but as long as Germany stays a good cop the Israeli left still has an ally, is able to exert political pressure.
The Israeli left, who is persecuted in Germany, for instance by forcing Omri Boehm out of the Buchenwald liberation commemoration. Also “good cops” dont hand weapons to mass murder suspects.
Germany has demanded a pledge from Israel to only use it for actions compatible with international law. I know how that sounds, I know what you think about it: “Oh, interesting, they’re setting a trap”. (That is what you thought, didn’t you?).
It is more like “give me a pinky promise and i trust you. Just let me out of responsibility”. Also that radar is used to facilitate bomb and drone strikes. It doesn’t matter if it is not the explosive part of a weapon system that is delivered. Any military or dual use good is complicity.
It’s not like Israel wouldn’t be able to produce all the weapons they need to turn the whole of Palestine into mulch on their own, btw.
Except they didn’t because they couldn’t and mostly relied on foreign military aid. but even if they had the production capacities, they would need the raw materials. These again facilitate complicity.
Germany basically does this out of the recognition that Hezbollah etc. exist and would exploit Israeli weakness.
The Hezbollah that was pressured into a ceasefire through a heavy bombing campaign on Lebanon killing thousands of people at the time these new shipments were announced?
Also pick one. Either Israel can make all the stuff themselves or they need help. Both at the same time isnt possible.
Anniversary of 60 years of diplomatic relations, it had to be done.
No. Shaking hands with a wanted war criminal never has to be done. See Putin not being visited for the 80 years end of WW2. Unless you want Putin to be visited and his hands shook?
And btw can you explain what practical impact the “delay” has. The warrants are still out, they’re still not in custody.
Every month of earlier pressure means earlier sanctions means earlier end to the atrocities, means hundreds if not thousands or tens of thousands of people killed.
It is also completely insufficient, yes.
As has been all responses to German demands for the past two years. Remaining on the side of just making demands without exerting real pressure means to remain apathic to the atrocities committed at best, but very often complicit.
As has been all responses to German demands for the past two years. Remaining on the side of just making demands without exerting real pressure means to remain apathic to the atrocities committed at best, but very often complicit.
Ok, let’s game this out: Germany halts all weapons exports to Israel, the EU sanctions Israel into oblivion. What happens? The US quadruple down, Israeli fascists take the opportunity and wrap up the last Israeli in their victim narrative (“see we told you they’re all antisemites they want us dead”), leading to the fascists reigning with complete impunity. Commence mulching of Palestine. And all that because the adults decided to leave the room.
I would also very much like to live in a different world. In a world where simple, moral acts result in simple, moral, results. But that ain’t the world we’re living in.
Save your breath when it comes to Germany, if you want to change the equation focus on the US. One of the two would like to build skyscrapers on the Gaza beachfront to make some quick bucks, the other’s reaction to that is “WTF dude”.
Also pick one. Either Israel can make all the stuff themselves or they need help. Both at the same time isnt possible.
Turning Palestine into mulch is much easier done than defending against incursions by actual armies. Starving Palestine is even easier, and no amount of not sending weapons will prevent Israel from doing that.
EU makes full sanctions -> bans all ships carrying military and dual use goods from entering ports -> Option A Israel stops. Option B, EU countries agree on a military mission to force an aid corridor into Gaza by Sea. If Israel attacks, Nato article 5.
The idea that Israel would hold back and the US willing to double down and ramp up support and Israel somehow listening to the EU while doing the exact opposite of what is demanded is absurd. If the EU would get its shit together, the US and Israel would stand alone. The EU could get access to the surrounding countries and exert pressure to block US influence. Then the US would have to decide to go to WW3 against the EU to protect Israel? This wont happen.
This is appeasement nonsense. And it is in no way representing “adult” politics. Appeasement didnt work with South Africa. Appeasement didnt work before. Appeasement doesn’t work with Russia. Appeasement never works with fascists. The only thing that stops them is to take away any support they have.
And time is running out. We are looking at hundreds of thousands if not millions of people being genocided by starvation this year. There is nothing “adult” about watching a crime and not doing anything to stop it.
The Israeli left, who is persecuted in Germany, for instance by forcing Omri Boehm out of the Buchenwald liberation commemoration. Also “good cops” dont hand weapons to mass murder suspects.
It is more like “give me a pinky promise and i trust you. Just let me out of responsibility”. Also that radar is used to facilitate bomb and drone strikes. It doesn’t matter if it is not the explosive part of a weapon system that is delivered. Any military or dual use good is complicity.
Except they didn’t because they couldn’t and mostly relied on foreign military aid. but even if they had the production capacities, they would need the raw materials. These again facilitate complicity.
The Hezbollah that was pressured into a ceasefire through a heavy bombing campaign on Lebanon killing thousands of people at the time these new shipments were announced?
Also pick one. Either Israel can make all the stuff themselves or they need help. Both at the same time isnt possible.
No. Shaking hands with a wanted war criminal never has to be done. See Putin not being visited for the 80 years end of WW2. Unless you want Putin to be visited and his hands shook?
Every month of earlier pressure means earlier sanctions means earlier end to the atrocities, means hundreds if not thousands or tens of thousands of people killed.
As has been all responses to German demands for the past two years. Remaining on the side of just making demands without exerting real pressure means to remain apathic to the atrocities committed at best, but very often complicit.
Ok, let’s game this out: Germany halts all weapons exports to Israel, the EU sanctions Israel into oblivion. What happens? The US quadruple down, Israeli fascists take the opportunity and wrap up the last Israeli in their victim narrative (“see we told you they’re all antisemites they want us dead”), leading to the fascists reigning with complete impunity. Commence mulching of Palestine. And all that because the adults decided to leave the room.
I would also very much like to live in a different world. In a world where simple, moral acts result in simple, moral, results. But that ain’t the world we’re living in.
Save your breath when it comes to Germany, if you want to change the equation focus on the US. One of the two would like to build skyscrapers on the Gaza beachfront to make some quick bucks, the other’s reaction to that is “WTF dude”.
Turning Palestine into mulch is much easier done than defending against incursions by actual armies. Starving Palestine is even easier, and no amount of not sending weapons will prevent Israel from doing that.
EU makes full sanctions -> bans all ships carrying military and dual use goods from entering ports -> Option A Israel stops. Option B, EU countries agree on a military mission to force an aid corridor into Gaza by Sea. If Israel attacks, Nato article 5.
The idea that Israel would hold back and the US willing to double down and ramp up support and Israel somehow listening to the EU while doing the exact opposite of what is demanded is absurd. If the EU would get its shit together, the US and Israel would stand alone. The EU could get access to the surrounding countries and exert pressure to block US influence. Then the US would have to decide to go to WW3 against the EU to protect Israel? This wont happen.
This is appeasement nonsense. And it is in no way representing “adult” politics. Appeasement didnt work with South Africa. Appeasement didnt work before. Appeasement doesn’t work with Russia. Appeasement never works with fascists. The only thing that stops them is to take away any support they have.
And time is running out. We are looking at hundreds of thousands if not millions of people being genocided by starvation this year. There is nothing “adult” about watching a crime and not doing anything to stop it.