I mostly empathize with him because he killed someone that represents all that I hate.
This post is bogus. Because of a made up scenario where I ostracized family members and coworkers because of their disabilities (which I dont), I should feel bad about giving this man my support, when his own disabilities have nothing to do with?
I get the “violence has no place in our society” arguments but what the hell is this?
but what the hell is this?
I thought it was either trolling or a bot trying to undermine public support for an icon representing the public’s collective hatred of the rich, but it turns out that he’s just a guy who is extremely vocal about his disabilities and activism.
His take is utterly fucking moronic and misses the point, but it doesn’t seem overtly malicious within the context of everything else he says on Xitter and BlueSky.
Also, the biggest thing to me is that the guy at least tried to not have those problems and did his best to stay active and eat healthy. The people I know with chronic conditions don’t also help themselves even after I’ve tried helping them. I get that not everyone has that capacity, but most aren’t so debilitated that they couldn’t go for a jog or low impact work out and eat healthier.
Still doesn’t mean I don’t want them to go into debt for healthcare they should have a right to.
Crazy thing about disabilities, they affect people’s abilities.
I would say that disabled and chronic illness are not the same. I have a friend with MS. He literally can’t work out/walk. I don’t expect him to, but he still eats healthy and of course I’ll fight for him to get access to free care.
I have another friend who is happy to go out with my wife and walk around shopping for hours on end. However when someone asks her to do something around the house she complains about her chronic illness, and she complains about how her stomach is upset even though she doesn’t eat well. She does have an illness that I recognize is real, however she has capacity to help her self in some areas in small ways that eventually add up to something bigger.
There’s no doubt that the CEO killer didn’t have a real issue that was at times debilitating, but he also seemed to go out and hike, work out and eat rather healthy when it wasn’t as severe and he could manage. Exercise and healthy eating could solve a number of contributing/compounding factors for people with chronic illness but they have to take that step.
You obviously have no clue about how those difficulties also affect their mental state. Depression can be way more severe and debilitating than most people seem to realize, which is why it’s officially a distinct disability on its own.
As someone with a few disabilities that used to frequently deal with sanctimonious bullshit like this, all I can say is: Jesus fucking Christ.
Ok, now do that for every disabled person
Bruh, it’s not his disability that got him praise…
Let’s take a unifying situation and try to make it accusatory and and confrontational
That’s how that reads to me.
Sure! All they have to do is just kill ONE billionaire!
Well, if they each take one out, the cumulative effect would indeed be significant.
I support this but this is a lot of vitriol at the wrong crowd. Don’t create divisions like this, that’s how they keep us distracted.
Let’s please not take this opportunity to make the populace complicit in corporate greed
Not the point, I would wager. You can be compassionate to one group while wanting to pull down another.
Yes, and you can can have sympathy for one person without having to care for everyone too.
I think the “do this for every disabled person” in the OP is… Bullshit. Reminding people to funnel some of that sympathy to other, closer people where you can have more impact in their lives is reasonable, but the sentiment here is condescending.
And you can praise one member of a community for the acts they do without being expected to praise other individuals in the group just because they’re a member of that group.
I don’t think it’s as much empathy for being disabled, as much as it’s hero worship for doing a thing a lot of people wish they could’ve done themselves. The spinal condition gives the motive, and the memorable name is… well, memorable.
Now, if more disabled folks were to don a green shirt and blue overalls, and perform more courageous acts that benefit society as a whole, then I’d bet more people would hero worship them too.
There are plenty of people who do just that (minus the clothing) everyday without killing anybody, and they don’t get anywhere near that level of recognition. The reaction here actually reflects a dark side of us all in that we wish we had the guts to take out such definitive retribution upon the wealthy - the ones that put most of us through the meat grinder to extract whatever value they can from us, and then just toss us aside when they’ve taken all they can, leaving us broke & hopeless.
This is a stupid post because it assumes the readers don’t. Which I’ll bet they do, more often than not.
The thing I identify with is doing a Luigi on the elites.
No, I’m not going to assume that every “overdramatic” or “unreliable” person is disabled. Maybe they’re just obnoxious, selfish, or lazy. I’m going to hold them accountable for their behavior.
Having chronic pain or other disability doesn’t mean you have a pass to be a “difficult” person.
If someone simply communicates with me and explains their situation, I’ll cut them A LOT of slack. If they don’t think I deserve that kind of respect or consideration, well…
While I don’t disagree in principle, you need to walk many miles in their shoes to see how they got to that point of anger and frustration. Maybe cut them some slack from the start by letting them vent, and them only give them some shit after you’ve demonstrated significant patience with them & they’re still being pissy. Sometimes people in those situations get tired of explaining and/or justifying themselves over and over, so they adopt an acerbic attitude just to push people away so as to avoid having to do it so much.
The world can be incredibly frustrating for those so disadvantaged, and some of them just don’t have the mental fortitude to stay positive through it all.
I will say that more disabled and homeless people I have talked to have discussed wanting to maintain the existing system of exploitation and somehow just get a lucky break/subsidy to get them out of their rough spot, rather than discuss class conciousness, strangely enough.
That said, I conversate with them, give what I can to them, look them in the eye and try not to ignore them. They are humans too. I hope this high profile incident brings more awareness to the need to work together to counteract the lazy bums living off of taxpayer money and government handouts (healthcare executives).
Disabled people shouldn’t need to discuss class consciousness to deserve our respect.
Absolutely they do deserve respect. I’m saying that most people aren’t rallying behind Mangione just because he’s a rich and handsome disabled person.
I don’t think that’s what OP was commenting on, they were just pointing out that class consciousness and changing systems to incentivize helping people would be a more effective long term solution to the struggles people face with disability and homelessness.
Get on the coat-tails, kids!
Yeah… But do we really think disabled people are getting told they’re just being dramatic? I’m sure that’s happened, just seems like a weird generalization
Depends upon the disability. For obviously physically disabled people with well-known diseases, you’re absolutely right. For those diseases most people have never heard of (my Type-I spouse has charkot, for example), or are less obvious such as severe depression? Yeah, they do get treated like they’re being absurd because many other people don’t understand their difficulties and thus don’t take them seriously.
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…disabled people creep you out?
Likely just rage bait.
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Is this just some really bad sarcastic edgy humor?
I’m guessing rage bait.
Well that took a sharp turn…
