No? What did I say that made you think I’m a trump supporter? I’m criticizing folks for celebrating harm coming to their fellow Americans.

No? I’m honestly not sure I understand your question about the civil war. The parallel throws me off because the point I’m making is Dems are maybe not “just as racist” as Rs but the fact they’re proving latinos were seen as pawns to be used when the Dems platform was basically everything Rs wanted while Trump was in office (minus family separations. let me know if you think I’m totally off). There’s certainly parallels to the civil war, the Northerners absolutely did not like it when free black American citizens first started to move there when fleeing terrorism I’m the South. That’s how we got red-lining and the modern for-profit prison system.

I am absolutely not doing what you’re saying. Let me know how I came off that way. I’m trying to be as specific as possible here. People that are celebrating bad things happening to their fellow Americans. Stop. That’s it. That is gross, to me. I think it’s bad philosophy and atrocious politics. We’re not in a civil war, we’re discussing how our fellow citizens voted not how they shot at our kids. Wait, it’s not even that. We’re simply discussing Americans that didn’t know anything.

Here’s my silly accusatory question: Our people didn’t vote. Because of that we celebrate latinos being deported?

Wish this could be a light conversation. This is truly not that serious. It’s a chat on fuckin lemmy (imagine this place is huge one day. lol)

Yeah, I think the problem was we just assumed everyone agreed with us on that. Those algorithms are real! lol. It’s apparently more and more difficult to even conceive of people that may disagree with us

Still, it’s legit surprising how many Dems assumed we’d have literally every Biden supporter voting again just because that’s what happened last time. I mean, I’m a fairly annoying nonwhite feminist and even I still think not using a white man as the candidate has been an unnecessary risk each time - especially when you consider the policies the DNC will enact are the exact same anyway.

Man… real economic change that benefits the working class would be so sick - a guy can dream

What exactly are you referring to? I’m saying I think it’s gross to celebrate bad things happening to people you disagree with. If my brother was happy that I was scammed, I’d think he’s a dick. If he later said he actually cared about me I’d remember him laughing.

I simply don’t see my fellow Americans as the enemy, I see them as people I disagree with. I see the wealthy people and the institutions that protect them as the enemy. Helping to divide poor people is very much against what I’d consider good politics

You’re saying leftist accelerationists are saying that? Weren’t they saying don’t vote/vote Trump because that will help people realize they need change or some bs like that? How did/does it seem like I’m saying that? What did I comment that caused you to have that assumption/reaction to what I was saying? The election’s over. Votes are cast. Let’s not be sore losers. Let’s talk. Let’s learn. Idk, back to basics time, to me. This is not the time to say I knew/know everything, no one better try to approach me with an alternative POV

That said, I get there’s a lot of pressure from bad actors testing literally everything we believe in.

Ok, we can agree to disagree on the effectiveness of that political strategy. I’ve yet to see it succeed, personally, and I think it just kind sucks how our party is so unwilling to compromise/work with literally anyone that doesnt fully support the Democratic party’s neoliberal agenda - tax cuts for the rich and of course more bombs (except gay soldiers are also allowed to launch them at brown people)

It’s wild how y’all can’t even see it or just immediately assume I’m a trump supporter or something. lol. Reactionary politics/ideologies are so silly, imo

I was thinking of the DNC. They raised like a billion dollars in 2 months or something. I’d consider that significant political power

It’s so gross how much some/the majority of libs are enjoying shitting on small, powerless groups that didn’t support their preferred candidate

If I say, the earth isn’t a perfect sphere and that actually it’s a bit oval/elliptical (or whatever or supposedly is) and then someone answers all pissy and asking me to prove it, do you really think I’m likely to help them understand my position if I find them rude and annoying? Most people that genuinely want to understand others’ point of view don’t say things like “or was that someone else’s fault?” They say things like"can you explain why you think that?" or maybe “I’ve been thinking xyz, why is it you think abc instead?”

I don’t understand what you’re saying. I’m trying to do the exact opposite of celebrating anyone’s misfortune. That’s kinda gross, to me

I know people that can’t even vote that are likely going to have to seriously consider what states they visit or worse. It’s wild that people that supposedly voted against it now support it because they want to feel good about themselves. Classic American shit, tbh

“I’ma be disrespectful to you, but I expect you to teach me!”

This ain’t a debate. lol. If you want people to share their knowledge with you, come correct. Most people would be happy to share information. When you act all dishonest it makes no one want to even talk to you unless they agree with you

Lol. How brave /s

Show your true colors y’all! Finally, you can stop pretending you truly care about struggling Americans that don’t share the same values as you - coincidentally, exactly like your slightly more racist/white-supremacist neighbors

Hopefully we can at least admit rural folks are absolutely correct in feeling like we hate them. I mean, that still won’t win us any elections but it’s a step in the right direction - one towards a more honest party

Now tell us your thoughts on latinos that don’t agree with you. What do you hope happens to them?

Lotta libs soundin real fuckin evil lately

Yeah, I’ve just got the book “Enemy of All Mankind” which is about the period of time when the East India Co. was just getting going. Apparently that time intersects with three big shifts: the first international pirate manhunts, the start of the British Empire, and the creation of the corporation. It tells a crazy story and I absolutely loved it

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Reactionaries suck and I’d hate to date one

Every American should learn about the so called zoot suit “riots”

White American sailors got in a fight with Mexican Americans. It’s unclear what started it but the following actions of American sailors provides good context. After the initial fight, sailors started to randomly target Mexican-Americans and jumping them. Of course, there was retaliation and it got really crazy - I won’t spoil it for anyone interested.

The reason I mention it is because it’s fascinating to see how media organizations like the LA Times covered it. They unanimously blamed “gangs” of Mexicans and didn’t blame demonstrably racist American sailors whatsoever - they were obviously brave patriots, and not you know fuckin fascists

Have you spent any time trying to understand the recent events that happened in Amsterdam? It seems like Israelis were the instigators and participating in despicable behavior, according to first-hand reports, but I’m absolutely open to being corrected - this is a developing story, afaik

I’ll admit I find comments blindly defending authoritarian racists advocating for an ongoing genocide deeply concerning, myself.

I mean, Harris and the Dems didn’t even try, like seriously. Getting Beyonce and all the other celebrities our fellow moronic Americans already see as members of the illuminati is not trying, it’s literally the opposite

I mean, they spent $50m+ in fuckin Ohio! We lost fuckin Georgia while they were jerking off Cheney’s and trying to convince white folks in the suburbs not to be who they are

It’s legit insane to see the party straightup abandon working class demographics. Then again, this is the same party that now literally spends millions of dollars each primary on getting votes for Republican politicians

Hasan Poker ain’t for everyone but he’s super knowledgeable and provides great context for ongoing issues. I mainly watch on YouTube so the clips are edited down and even more context (charts, sources, etc) are added.

I mean, what did you think when you learned that the US was worried about something as basic as surgical/n95 masks during the pandemic because we simply didn’t produce any domestically?

Seems absolutely silly not to think your country should have some say in how computer processors are developed. I highly recommend the book Chip War to anyone interested in learning more.

That all said, my understanding is all chip design is dependent on design software entirely owned by US companies - so there’s that at least.

I didn’t think any of those companies did any manufacturing. Are we talking about the same thing? My understanding was there was only three names in manufacturing (the ones I mentioned)

What do you mean by it would force us not to tiptoe around China?

On that note, what do you think about Trump’s policy against Huawei when he was president? I’m inclined to think it’s a good thing despite it not being something Obama (or Clinton or Biden/Harris) would do