If you’re a guy they no doubt also draw conclusions about your dick size, which they know are indisputably accurate because memes.
Unpopular opinion: unless you regularly haul things, you don’t need a truck of any size. Unless you regularly go off-road or are transporting 5+ people and a dog or more, you don’t need an SUV. You can rent one of those for the rare times you need it! And in the meantime, you’ll save gas money and pedestrian deaths will go down…
I will somewhat disagree with the SUV comment, as my escape counts as an SUV, and I regularly fill it far past a sedan’s capacity when I go grocery shopping (the savings from driving 3+hours each way to the nearest Costco far outstrips the cost in gas) and when I go camping.
And, as I camp in a tent, and have kayaks I can strap to the roof, I don’t need a truck at all, because my car can get me to every campsite that a truck can get to, often easier than someone dragging a camper can.
Plus, since its a plug-in hybrid, and Canada doesn’t burn fossil fuels for power, my fuel efficiency is significantly better than the average sedan in drives under 100km, and breaks even above that.
On a 60km drive, I average 2L/100km, a 100km drive I average 4.6L/100km, and on a 300km drive I average 6.6L/100km (100km/h), 7.5L/100km (110km/h), or 8.8L/100km (120km/h), which is well within what sedans average.
All absolutely valid points and my only counter argument here is that is why wagon sedans exist. Growing up in Poland a wagon was the family hauler bringing all the stuff you mentioned to pretty much anywhere you need. People even haul rvs with the wagons and you’re still smaller and relatively more pedestrian friendly. Hell they even make performance cars in wagon spec like the bmw m3. Not saying that to discredit your point just that there was another option before the suv craze came about
…wagons nearly don’t exist anymore in the US market, but i concur: hatchbacks, wagons, and minivans are purpose-designed vehicles for the way people use them in the real world, whereas modern trucks and SUVs are overwhelmingly poseur props for families in denial of their suburban utility lifestyle…
Fun fact: Only 1.4% of the cars sold in the US are wagons and of them 72% were Subaru Outbacks.
I’ve owned two of them!
That’s because the Outback is pretty much the only wagon available here that isn’t over $100k
Oh man, I really wanted a wagon, but being in Canada the only one available that wasn’t a $90k+ Volvo/mercedes/Audi was a Subaru Outback and I absolutely hated the infotainment system in it. I hate not having physical buttons. So we ended up getting a small suv. I really wish they’d bring over some of the wagon options Europe has.
The last wagon style sedan I had had worse fuel efficiency than a modern f150 does (though it was an early 2000’s model).
Brakes on that thing also scared the shit out of me, it did not like stopping.
The Subaru forester sedans were very popular in New England from the early 200s to like 2014. Idk just saying there are good option, there were even diesel wagons from WV that had solid efficiency later on .
I’ve been thinking about replacing my 2005 car but the only thing I want to replace it with is an electric station wagon, of which Europe has several options and America has 0. I don’t want a compact SUV, I just want a wagon! I’ll probably leave the country before I have any options lol
Station wagons are for mommies in the 1980s; all the cool kids want SUV and pickups.
So car manufacturers made station wagons with upright seating positions and “off road” styling and called them Crossovers.
In reality, they just couldn’t reasonably add the same markup, so they shifted to other products. Also, fuel efficiency standards based on weight made it more profitable to sell larger vehicles, so they had another reason to shift. We really got fucked from every side.
Yeah, my car I always though was a hatchback, but apparently is actually classified as a crossover. The main reason I still have it (other than having been paid off) is because it still gets competitive mpg and it’s so practical. I used it to take all my crap to and from college. I can carry 9ft lumber in the cabin with the passenger seat down. I’ve gone on a service road in a state park and I didn’t get stuck.
The thought has crossed my mind to get an electric conversion for it instead of buying a new spyware riddled car 😆
I wish Canada didn’t burn fossil fuels for power but as an Albertan I can promise you that we do.
Sorry, the parts of Canada that don’t idolize Texas don’t burn fossil fuels.
trailer for hauling and then own whatever you want for driving, a subaru impreza will handle the offroad most people think you need a truck for. If you haul often a van shits on a truck in terms of cargo space, practicality, protection of cargo, ease of loading and carry a trailer while you load or unload. Modern american trucks are just crossovers with a tiny, useless flatbed bought to appear country. Trucks are only for the edge case of construction workers and maintenance crews who have to actually go off road (as in area in the forest where there is no road, not a gravel path a ferrari can drive on without issues). And for serious offroad that requires you to actually carry more than a single chainsaw: unimog.
I disagree. I have a modern American 3/4 ton diesel pickup. It’s not a crossover. I’m not in construction or maintenance, I work in tech.
I have four horses and a gooseneck trailer for the horses that the truck hauls once or twice a week. I also have a flatbed for hauling hay or moving the tractor.
For literally everything else i have a small car, because that truck is awful to drive in traffic or urban areas.
A friend of mine used to have a Suburban because her husband was a boat salesman and needed something that could tow big boats. She called it the Urban Assault Vehicle.
If you haul anything pickup trucks are laughably bad to do so.
Modern pickups are bad. Old pickups were fantastic for “I need to pile a bunch of (insert thing here) in the back.”
But now every pickup is a massive motor for a tiny truckbed that my ford focus wagon has better hauling capacity.
the few local american pickups here in europe are only here because of appearances and do no off road or hauling. The pickups that do hauling are exclusively japanese and they are all beat to shit cause they get used as designed.
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh if we were allowed to have the Toyota Hilux here I’d buy one immediately. Fucking closest to a truck I “like” is a Ford Maverick because it’s a “smaller truck”…
But they ONLY come in crew cab. For fucks sake I want a standard cab full size small pickup truck about the size of a HIlux or a ranger from the 90s. And frankly if they made one a hybrid I’d have a dream car, but hell I’d take a 4 cylinder. But nope. Around here they’re the shortest fucking bed for the biggest fucking motor that’s effectively an SUV that is somehow MORE useless because the wall between the bed and the cab means I can’t lay seats down. A fucking mini-van is a better truck in the US.
I apologize… this is an angry angry rant I have to do like once every other week…
You can arrange to import one. The US has a 25 year ban on cars that weren’t available originally. When it gets to the US modify to your liking and cop friendly nods from car guys who’ll appreciate the effort
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1999-toyota-hilux-manual-4x4-dual-cab/SSE-AD-18374144
Its okay, its better to vent on internet than in real life.
Id like a subaru brat. But it’s rare and i have no practical reason to own it.
My friend has a dodge ram. When his girlfriend left him, he moved out and i helped him move. I asked if i should bring my bus that i use for work. He said nah, DODgE RAM. We drove 4 times just to move his sofa and his side table. Piece by piece. All of his stuff would’ve fit in my bus and maybe something on his pickup. And my bus was still a bit shorter, because he couldn’t fit on his new parking spot, but i did.
Pretty much this. Like I said about my Focus, I’ve straight up driven with 2x4s that wouldn’t fit in coworkers trucks because the 4 foot bed is useless for that and I could fold seats down.
How so? Hauls my tools and supplies around the town just fine.
Capitalism and consumerism is about buying shit we dont need man.
That why America doesnt buy public healthcare, its needed so we dont buy it. Ok?
Everyone has things they want but dont need. I doubt that guy has any real need for that thing but I’m sure it’s a ton of fun to own and drive around nevertheless.
unless you regularly haul things, you don’t need a truck of any size. Unless you regularly go off-road or are transporting 5+ people and a dog or more, you don’t need an SUV. You can rent one of those for the rare times you need it!
Maybe… but why not go further?
Unless you regularly transport more than 1 person, you don’t need a car. You can rent one of those for the rare times you need it!
Buy a motorcycle or bike instead?
Buy a motorcycle or bike instead?
No thanks, I choose life.
I’m 3yrs into having done this, and it only works because my wife has a car so really we only got rid of the 2nd car so doesn’t count.
I think it’s a really valid proposal for 2nd cars but even then only if you’re not needing to transport kids at multiple times
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You’re a shitty reductio ad absurdum, my kid and I live in England where rain was invented and I do fine without a car.
Just throwing it out there that rain gear exists and you can 100 percent ride a motorcycle or a bicycle when it’s raining without getting wet. I think everyone would be a better driver if they had to experience getting somewhere on two wheels.
Hell, a motorcycle can generate enough electricity to power heated clothing to keep you warm even during New England winters. If there’s no ice on the road I’m riding my motorcycle to work!
Hi I own only a moped and when it rains/snows:
- if it’s not too severe I just wear a poncho and be a bit miserable
- if it’s too severe I take a cab
the occasional cab fare is peanuts compared to what I’d be paying in gas and insurance
I rent a car/van sometimes when I need to haul stuff. Same deal
(This is our asshole; I hope that counts)
I guess technically he’s my asshole too.
For more than a decade I only rode a motorcycle in Florida. I even made trips - with a passenger - to Costco. It required plenty of straps and saddlebags and a big backpack, but it was doable to get groceries in it for two people.
This was on a Triumph Scrambler, and I had added a luggage rack etc, so not something you could do easily on a stock sport bike, but you don’t need a big touring bike for this kind of living, either.
The times I needed to haul something big, I rented a truck from a big box hardware store. Saved a ton of money over the years, and only now have a Prius (with a roof rack to haul stuff) because I live in a place with harsh winters. No sidecar yet, but thinking hard about it…
I would absolutely own a bike instead of a small car if I was the only one on the road. I just don’t trust other drivers enough to do it.
Put a Ford Focus behind it to show what people actually need.
Too bad the gov blocks smaller pickups from being imported. Practical sized vehicles.
So that people refocus their goals? fingerguns
Shouldn’t generalize like that. People with a legitimate need to space for hauling cargo exists.
Agreed but considering how bed sizes haven’t changed but the rest of the trucks tripled in size his point isn’t too far off the mark
Sorry about your massive penis.
Nothing to apologize for
In the future, cars will be so big that we will need a second, smaller car to drive us to the driver’s seat.
Mammoth tank vs medium tank
Ford Ranger 2004 vs 2024 is like Mario before and after mushroom.
I miss the little Ranger. That thing was the perfect pickup truck (if your market didn’t get the actual perfect pickup truck, the Toyota Hilux)
Thanks for blinding everyone on the road with your Dodge.
Everyone should get a Honda Element.
One for hauling, towing, driving around offroad and onroad and basically doing everything in and the other for taking it to american car meets.
For anyone interested: there’s a new community for small trucks !keitrucks@lemm.ee
Well lookit that, I am interested! Thanks.
If only we could import the modern ones to the US!
The TELO Truck looks promising, I just wish any of the people showcasing it asked the CEO about the data it collects and their privacy policy.
I’ve never seen something as big as the one on the left, in my entire life. Probably because I haven’t been to the US in a long ass time?
This isn’t from the US either
I have a 2011 Nissan titan that is completely stocked no big stupid lift just some different rims and that’s it. It has done great work for me and my family I’ve never had any issues with it I regularly keep it serviced and it will do 20mpg. The amount of people I know who have big giant bro diesel trucks with 2 story high lifts and political stickers on them that never see a speck of dirt and just go to the McDonald’s is stupid. And they all complain about gas prices yet at the same time brag about how there trucks do 8mpg to own the libs…
20! Wow… I get from close to 40 on my Toyota auris most weeks. And that’s mostly urban driving
Fuck people who buy those big beasts, then can’t handle them for shit, and try to park as close to the front door as possible, fucki ng up parking for every other vehicle. Never even trying to park straight…ungh.
Edit: to be fair, i used to own an oversized pick up. Similar but a much much earlier style/model. At the time i regularly traveled forestry roads like, 40 kns into the back country, so i actually needed it. Got rid of it when it was clear i was not going to be going into the field anymore. These do NOT belong in a city.
For the 3 days out of the year they might actually need such a massive beast they can rent a truck. I remember when I was car shopping and told a “car guy” at work I was looking at a Subaru he got all worked up. He tried to talk me into buying a massive SUV or pickup because they were more macho or some shit.
Emotional Support Vehicle
Every trip in a truck with an empty bed is a waste. Tooling around with stuff in the bed without the intent to deliver/use it at your destination is even worse.
Yet that describes 99.99999% of all pickup truck use in America. Just a huge ass waste of gas and space in parking lots.
Trucks are expensive too! If I were a scam artist I would definitely be targeting people driving shiny pickup trucks with empty beds. Because they definitely aren’t practical or realistic people.
Wait: Maybe that’s how MAGA started? 🤔
That’s how you know it’s all for show. People casually forget you can rent trucks for 20 dollars a day too. “Oh well I’m glad I have it for towing and moving”. Bull. How often do you tow really? And even then I’d expect it to sit at home most of the time. Moving? Once a year. Rent a truck. I go to home Depot and rent theirs when I need it.
Buying a truck like that shows you are way too worried about what people think of you, you have to feel “big”, which usually means you’re a small man, and probably bad with money.
People casually forget you can rent trucks for 20 dollars a day too.
Rented a big truck for my move. It was a bitch to drive, cost me 75bucks for 2 hrs (it has the 29.99 in-town advertising plastered on the side) and didn’t fit more shit than a rental van of the same price.
Honestly vans are so much better to move with. Can move so much more, and don’t have to worry about the rain.
I haul shit home two or three times a week, nothing to do with work.
Hell, today picked up a nice mower (free) to fix to fix and use or sell. Also found a cool wooden chair my wife likes for her campsite.
Hauled cull wood from the store to my camp for building stuff last Saturday. Had it not been raining, I was going to take my kayak or canoe to the water today.
You don’t know me or how I live. Could you be any more judgey?
Yes I could, because you use your truck, so I’m glad. You are one of the few. The vast majority of truck owners would do one of those things maybe once a month, and that’s wasteful and posturing.
I’m not talking about you, I’m talking about Dave the accountant in his Oakley’s who drives an hour each way in his big stupid truck, acting aggro on the road just to appear manly, all while never using the truck for any truck things. The truck that carries at max a briefcase.
I just looked up the dimensions of that thing and it has 10cm (3inch) shorter bed than mine. How you even manage to pull that off with a truck that big is beyond me.
These brodozers aren’t used for anything useful. I like having 4’ between the wheelwells and a box long enough to get a full toolbox across the front of the box and still get a 1000L fertilizer tote in it. And low enough that I can climb in the box without a ladder.
I cant actually tell what you drive, it’s hidden behind that douchemobile in front.
I ‘enhanced’ and it seems to be a Nissan, aka ‘pickup-mobile’ for the chicks…
Nissan Navara King Cab D40. In the US these are called Frontier.
Yank tank!
