• Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    nice info. Do you know when they started shifting from the fish to the cross?

    the fish seems a nicer symbol (food) over the cross (sacrifice) but it is “deeper” to have the sacrifice symbol.

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      The shift was starting around the time of this image I think - pretty solid bit of iconography by the 300s.

      I imagine some of it has to do with the development of a “higher” Christology. I don’t think the evidence suggests that Jesus’s immediate followers believed he was resurrected, but that he came to be identified as a divine figure around the 200s. Then, it makes sense to adopt the cross as your symbol - because you are arguing that your guy defied that brutal execution.

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      3 days ago

      the fish seems a nicer symbol

      Not when it was about “catching fish” as mentioned in the really early stuff. (swapped for Oysters by Lewis Carroll’s homage)

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        I thought it was because of the miracle of the loaves and fish (not christian, through popcultural osmosis I know there was an instance where he … made more fish and bread at a gathering? unsure if this was also the same story where he turned water into wine)

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          It comes from an acrostic - “ησοῦς Χρῑστός Θεοῦ Υἱός Σωτήρ" - means Jesus Christ, God’s son and savior.

          ἸΧΘΥΣ is the greek word for fish. I’m sure the story of the loaves and the fish probably did inspire the acrostic.

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          Earlier than that, even. Mark chapter 1 talks about Jesus first setting up his ministry, and in verses 16 and 17 says:

          As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out to fish for people.”

          This is from the NIV. It’s sometimes translated as “fishers of men”.

          A lot of his early disciples were fisherman, so it likely goes back into that.