One of the refunds reasons you can select is “the game doesn’t run on my PC”. This is completely valid.
Or do as I do.
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Buy game.
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Never play it.
I have a problem.
Or as I do:
- Watch videos of Cyberpunk
- Think of buying it
- Realize I still haven’t finished Mass Effect
- Never actually buy Cyberpunk.
Currently I’m thinking of Baldur’s gate 3, but you know… I’ll probably get around to it in a few years.
Buying any game after 3-5 years is the way to go. The bugs are fixed, patches are out, so mods are stable and most of the time you can find a sale where it costs 10-20€. And if you forget about it before that time, that means the game was not worth it
On top of that, there might be a bundle with the base game + a few DLCs + christmas discount or whatever.
drm removed
GoG, my friend
This is high-seas option
I think the last game I bought on release was Fallout 4. I’ll still enjoy a game just as much of it is two years old and only $20.
Fighting games would like to have a word
Why? What’s up with fighting games?
The lifeblood of fighting games is the online community. If you wait too long, everyone online is either way better than you or has moved on to the next fighting game.
Oh. That sucks. “Previous” fighting games don’t have people that stayed?
When I was finally playing Dark Souls 2, I was surprised that finding someone to play with was not hard. Fighting games scene might be different, though
The people who stay have often been there for years and you can’t really fight them because they’re so good.
You’re allowed to get another game even if you haven’t finished a previous one. You’re only here for like 80ish years so why not sample all that interests you?
This is what I feel. I’ve finished ToTK and Baldurs Gate 3 once(so far…), but beyond that I haven’t finished a game in probably years. Hasn’t stopped me from having fun in tons of games over the years. I usually play for gameplay more than story anyways, with a couple exceptions.
Video game monogamy is a recipe for no fun 👍
It’s not that great tbh. I spent maybe 6 hours in it and didn’t get hooked. With BG3 however, I’m at 60 hours and I can’t put it down
Cyberpunk feels like it so much missed potential it almost made me sad playing it… The game is gorgeous and in many ways it really nails the cyberpunk feeling, which I’ve been very fond of since I was a kid so I would just love to be able to immerse myself in a game like this.
However it keeps slapping me in the face with stupid things that break the immersion… Primarily the low effort CRPG item system, where each weapon and piece of clothing has random stats. So you find 10 identical looking guns but they all do different amount of damage and add some random elemental damage, which would’ve made more sense if they were magical weapons in a fantasy game… When I last played it I found an oversized dildo that does 4 times as much damage as my katana… And of course a tiny bikini can have better armour value than actual armour…
LOL, seems like the devs decided to implement anime physics. More naked skin -> more armor. More weight -> faster machine. That’s why mechas are the fastest moving things know to man.
It’s an RPG, dude. If you don’t like RPGs then don’t buy them. I know a lot of people want Cyberpunk to be a GTA game or any other thing, but it isn’t.
It’s ok, just watch what Cyberpunk was like on Day One and it’ll kill your interest again.
Who cares what it was like on day 1 if he buys it today?
Oh, I’ve been watching those videos with great interest. The bugs used to be very strong with this one. Fortunately, the devs managed to fix a lot of them, so it’s not quite as meme fuel as it was on day one. Buying it now probably doesn’t come with the legendary 600% buyer’s remorse booster.
Buying it now probably doesn’t come with the legendary 600% buyer’s remorse booster.
[Joke] Ugh, probably have to buy it as a microtransaction or whatever DLC crap. I hate when they take stuff out and try to sell it!
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Yes, once every time you distrohop.
But you have to put 0 for Windows.
Same, not enough space?
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Complex and recent games run on Linux these days.
Not allowing run a game in Linux is, nowadays, a choice from its developer rather then a causality. Proton is a really powerful tool!
If a game don’t run in Linux, via Proton or natively, that’s dev issue that actively blocked Linux.
It is almost always due to the anticheat programs.
Still… There are anticheats that allow Linux, like EAC, Hyperion and many others… If they choose one that does not allow Linux, or choose one that allow Linux but block it, it’s a dev issue
Virtually no anticheat worked on Linux just a few years ago except maybe Valve and Blizzard in-house solutions. Games that are out and already committed to a specific anticheat can’t do much but to wait, so it is not really on them. Changing the anticheat solution mid-way on a released game would piss off so many people you can’t imagine. On a brand new game though, I would agree that this should be considered.
EasyAntiCheat doesn’t have an excuse it’s essentially a switch.
Indeed. What sucks is that it is off by default, I figure most small-time devs simply need to be told it exists. I definitely wouldn’t excuse the big players though, most AAA game companies can get fucked for all I care.
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Roblox is working on it there is unofficial way using grapejuice coming soon.
Roblox already updated the client to allow the AC to work on Wine. It works through grapejuice now.
Wait it’s already up ?
Yes, it says so near the top of Grapejuice’s readme. They also announced it in their discord server.
Oh nice to know.
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It’s already done
I have played roblox on grapefruit on popos what do you mean
Like when ? Due to roblox adding the new anticheat it blocks wine like others.
And dosent block explioters due to bypasses on windows an example of this bypass is the ms store version
I think like a year ago, and people also talked about anticheat blocking wine on roblox back then
What? I thought Steam VR wasn’t working, I’v checked recently. How did you get it working?
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Steam VR works fine, but you need a headset that supports Steam VR without needing other software. The main options are the HTC Vive and the Valve Index.
You can actually use headsets like a Quest 2, Pico 4 or Lynx R1, both wireless and through a wire. Check out ALVR, it works reasonably well!
Good point! I was aware of ALVR, specifically that it supported the Quest, but I wasn’t sure how stable it was. I didn’t know it supported those other headsets, that’s cool!
Blaming the Publishers and Devs because it’s actually pretty hard to fuck up a game so that it doesn’t work on proton these days
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If there’s a game that can’t run on Linux in the current year then that’s intentional and it’s not worth anyone’s money.
You almost have to go out of your way to make a game incompatible with linux. Considering wine/proton and their various forks cover the vast majority of things at this point.
Even with ACs, the two most used ones completely support Linux. One is completely out of the box, maybe even as far as linux support being opt out. The other requires you to contact its developers to enable compatibility their end iirc.
I don’t agree. There are cases with Windows only root kits for DRM, but there are also games that don’t work because of bugs. You see games coming out that barely work on Windows.
Yeah, there’s this very obscure match-3 game I wanted to play because of nostalgia. The series peaked with 3 and 4 (and those are the ones we played on the family computer circa 2015) and worked perfectly on Windows. Now 3 works perfectly (in terms of compatibility) but 4 was better (in terms of gameplay). 4 is marked as borked, last I checked. For anyone wondering, it’s The Treasures of Montezuma series.
I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux since 2014. Gaming on Linux is so good nowadays, thanks to Proton, there are so many amazing titles available to play. Proton makes it all easy - thanks to it, it’s just a matter of hitting install and play on Steam (in most cases).
There are so many of them, If something doesn’t run on Linux, I just don’t care. My backlog of great games is so big, who cares about some singular titles that are not available.
I’ve recently been playing Baldurs Gate 3, ARMORED CORE VI, Anno 1800 and Battlebit Remastered on my Ubuntu rig. All run great. Neither need any special tweaks (I own them on Steam).
BG3 and Battlebit Remastered are especially stellar.
I recommend BG3 to anyone who likes true roleplaying games with great writing, reactivity and player agency.
Battlebit Remastered is a great multiplayer title with massive 256 player battles and it sits somewhere between Battlefield and Squad (a mixture of arcade and mil-sim elements).
Modern (post DS2) From Software games tend to run flawlessly on Linux. They are one of the greatest developers now. No bullshit, just greatness all around.
I heard a lot of BG3, although I dont have any doubt that it is a great game, I dont think it suits my taste. Battlebit tho, I’ll check that otu.
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It had nothing to do with From Software but Elden Ring actually ran better on Linux than on any other platform shortly after release (there was a silly bug that affected performance on all platforms that Valve fixed within Proton.)
What are your specs? I’m trying to see if BG3 min reqs are a little bit over estimated
I have i7-7700k, GTX 1070 (nvidia driver version: 535.86.05), 16 GB ram, running the game off an SSD.
The game has been improving in a tremendous manner since release. They’ve been releasing meaningful patches really often. I’ve been playing it since the full release, and it’s been awesome to witness it improve so quickly in so many aspects.
Since the latest performance updates, I haven’t noticed the game dropping below 60 fps (it now sits mostly in the 60-80fps range) at 1080p, high settings, FSR set to off.
Thanks for the info!
Hmm, I wonder if I would be able to run it on my i5-3470 and Rx 550 with FSR, at 30+ fps
This kind of mentality only works if you don’t play games with other people.
Multiplayer only folk usually have a friend group that plays multiple games. If they don’t work in Linux you’re SOL.
Back when I tried to use Linux and never boot Windows a good 2/3rd of games I couldn’t participate in and was left behind. So while it’s better than it was, it’s still not good.
It’s the internet, mate. The world is your oyster.
Get friends that only game on linux.
This comment sounds like chatgpt
I’m just some meatbag, unfortunately, though I’d happily merge with machine If I could.
But only if it’s an open source, penguin style machine.
Isn’t it still true that a Nvidia card is better for gaming with Linux than AMD or Intel?
I believe that AMD has flipped the script on this in recent years. From what I recall, AMD has been actively releasing a large amount (if not all) of their drivers as open source for integration into the Mesa driver (which I think is the same driver than handles Intel graphics as well). Arguably speaking AMD GPUs work more out-of-the-box now than NVidia do.
That said, I switched to an AMD card about a year ago as an upgrade from an Nvidia. My Nvidia never gave me issues, it was just getting a little long in the tooth (gtx 1050 ti upgraded to a RT 6600)
Isn’t it still true that a Nvidia card is better for gaming with Linux than AMD or Intel?
No. Intel has best drivers, AMD has decent drivers. Both are well-integrated into system. On nvidia there are nouveau and blob. Nouveau supports not every feature, blob just breaks system.
Not for VR, unfortunately. Have a valve index collecting dust, streaming to the quest 2 via ALVR runs better.
For me Linux gaming is Steam/Proton. If is works with Steam/Proton, I am playing them. I find that native Linux games are not updated regularly or at all. And Steam wants games to run with the Steam deck. And they are willing work to make that happen.
And game companies know there are a lot of Steam decks out there. And it is not hard to put some effort to see that it runs on that equipment.
All this is a big help for the Linux community. Many gamers don’t know that they don’t need to buy windows to game. Linux/Steam/Proton is a great option. That is why I make a point to tell people that I am playing Baldur’s Gate 3 on my Linux Ubuntu gaming PC. This is how I found out that Linux can play games and switch from Windows. Another Linux gamer told me it was possible.
Agreed. It’s just so sad to me that GOG to this day does not seem to understand their target audience. Seems to me that people who value DRM-free Games overlap vastly with the group of Linux users and still GOG Galaxy is not available on Linux. I would absolutely love GOG Galaxy natively on Linux with Proton integration. Sure we can run it with Lutris etc. but this has been asked from GOG for years. I tried buying everything on GOG instead of Steam until that point where that whole Proton and Steam Deck integration happened. Now I buy everything on steam, just for convenience. I would love to buy everything from GOG but there are just to many hoops to jump through.
Yes I think you’re right, there’s probably a significant overlap in the target audience of GOG and Linux users. I guess the reason why GOG hasn’t released a Linux version of GOG Galaxy might be because a large portion of their catalogue is Windows and doesn’t want to include something like Proton or Wine support. I don’t think it absolves them from criticism however.
@Hairyblue @Uluganda yeah I care less about a Linux native game than a game that has DRM and anti cheat that works with proton. I’ve found that all the games I play on Linux that run on proton run so well on X11 (haven’t gone to Wayland yet).
Considering wine and thus proton don’t support Wayland the games will just run through XWayland so should perform the same as on X11. Personally haven’t encountered any issues outside of things that are caused by X11 limitations
If there is one, I tend to use the native Linux version when I can, just to do my miniscule part to encourage devs to support native Linux, though on one or two games I have noticed bugs in the native Linux version that were fixed in the Windows/Proton version. That said, I am still quite thankful and impressed with how well Proton works for anything I use it with.
As someone new to Linux the fact that I could just check a box on steam and suddenly I could install and run the witcher 3 blew my mind. I had no idea. Last I checked on Linux gaming the solution was install windows 😂
Yeah I announce it in my steam gamer tag.
Especially if they use an engine that natively supports Linux, they have no excuse not to release a Linux version.
There are tons of reasons my dude. You can still have platform-dependant technologies in your game even if the base engine itself supports linux.
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The kernel in use is literally meaningless. Sony’s userspace is unique and the graphics stack is fully proprietary. Same for Nintendo.
I find that to be an annoying thing with Japanese software in general, gaming or otherwise: more proprietary garbage than Western software and practically hard-coding it to 100% force you to use the software in the way THEY intend for you to use it, not how YOU want. Makes for worse Linux compatibility at best, if any at all, compared to Western software. Note that I’m purely talking about native or straight Wine Linux compatibility, not Steam/Proton, which works around those issues well.
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From my own experience, “not bothering” is definitely the better business practice since chances are you won’t make back the development costs.
Maybe Steam Deck and that porting library have improved things but a decade ago it would have been better business to just give Linux users $20 to not play your game.
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In an ideal world everything would work out, but for some business it is a pretty huge commitment for what was less than 2% of the market just a few months ago. We certainly lost money porting our game in Linux at that last place I worked. It was before Proton though. Obviously each case is different, and some games work on Linux out-the-box due to Photon so this become a non-issue.
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Not sure I want to name the game because this would make me very easy to identify from my post history. It’s a game on Steam that sold over 250k copies. My boss promised a Linux version very early on because they thought it would be easy, but we ended up being stuck with that promise.
I believe the PS5 is partially based off of FreeBSD and I don’t think there is as strong of a gaming scene on BSD (even relative to the size of its userbase). I feel like there would be some rather large leaps going from a tailored console OS to a more widely available alternative OS.
Yes, they do. There is more than just the engine at play on compatibility. The main reason is actually usually the anti cheat.
Looking at Destiny. Game worked okay on Linux before they integrated Battleye, which HAS Linux support, but Bungie just doesn’t want to interact with it.
This is why it’s mainly larger developers that care about their community that implement Linux support. Take valve for example. Wonderful company that cares about their playerbase more than the average game development team. They have Linux support on almost all of their games as far as I am aware. Bungie is a decent company but most of their community doesn’t want to play on Linux anyway, so they won’t bother with it. However most teams that are smaller or care more about money than players won’t do it.
Valve is definitely an exception. I am not sure why, but it is pretty much in the open that Gabe Newell has a bone to pick with Microsoft and he has been throwing money at Linux for over a decade to break their monopoly on gaming. I’d argue that this has nothing to do with their love for the community and more so with Gabe’s personal vendetta against Microsoft.
Reality is that most game devs, most executives and most people in marketing don’t really care about Linux. It is good PR to support Mac and Linux, and some of the geekier developers will go the extra mile to support it, but I think it is common in the industry to assume that Linux users are not gamer, or that they have enough knowledge to install a dual boot. They don’t care in the sense that they don’t even think about it, its not even on the radar for most game companies. Most studios probably never even had a discussion about it. That is how irrelevant Linux has been to gaming. Hence why Proton is such a tour de force.
Yeah I can’t play rainbow 6 siege since I switched to Linux but I’m staying strong. Fuck ubisoft. And fuck my friends for trying to make me go back to windoz.
The fact that it even supports vulkan, and BattleEye has a Linux version, they just don’t use it
They just don’t like linux. Even if you run it in a VM with VFIO they will still ban you.
And, that their UPlay (Don’t care aboyt the rename) launcher is probably one of the other companies, useless launcher which work the best via wine.
And apex legends started randomly banning Linux users again, how hard is it to fix the game that earns them millions of dollars every year? Unbelievable.
Because they’re not earning those millions from users. I have no data to back this up, but I’m sure even the Linux users that do play are less likely to spend money on the game.
Off topic but your username looks different in my inbox. It says Nate here but in my inbox is says alphapuggle. Btw I’m using eternity for lemmy might be a bug on the app.
Weird. I show up as Nate on my end too (using sync). Not sure why it’s different than everyone else but my username is alphapuggle@programming.dev
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I’d just like to interject for moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, Steam/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Steam plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another component of a fully functioning Steam system made useful by Steam Proton, DXVK, and vital Wine components comprising a full OS as defined by Valve.
I mean, it is not a fault on Linux’s end. We have all the tools we need in the form of wine and dxvk, it’s the game which fails to work due to some obscure dependency or a mandatory rootkit. One great example is genshin- the game itself works flawlessly, but it has a rootkit which obviously does not work on Linux and you have to patch it out.
Wine and DXVK made it increadably easy to support Linux and if a company doesn’t even put in that much effort or intentionally breaks the game for you it’s certainly not worth your money! I pirate rather than use the refund window but the principal is the same since I do buy good games after all.
Cries in pipeline hacks for DirectX. Didn’t Space Engineers do this?
I am not really sure what you mean with that tbh
Probably space engineers more abuses the direct pipeline than uses it, in ways that translation layers wouldn’t be able to emulate the quirks.
Their goal is to be compliant not equivalent
Exactly. And some do other dirty hacks in DirectX.
True, it can’t add new ones ether because it’s a extra layer and not part of the actual game!
NGL it would be cool as hell if they did just for linux wine devs
Jesus lol.
This is probably true for big games, but I wouldn’t get angry at any small developer for not supporting Linux. It’s just not worth it/still such a small base.
Most of the time indie games actually do run on Linux, it’s the games from big studios that don’t (in my experience)
all the indies I play run completely without issues, even those that don’t use major game engines like celeste and rain world
This
Most off-the-shelf game engines these days have been well tested with Proton.
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Luckily most of the small inde games always support Linux. Most of those devs don’t have a need or time to go out of their way to botch the support.
True. But small developers should support community owned things, as they are on their side. It’s not profitable in spreadsheet, but healthy for whole ecosystem.
Remember Windows creators are the ones having a dream for everything being on XBox and Microsoft Store.
At this point I wouldn’t be suprised that some dev companies are taking Microsoft kickback money under the table. There is really no excuse for a game not to work on Linux natively on 2023.
