Punching up is fine. Men run the world, and women are mistreated, often considered property (or we should “get back” to that time), so yeah, leave women out of this. We shouldn’t punch down.
Edit: cool. In a post where we could have otherwise discussed healthcare of men in society, the above poster is the one who brought up women getting special treatment, but I’m the one who is the problem.
They’re not punching at women, they’re trying to point out a problem in western society: men with problems like these tend to struggle to find help compared to women.
Punching at a mentally unstable guy who’s struggling with his health and personal life is not punching up either.
Well the above poster seems to be making the argument that its ok because hes a man and that overrides his mental illness. The point of my comment is that you dont get to “punch” just because someone is perceived to be above you in some random hierarchy.
Up is subjective and arbitrary. It implies that there is a strict and clear hierarchy to oppression, discrimination, and marginalization and ignores intersectionality. If a black woman is shitty to a disabled white woman, is she punching up or down? How do you weigh the different traits that lead to marginalization? Who’s above who? How does this change as conditions change (for example racism in China vs racism in America). And in the end, what goal is it helping you achieve? Is it an effect strategy to achieve that goal? In the end, there is a more complex situation at play here that can’t be boiled down to “you’re above me so it is okay for me to be shitty to you.”
Nah, it’s more the whole “punching up is fine” thing.
Above this is plenty of discussion about how his friends did him dirty, and trying to piece how this coulda gone better, a better response to the dude immediately going “BuT IF A wOmaN!!” Would have been “so why don’t you make changes instead of going to the blame well?” Instead of “punching up is fine”
It’s funny because if this was about a woman it would be a Lifetime movie, but toxic males deserve only scorn.
Punching up is fine. Men run the world, and women are mistreated, often considered property (or we should “get back” to that time), so yeah, leave women out of this. We shouldn’t punch down.
Edit: cool. In a post where we could have otherwise discussed healthcare of men in society, the above poster is the one who brought up women getting special treatment, but I’m the one who is the problem.
Okay
They’re not punching at women, they’re trying to point out a problem in western society: men with problems like these tend to struggle to find help compared to women.
Punching at a mentally unstable guy who’s struggling with his health and personal life is not punching up either.
That’s just being an asshole.
Shittiness is not gendered. You can be a shitty man and you can be a shitty woman but the only person of any persuasion being shit here is you.
Punching up is not fine. Its a cope phrase people use to glaze over their shitty behaviour.
“Up” is so vague it can be anything.n
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Well the above poster seems to be making the argument that its ok because hes a man and that overrides his mental illness. The point of my comment is that you dont get to “punch” just because someone is perceived to be above you in some random hierarchy.
Up is subjective and arbitrary. It implies that there is a strict and clear hierarchy to oppression, discrimination, and marginalization and ignores intersectionality. If a black woman is shitty to a disabled white woman, is she punching up or down? How do you weigh the different traits that lead to marginalization? Who’s above who? How does this change as conditions change (for example racism in China vs racism in America). And in the end, what goal is it helping you achieve? Is it an effect strategy to achieve that goal? In the end, there is a more complex situation at play here that can’t be boiled down to “you’re above me so it is okay for me to be shitty to you.”
Very true
er… not quite as true.
Are black women making TV shows about disabled white women?
Nah, it’s more the whole “punching up is fine” thing.
Above this is plenty of discussion about how his friends did him dirty, and trying to piece how this coulda gone better, a better response to the dude immediately going “BuT IF A wOmaN!!” Would have been “so why don’t you make changes instead of going to the blame well?” Instead of “punching up is fine”