more challenging to support properly in an IDE and there still being various special cases not handled properly, and i’m glad that it’s free to use non-commercially, but with jetbrains rustrover i frequently see it calling out errors in code that happily compiles, autocomplete being semi-random in how it wants to complete today, which seems to have gotten worse with their recent AI pushes, and even a couple times the entire IDE locking up not too long ago, though i don’t remember whether the last part was in rustrover or one of their other IDEs. overall pycharm has been pretty stable for me, as long as you provide it with a pre-existing venv or let it create one for you, as the integration with the latest and greatest™ python package manager may not be there yet.
Pfff, all these amateurs here using Vim. Y’all should use Emacs. You still have all of these problems, but you get to act all superior about it. /s (except for the superiority complex; that’s real)
I use Emacs honestly just because it’s more FUN for me. It’s such an open book internally that when things break, I find I can usually figure it out. There aren’t that many environments that really feel that way. I get that it’s not everybody’s cup of tea, but man am I glad to have it.
Just use Vim!
(This user was taken out back and shot)
I do all my edits using sed inserts, like a real dev.
Just use
edlike the gods intendedI use butterflies
What about Edd and Eddy?
programmer vegeta is having a bad time
The fediverse is just so geeky. I don’t know what this means. The wikipedia article kinda makes sense, but there’s a lot of terminology in there. It seems like an advanced editor with many features - like a bat-mobile for programmers, but it keeps breaking down?
Basically yeah, it’s a text editor with a lot of features geared towards making programing easier, e.g. an equivalent of a spell checker but for code. Like any software, some IDEs/features can be either poorly designed or unstable, which can be aggravating when you spend your day working with it.
Are IDEs the microsoft word of programming?
Yes and no.
You can avoid all these problems by just coding in Word ofc, but then again all these problems will still happen
That is a pretty good way to look at it.
Something something, use Linux.
Except for buried settings, only Visual Studio is like this.
I know you joke but topheavy IDEs are discouraging new coders at an alarming rate
More than the complete collapse of the programming profession is discouraging new coders?
More than one thing can destroy an industry at the same time, you know
No, they are not a flat rectagle creature with arms and legs.
FlatIDEners think otherwise. You are just a conformist not willing to check the facts. IDE is flat! Booo!
IDE - The precursor to SATA? I don’t get it…
Edit: Learn something new every day! Thank you!
From my limited knowledge (just started learning python) an IDE (integrated developing environment) is a program where you can do multiple things in one place while writing a program like coding, debugging or even running your application
I never knew it used to be a storage standard. Turns out it was renamed to PATA at some point.
As someone else said, IDE refers to development software like Visual Studio, Eclipse, and others. Nowadays a lot of text editors (VS Code/ium, Sublime Text, and many others) come with enough features to pass as an IDE too, but some people still somehow differentiate between them.
Can someone tell me if I’m just stupid and doing something wrong ?
Neovim with Python lsp works 90000% better than any Python extension on vscode for me. I don’t hate vscode and I occasionally use it but it kind of sucks for python ? Does anyone have any kind of info that could help, what extensions are you using ?
vscode isn’t an ide either. one of the big problems i’ve seen with its python lsp server is that it doesn’t work if the project structure is “wrong”, which means that usability is limited.
Crys in Vivado
Intellij is sometimes like that, e.g. I hate not being able to change my gradle cache folder globally, instead of per project
Sometimes it stops showing the ui and just runs in the background
Sometimes it fails to git pull and the rollback menu is broken
Sometimes the hot reload bugs out and it recompiles 1000+ classes
But i still love it
