What kind of things could a person carry to sell and how if they ever had to forcibly leave?
I read diamonds are worthless second hand.
Solid gold seems legit but not sure if coins or jeweler is best.
I saw something about getting gold chains to trade individual links in a emergency.
Are there any other good tips?
Heroin is quite compact, and always holds its value of you’re travelling from lower socioeconomic to higher.
Rofl fleeing country.
Let me get my brick first.
GOLD JEWELRY
Silver coins maybe
Unironically this. And gold of course. Some things never change. Humans shelling out for shiny being one of them.
Bitcoin is best. Can theoretically keep your wallet seed in your head instead of paper or on phone. Anything physical is subject to border guards or other transporation/exgress/ingress assisters.
Consider the worst comes to worst, you won’t have electricity, let alone internet connectivity. Good luck selling any crypto in those circumstances.
Nope, ye olde Gold & Silver are the way to go. Silver for fractional trades, gold for larger ones. Can’t beat a couple thousand years of history.
Didn’t it drop yesterday by like 20%?
close to that at low, but ended up down less than 10%. If you are short term, you had opportunity to make 10% in a day. Long term, it is best performing assets, and should still outperform stock indexes in future. Don’t depend on it for your rent money for the month or year, but longer term you can probably turn it into a significant portion of a house or EV.
Monero if you need something that’s actually untraceable. However, I guess btc is more likely to hold its value in the long term.
If you just want to escape your country, instead of buying illegal stuff in new country, a privacy coin isn’t a necessity.
Brave comment
Brave to remember?
Praising crypto on Lemmy is one of the deadly sins
It seems to work like the stock market. I lost faith when it when up and down 10s of thousands of dollars in a few days that doesn’t mean that it isn’t worth the risk if you are going to lose everything anyway.
Oh yeah I definitely believe more in Crypto and even Bitcoin than the mythical USD printer. But most Lemmings hate it with a passion because it consumes electricity. Same with AI.
Ah well let’s hope no one ever need it then. El salvador just got bought out of using bit coin. Guess someone Is afraid of how useful it is.
They got bribed by the IMF for 1.4 Billion dollars to change back to USD.
Get tattoo of wallet seed lol.
Nah you need to create a cipher in your head, then you tattoo the encrypted seed. Easier to remember than the seed itself, and only readable by you.
Maybe have a second tattoo to remind you what the cipher is lol. Then another for that one…
I’ve considered some other options:
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become an artist and upload “the art” that has a code based ok the number of lines similar to Japanese multiplication with a cipher something like Moriarty uses for text messages but based on the creation date. Common folk will be not be the wiser. Of course that assumes art is not taken down somehow.
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cut my arm/hip open and put a micro SD card or projector in there like in the Bourne identity. Probably could just sew it in clothes but no fun in that. BTW cutting arm open for implant takes months to repair so don’t recommend. They say 1 month but bs. Took 3.
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code is in my paracord based on knots similar to the Futurama nft episode.
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Write disguised poem including your wallet seed.
Don’t make it fire incase someone wants to steal yo rhymes.
Transfer your money to an overseas bank in your target nation.
I Heard there are some complications with that. Some people said consult a lawyer before moving finances.
Good advice. Same with real estate. There are all sorts of laws in target nations you’d never expect. For instance, some nations will tax your money hard if you try to leave them.
That’s why the question is more focused on the “yeah leave now or guarantee camps and possibly worst” situation vs let Me call my law firm of Pearson Specter Litt LLC.
Tough situations could blow over but better to not start from nothing.
Coins vs jewelry doesn’t matter. Weight and purity are all that count when selling.
Besides the utility of a go bag… having portable wealth can get you into trouble with the police or border crossing agents.
Civil asset forfeiture is a very real thing at border crossings. If you must take portable wealth have documentation about where it came from a available
Keep them receipts. Got it.
Receipts don’t matter if they (claim to) “suspect” the source of the money used to buy the gold in the first place.
Lame. Now I need paper copies of my bank statements ?
US police (including border agents) are stealing things from citizens. It doesn’t matter if you have bank statements or receipts if you are dealing with someone who will just steal your shit and claim legal immunity.
True, Well given the circumstances that could be very possible of corrupt d bags at the border.
A few iphones, they tend to have a high demand and prices are stable for a few years.
This is not advice
What do you mean by “this is not advice”? You just gave an answer to their request for advice. Your comment is advice.
It only angers your intelligence officials if it is advice. “Not advice” means begging to stay friends. I advise staying friends, overtly, with NSA, to make sure that first they come for others.
Nu uh
Lol imagine selling them on the streets of Panama.
Currency. Paper money that has high acceptance internationally, like US Dollars or Euros, both can be easily traded by local currency pretty much anywhere in the world.
Idk how long the US dollar will have high acceptance internationally. I mean it may not change much or it may change a lot, depending on what happens the next few years.
My buddy grandpa left murica to go to his home country but traded all his dollars to local currency. When he got off the boat local currently collapsed hard. Huge fear of mine.
Ah fuck that’s scary
Yeah the BRICS will make the dollar obsolete.
/s (if that wasn’t super obvious)
Honestly I didn’t get the joke because i didn’t know anything about BRICS until just now 😅
Russia is trying to make business with poorer countries to prop up the falling ruble, etc. I don’t think the dollar or the euro has anything to be afraid of in the near future.
Seconding this. The best money is still money.
If you can’t get a good stable currency or you have legitimate fears that the currency you can get is in danger of some kind of collapse, gold or silver coins would be your best second bet. In this case you’ll want well known coins minted by an actual government such as an American gold eagle or the Canadian silver maple leaf rather than the coin shaped “rounds” that a lot of places sell. The rounds will have the same issue as jewelry, you’ll have to haggle over weight and quality every time you sell one. Actual coins issued by a government mint will have pretty well established values so they will be easier to sell at a fair price.
Lol, not US Dollars. Not after November 5th, 2024.
Just go Euro
If you’re planning to leave with enough time, register a business or trust or something, transfer your money to a shell company, repeat as necessary then transfer it to the place you’re trying to go.
Use the tools of the people with money not the tools of people who get patted down for loose change by the tsa.
Has this worked before?
It’s one technique used to hide and move money all the time.
A different way is to buy some asset in the destination nation then sell it when you arrive. So like a bond or an etf share or something.
Extremely effective, happens all the time with amounts more than an average person can ever earn.
Why not just use something like Wise to hold your cash?
It’s a UK company but it says Money can only be delivered to a bank account. Unless I can just load it up like a prepaid card? Which is also a other idea I was considering.
Printer ink.
I’m just kidding… listen to all the other smart people in this thread and not me.
Well I think ink is worth more per volume than blood.
Good usecase for bitcoin, bring your private key
Not sure why downvoted. It’s just memorizing a username and password.
Stupid question. How do you then get cash for that wherever you end up? Do you need a bank account?
Same as with everything else: you sell them to someone willing to buy
If you aren’t trying to hide the money, just find an online exchange like Coinbase or Kraken (they’ll ask your real identity of course), then link to bank account, and voila!
Also there are bitcoin ATMs everywhere. They’ll also ask for your identity these days.
and the more a country bans bitcoin, the more there is craigslist or localbitcoin hookup sites.
There are random bitcoin/crypto ATMs in some major cities.
So probably there. Dunno if they require an account.If you use a decentralized trading platform like Bisq, you can even use face to face cash trades that keeps no logs of anything that ties to your identity.
If you are fleeing from the US, get a bunch of guns. Gotta make money from illegal weapon sales overseas, just as the founders intended. 😎
God Bless The 2nd Amendment 🙏
(Also, build a backyard nuke while you’re at it, sell it to the Libyans)
Lol good luck carrying all that.
Y’all don’t got that magic suitcase Leon S. Kennedy has? Ya know, the one that can disappear into thing air and re-appear, whenever you want, and can fit 2 rocket launchers, an automatic gun, a sidearm, boxes of ammo, a bunch of grenades, and vials of colorful herbs.
I was thinking BJ walking out wolfestine with 100 tons of gold but yeah Leon got that dimensions case that’s volume not weight based.
If you’re crossing a border they’ll try to customs you about gold coins/bars, jewelry you can claim is like, a precious family heirloom or your wedding ring or whatever.
One of them stupidly expensive watches, that is worth more than a house, might be the best way to move value across borders. But you gotta find a sucker to buy it.
I think its like $10k for in or out of the US and items of value
Probably a good amount to start over. Grandma wad a refugee and came over with way less. Granted she had to work like uncle ruckus but she also couldn’t read either.
Could you clarify customs me? Someone above mentioned I should have some recipes on those. I dk if that’s enough.
From the phrasing “fleeing a country” I imagine they want to circumvent border checks/wouldn’t be able to pass a border legally anyway?
It’s unclear. If they’re a trans person fleeing the US, they could still pass the border normally for now.
I’m fairly sure these days most refugees at least go through some manner of process in the country they claim asylum in. You can’t really exist off grid anymore
I know some people who largely do exist off grid, but in any case, for asylum claims it’s common to claim asylum after having already crossed the border of the target country without going through the checks. My friends who are asylum seekers have done that. I imagine in general you’d have less chance of being deported if you’re already living in the country vs trying to cross the border.
AFAIK, in all anglosphere countries at least, the vast majority of asylum seekers are processed by border patrol shortly after entry, and they certainly would go through your belongings on the premise there was drugs or a nuke or something and find the gold bars.
