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  • Your point is like saying if you refuse to pay for a meal then you didn’t get it for free because other people paid for their food. It is like saying that not paying overtime is fine because because they get their base wage.

    Your ‘technically they get minimum wage’ ignores the whole point of tipping being tied directy to the service being provided that I was trying to point out it was fundamentally incorrect.



  • Not tipping punishes the wait staff by reducing their expected source of income that is tied to their labor with zero impact on tipping culture. Trying to justify that with ‘but mah minimum wage’ is just adding insult to injury.

    People who refuse to tip on principle, but still go to places based on tipping culture are assholes. Trying to justify it is just doubling down.

    If you want to punish the business owner, boycott the business. If you want tipping culture to end, work on legislation that allows it to exist.





  • I tip when I go to places that expect tips because my stiffing individual wait staff isn’t going to change anything. If I was going to ‘protest’ I would just boycott sit down restaurants. At this point I only go if someone else really wants to.

    There are tons of place to get good food that doesn’t involve tipping and I can just make food at home too. Counter service restaurants might have a pity jar for tips, but the business is still paying their staff and not expecting 95% of wages to come from that jar.


  • You do understand that the federal minimum wage for tipped positions is about $2 and they only have to bring it up to $7 if almost nobody tips, right?

    The employer not paying more because the wages are primarily tips isn’t as bad as someone who refuses to tip but still expects the same labor. The employer expects someone else to pay for the labor, the non-tipping customer expects free labor.

    Wait staff that stick around do so because the employer treats them well enough and their customer base doesn’t try to fight tipping culture by punishing the wait staff.




  • Sure, some US states and other countries do have some kind of reasonable base pay, but when the expectation is that they will receive tips for the vast majority of their labor then the labor they provide to individual customers is unpaid if they don’t get a tip.

    Do keep in mind that a large number of US states only require businesses to pay two bucks and change per hour for tipped workers unless their overall income including tips is higher that seven bucks and change per hour. If they aren’t getting tips they are not really being paid.

    If someone refuses to tip while everyone else does they are getting something for free at everyone else’s expense while participating in the system they say that they oppose.