That is how my brain works a well when it comes to Americans. I know that they aren’t all retarded, but I have a hard time dealing with the country and its politics and just how fucking brainwashed the population is.
I also know that if I had been american, I would have voted for Harris despite haaaaating woke shit. To me those are two very separate things. Woke shit is a social trend where one can argue for and against aspects of it and I expected it to find its middle ground with time once the most obnoxious people and companies got over themselves.
But! Ain’t no fucking way I would ever have voted republican as their politics, no matter how much they have catered to my hateboner for woke bs, is fundamentally against pretty much all of my values. Even the democrats are too right wing for me.
I hate America for how it treats its population. I hate that there isn’t free education and healthcare (to the “noThinG iS fREe” crowd = kindly shut up and go jangle your keys in the corner while the adults are talking) and I cannot fathom the work culture over there. To me it is borderline slavery.
To me those issues outweighs my annoyances with Hollywood’s stubborn decision to pump out cringe woke propaganda and call it movies for ten-ish years. I am legit embarrassed for all the dumbasses who voted for trump because of woke entertainment. There is a level of stupidity there that I can’t even begin to unpack.
Then you clearly didn’t pay attention to what I wrote, but oh well, it’s also just one comment and not an indepth essay about why I think and feel this or that way about something. It’s not like the world and the people in it has nuance, so enjoy that black and white thinking of yours. I’m sure you will get far in life with that.
No you’re just assuming a bunch of things because I used the word woke in a negative connotation. You didn’t ask for clarifications or anything, you just jumped straight to insults and assumptions instead of being inquisitive as I would have expected people were on this platform. You can scroll down in the thread and see a more indepth explanation of how I think about the subject where I replied to someone who was interested in a discussion instead of knee-jerk reactions like yours.
You brought a very strong opinion on woke Hollywood media into a discussion on tariffs. I read that you are a foreigner who is so indoctrinated by us political propaganda you have a ‘hateboner’ over ‘woke’ US media. You are pretending that if you were here you wouldn’t have voted with your ‘hateboner.’ You are on a different continent and have a strong enough option to make it prominent. If you were actually here where the propaganda is targeted you’d have voted down the line like everyone else from here who echos the same talking points you brought up.
Your in-depth explanation reduces down to liking movies with homosexuals, just not when it’s ‘woke.’
Since it seems to bother you, you may want to take the time to really deep dive on the idea why Hollywood media has ANY association with the word ‘woke’ on you. What is it about casting a skin color or sexual preference across roles bothers you to the point of hate.
Were you bothered when actors who were gay were cast as straight men?
What about when characters that were traditionally white were cast with non-whites. Samual L Jackson as Nick Fury in Marvel movies.
Hollywood has been experimenting in cross casting for about as long as there have been movies. So what about now makes it so objectionable?
Why is it okay to enjoy an indie movie with homosexual themes but not a major studio production?
For most people it’s straight up exposure to political propaganda.
I’ve had the discussions with others already they got banal awhile ago.
First of all, you don’t know me and you don’t know what my political views are. You just assume that because I dislike it when diversity is cheap and superficial and all about political agendas instead of telling good stories, that I would vote for trump.
Life is a tad but more nuanced than that. When they cast someone like Sam Jackson to play Nick Fury he was still playing the character. When they cast someone like Zegler to play Snow White it could have been the same, but no. During the promotion they had her come out and talk a bunch of shit on the old movie and making her a target for online hate. They have done shit like this for awhile now. They make movies political and divisive when they didn’t have to be. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury wasn’t promoted as now we get to see Nick Fury as a black man. It was just Nick Fury and he was played by Sam Jackson. That is the difference.
It’s okay if we disagree on the topic, but I would really appreciate you not make your biased assumptions about my character. I could make a bunch of assumptions about you too, but instead I am trying to have a discussion. I don’t know you or what your opinions on this and that is. All I know about you is that you project the same divisive and simplistic mindset that was very off putting to me when people who support trump were talking about diversity in media. It is either you love all of it or you hate all of it and depending on what side I’m on, I’ll judge you to be a nazi or a communist. It’s so fucking stupid to think like that.
But it seems you have made up your mind on who I am and I’m apparently bad because I don’t enjoy a very specific brand of corporate pandering. Disregard everything else I have said and deem me an evil trump supporter. You are being very silly.
The irony about the qons that voted against Kamala because “woke”… I mean, donvict and his demons may go after Hollywood, etc…but the thing is, neither the Democrats nor Kamala were or are responsible for a lot of the culture stuff - meaning Hollywood can crank out “woke” trash that makes almost everyone’s eyes roll as long as they can economically sustain it [1], regardless of who is in office. I guess some of the qons really do want donvict to go full Putin/Hitler and make every aspect of life, including movies, bow to his stupid and backwards will.
Imagine if Hollywood has their arm twisted by the magoffs into just cranking out snow-white super xtian Hallmark movie type of dreck for years…gag. Seriously, who the fuck is going to want to watch any of that beyond just a very narrow and stupid demographic?
I honestly don’t understand what upsets a type of person so very much about godawful cultural content to the point that it changes their vote in the political sphere. Lots of magoffs got very GRRRR mad about the latest Doctor Who, but isn’t that the BBC? What the hell would they expect donvict to do, anyway? Ban it somehow? Invade the UK and make them stop? Same for Disney? Who was making them watch anything from Disney? Don’t these people have choices in what they choose to stream? The movies they pay for? I get it - quite a bit of it is unbelievably terrible, but…I don’t remember anyone making me watch anything. The people think something like The Acolyte “ruined their childhood” and now have the knives out for wokeness and Disney, but I have a newsflash - Episode 1 was complete shit and didn’t need “wokeness” to make it so.
These are the same people that cried for decades that they are “made fun of”. Sure, by some content. But also, lots of content completely caters to flyover country/salt of the Earth narratives and always has.
[1] I really don’t understand what the business model is. It looks like Disney especially seems to want to set fire to huge piles of cash? And for what purpose? It almost seems to be creating more reactionaries. And people that they think they are catering to? I don’t know how much they are bound to be customers of things like Star Wars anyway? The term “woke” now is so loaded, unfortunately, but there is miles of distance between having representation and not being nasty to certain marginalized groups, etc., vs hammering in extremely stilted agendas, doing race/gender swapping almost to intentionally alienate the fan base and so on…it’s so cringe that I often wonder if it’s being done in service of oligarchs’ interest in dividing the nation even further, just like corporations doing their silly rainbow/woke-washing stuff.
Indeed. It is utterly bizarre how some people turned to Trump because their entertainment got cringe. Personally, I just decided to not watch those movies.
It’s not like I hate diversity 100% and whenever it pops up in media. There is a very clear difference between when companies like Disney do it and when say an indie director does it. Moonlight is one of my favourite movies and that film is about a gay black man. But it is genuinely dealing with a deeply important subject and handles the material gracefully. And I just love Chirone so much.
That’s one of many amazing ways to handle diversity in media and hell, I do it myself as a writer. I write about diverse characters because I want to see them represented but I also want to tell stories where they aren’t just defined by their skin or their sex or sexuality. They are just people, you know. And that is where I hoped diversity would eventually end up after the woke wave had passed, but now we are here.
And like you said, a reactionary anti-woke wave of hallmark type movies with no diversity at all and only conservative values would grate on me just as much because just like woke, that would just be propaganda and not storytelling.
I just want god stories, man. With awesome characters being challenged and overcoming or failing and being consumed. But eh. Hollywood isn’t doing their job and currently it doesn’t matter because America has way bigger problems than some cringe movies no one really likes if they are honest with themselves.
But yeah… it’s one thing to dislike a social trend and to vote a tyrant into power who is forcing- not only Americans, but the rest of the world to eliminate everything diversity from their companies if they want to trade with America. Like what the fuck? Where will that train end btw? Because no one can agree what is and isn’t woke anymore and I’m legit sitting over here like: sooooo… if a company does a campaign for breast cancer, would that fall under diversity and DEI or? How about if they have hired handicapped people and people with a darker skintone? Are they supposed to fire them? Like where the fuck is the line?
That is how my brain works a well when it comes to Americans. I know that they aren’t all retarded, but I have a hard time dealing with the country and its politics and just how fucking brainwashed the population is.
I also know that if I had been american, I would have voted for Harris despite haaaaating woke shit. To me those are two very separate things. Woke shit is a social trend where one can argue for and against aspects of it and I expected it to find its middle ground with time once the most obnoxious people and companies got over themselves.
But! Ain’t no fucking way I would ever have voted republican as their politics, no matter how much they have catered to my hateboner for woke bs, is fundamentally against pretty much all of my values. Even the democrats are too right wing for me.
I hate America for how it treats its population. I hate that there isn’t free education and healthcare (to the “noThinG iS fREe” crowd = kindly shut up and go jangle your keys in the corner while the adults are talking) and I cannot fathom the work culture over there. To me it is borderline slavery.
To me those issues outweighs my annoyances with Hollywood’s stubborn decision to pump out cringe woke propaganda and call it movies for ten-ish years. I am legit embarrassed for all the dumbasses who voted for trump because of woke entertainment. There is a level of stupidity there that I can’t even begin to unpack.
The fact that you rant about ‘woke’ Hollywood stuff speaks VOLUMES about you and your character.
Then you clearly didn’t pay attention to what I wrote, but oh well, it’s also just one comment and not an indepth essay about why I think and feel this or that way about something. It’s not like the world and the people in it has nuance, so enjoy that black and white thinking of yours. I’m sure you will get far in life with that.
I did read what you wrote. That’s why I made the comment. If you lack the self awareness to understand what you wrote that’s on you.
No you’re just assuming a bunch of things because I used the word woke in a negative connotation. You didn’t ask for clarifications or anything, you just jumped straight to insults and assumptions instead of being inquisitive as I would have expected people were on this platform. You can scroll down in the thread and see a more indepth explanation of how I think about the subject where I replied to someone who was interested in a discussion instead of knee-jerk reactions like yours.
You brought a very strong opinion on woke Hollywood media into a discussion on tariffs. I read that you are a foreigner who is so indoctrinated by us political propaganda you have a ‘hateboner’ over ‘woke’ US media. You are pretending that if you were here you wouldn’t have voted with your ‘hateboner.’ You are on a different continent and have a strong enough option to make it prominent. If you were actually here where the propaganda is targeted you’d have voted down the line like everyone else from here who echos the same talking points you brought up.
Your in-depth explanation reduces down to liking movies with homosexuals, just not when it’s ‘woke.’
Since it seems to bother you, you may want to take the time to really deep dive on the idea why Hollywood media has ANY association with the word ‘woke’ on you. What is it about casting a skin color or sexual preference across roles bothers you to the point of hate.
Were you bothered when actors who were gay were cast as straight men? What about when characters that were traditionally white were cast with non-whites. Samual L Jackson as Nick Fury in Marvel movies. Hollywood has been experimenting in cross casting for about as long as there have been movies. So what about now makes it so objectionable? Why is it okay to enjoy an indie movie with homosexual themes but not a major studio production?
For most people it’s straight up exposure to political propaganda.
I’ve had the discussions with others already they got banal awhile ago.
First of all, you don’t know me and you don’t know what my political views are. You just assume that because I dislike it when diversity is cheap and superficial and all about political agendas instead of telling good stories, that I would vote for trump.
Life is a tad but more nuanced than that. When they cast someone like Sam Jackson to play Nick Fury he was still playing the character. When they cast someone like Zegler to play Snow White it could have been the same, but no. During the promotion they had her come out and talk a bunch of shit on the old movie and making her a target for online hate. They have done shit like this for awhile now. They make movies political and divisive when they didn’t have to be. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury wasn’t promoted as now we get to see Nick Fury as a black man. It was just Nick Fury and he was played by Sam Jackson. That is the difference.
It’s okay if we disagree on the topic, but I would really appreciate you not make your biased assumptions about my character. I could make a bunch of assumptions about you too, but instead I am trying to have a discussion. I don’t know you or what your opinions on this and that is. All I know about you is that you project the same divisive and simplistic mindset that was very off putting to me when people who support trump were talking about diversity in media. It is either you love all of it or you hate all of it and depending on what side I’m on, I’ll judge you to be a nazi or a communist. It’s so fucking stupid to think like that.
But it seems you have made up your mind on who I am and I’m apparently bad because I don’t enjoy a very specific brand of corporate pandering. Disregard everything else I have said and deem me an evil trump supporter. You are being very silly.
The irony about the qons that voted against Kamala because “woke”… I mean, donvict and his demons may go after Hollywood, etc…but the thing is, neither the Democrats nor Kamala were or are responsible for a lot of the culture stuff - meaning Hollywood can crank out “woke” trash that makes almost everyone’s eyes roll as long as they can economically sustain it [1], regardless of who is in office. I guess some of the qons really do want donvict to go full Putin/Hitler and make every aspect of life, including movies, bow to his stupid and backwards will.
Imagine if Hollywood has their arm twisted by the magoffs into just cranking out snow-white super xtian Hallmark movie type of dreck for years…gag. Seriously, who the fuck is going to want to watch any of that beyond just a very narrow and stupid demographic?
I honestly don’t understand what upsets a type of person so very much about godawful cultural content to the point that it changes their vote in the political sphere. Lots of magoffs got very GRRRR mad about the latest Doctor Who, but isn’t that the BBC? What the hell would they expect donvict to do, anyway? Ban it somehow? Invade the UK and make them stop? Same for Disney? Who was making them watch anything from Disney? Don’t these people have choices in what they choose to stream? The movies they pay for? I get it - quite a bit of it is unbelievably terrible, but…I don’t remember anyone making me watch anything. The people think something like The Acolyte “ruined their childhood” and now have the knives out for wokeness and Disney, but I have a newsflash - Episode 1 was complete shit and didn’t need “wokeness” to make it so.
These are the same people that cried for decades that they are “made fun of”. Sure, by some content. But also, lots of content completely caters to flyover country/salt of the Earth narratives and always has.
[1] I really don’t understand what the business model is. It looks like Disney especially seems to want to set fire to huge piles of cash? And for what purpose? It almost seems to be creating more reactionaries. And people that they think they are catering to? I don’t know how much they are bound to be customers of things like Star Wars anyway? The term “woke” now is so loaded, unfortunately, but there is miles of distance between having representation and not being nasty to certain marginalized groups, etc., vs hammering in extremely stilted agendas, doing race/gender swapping almost to intentionally alienate the fan base and so on…it’s so cringe that I often wonder if it’s being done in service of oligarchs’ interest in dividing the nation even further, just like corporations doing their silly rainbow/woke-washing stuff.
Indeed. It is utterly bizarre how some people turned to Trump because their entertainment got cringe. Personally, I just decided to not watch those movies.
It’s not like I hate diversity 100% and whenever it pops up in media. There is a very clear difference between when companies like Disney do it and when say an indie director does it. Moonlight is one of my favourite movies and that film is about a gay black man. But it is genuinely dealing with a deeply important subject and handles the material gracefully. And I just love Chirone so much.
That’s one of many amazing ways to handle diversity in media and hell, I do it myself as a writer. I write about diverse characters because I want to see them represented but I also want to tell stories where they aren’t just defined by their skin or their sex or sexuality. They are just people, you know. And that is where I hoped diversity would eventually end up after the woke wave had passed, but now we are here.
And like you said, a reactionary anti-woke wave of hallmark type movies with no diversity at all and only conservative values would grate on me just as much because just like woke, that would just be propaganda and not storytelling.
I just want god stories, man. With awesome characters being challenged and overcoming or failing and being consumed. But eh. Hollywood isn’t doing their job and currently it doesn’t matter because America has way bigger problems than some cringe movies no one really likes if they are honest with themselves.
But yeah… it’s one thing to dislike a social trend and to vote a tyrant into power who is forcing- not only Americans, but the rest of the world to eliminate everything diversity from their companies if they want to trade with America. Like what the fuck? Where will that train end btw? Because no one can agree what is and isn’t woke anymore and I’m legit sitting over here like: sooooo… if a company does a campaign for breast cancer, would that fall under diversity and DEI or? How about if they have hired handicapped people and people with a darker skintone? Are they supposed to fire them? Like where the fuck is the line?
Urgh.