Is a brazzers porn director an artist? If your definition says he is then it is a wrong definition.
Usually it’s not a very high standard but it is a standard, and even without getting into proper erotica and staying with pulp: Lemon stealing whores exist. Even Gonzo in itself is a choice, breaking through the traditional structure, opting to completely eradicate the fourth wall, the pretence. I bet it takes quite some skill to portray the fantasy of being a camera man on a porn set vs. the reality of it.
Art is not like enlightenment, it’s more like meditation. You don’t need to be good at it to be doing it.
On the most basic level art is means of communication.
Nope that’d be language (in whatever form). The core of art is intent. It’s the science of subjective choice, there’s no requirement to be intersubjective. It can be just you and the medium, and that medium can even be yourself, c.f. ars vivendi. Plenty of philosophers are artists.
With your definitions everything becomes an art. Even painting your walls and baking bread hence it must be incorrect definition as obviously not everything is an art. There is a difference between craft and an art. You can be a good crafter of nsfw images but that doesn’t mean you are an artist.
Craft is about objective, not subjective, choice. Craft is saying “The wall of this mug needs to be thicker or I won’t have enough clay to trim the surface smooth”. Art is saying “I’d like to do some more experiments with copper inclusions, they tickle my aesthetic sense”. Sorry I watched a lot of Florian Gadsby lately.
The creation of a bread recipe often involves art, it is a conversation between your personal taste and the medium. Figuring out how to bake 100 of those a day in a reliable, reproducible manner, is craft. Different bakers land on different points on that spectrum. It’s no different with goon artists, but they probably all have created a recipe or two.
And I think 99.999% of music played in clubs is boring because I’m not interested in the exploration of the emotional motifs that they do. Doesn’t mean that it’s not art, that they’re not doing any exploration, though, even though there’s large amounts of formulaic slop. It means that most DJs aren’t Boris Brejcha. And even with how good he is, due to setting, audience, he’s no French 79, Aphex Twin, you name it.
My definition accounts for all that nuance, any particular work can be various degrees of art and craft and the 100th bread that our baker bakes from their own artful recipe is no less of a piece of art than Andy Warhol’s 100th print of the same thing.
Usually it’s not a very high standard but it is a standard, and even without getting into proper erotica and staying with pulp: Lemon stealing whores exist. Even Gonzo in itself is a choice, breaking through the traditional structure, opting to completely eradicate the fourth wall, the pretence. I bet it takes quite some skill to portray the fantasy of being a camera man on a porn set vs. the reality of it.
Art is not like enlightenment, it’s more like meditation. You don’t need to be good at it to be doing it.
Nope that’d be language (in whatever form). The core of art is intent. It’s the science of subjective choice, there’s no requirement to be intersubjective. It can be just you and the medium, and that medium can even be yourself, c.f. ars vivendi. Plenty of philosophers are artists.
I disagree
With all of what I said? Damn.
With your definitions everything becomes an art. Even painting your walls and baking bread hence it must be incorrect definition as obviously not everything is an art. There is a difference between craft and an art. You can be a good crafter of nsfw images but that doesn’t mean you are an artist.
Craft is about objective, not subjective, choice. Craft is saying “The wall of this mug needs to be thicker or I won’t have enough clay to trim the surface smooth”. Art is saying “I’d like to do some more experiments with copper inclusions, they tickle my aesthetic sense”. Sorry I watched a lot of Florian Gadsby lately.
The creation of a bread recipe often involves art, it is a conversation between your personal taste and the medium. Figuring out how to bake 100 of those a day in a reliable, reproducible manner, is craft. Different bakers land on different points on that spectrum. It’s no different with goon artists, but they probably all have created a recipe or two.
I disagree with that. I think my definition is superior
And I think 99.999% of music played in clubs is boring because I’m not interested in the exploration of the emotional motifs that they do. Doesn’t mean that it’s not art, that they’re not doing any exploration, though, even though there’s large amounts of formulaic slop. It means that most DJs aren’t Boris Brejcha. And even with how good he is, due to setting, audience, he’s no French 79, Aphex Twin, you name it.
My definition accounts for all that nuance, any particular work can be various degrees of art and craft and the 100th bread that our baker bakes from their own artful recipe is no less of a piece of art than Andy Warhol’s 100th print of the same thing.