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“I use Gentoo sir and my DE is i3, I brought my dotfiles if you would like to see them”
“Son, it’s great to have you here. HONEY IM TAKING STEVE TO THE OFFICE!”
I3 ??!!!??111 That’s bloatware OUT OF MY HOUSE
Any gui rendering is bloat
Really, the metric we should be looking at is
(f+a)/bwherefis some subjective weighted measure of functionality,aof aesthetic value andbdescribes the bloat.No,
(f+(0.5*a))/b.Aesthetics should never get as many points as functionality.
- That’s a personal preference. Many people do care about aesthetics and I don’t think invalidating their taste is fair. Hence, if you wanted to add factors accounting for that preference, you’d have to define some additional variable for it.
- If
ais a subjective measure of aesthetic value - as it must be, since taste is a subjective thing - you might as well include the factor already. - If
ais normalised against some fixed scale, but bloat (having effectively no upper limit) is impossible to normalise, it would be more reasonable to increasefinstead in order to model the fact that a larger distro may also come with more functionality. - You don’t need the extra parentheses around
0.5*a - We’re both fucking nerds and I love it
you have 9 seconds to -funroll-loops the fuck out of my house!
Pfft, Linux users don’t date. We’re all virginal, paranoid shut-ins.
A lot of us are also disaster trans lesbians :3
The trick is securing a marriage before using Linux, if try the other way around it doesn’t work.
Shortly after getting my steam deck and seriously learning Linux past tiny personal servers, I got divorced
I know correlation ≠ causation, but I really want to believe your relationship was ruined because your wife was sneaking out in the middle of the night to use Windows
I don’t know. I’m pretty sure one of the many ways you can end a marriage is installing Gentoo and saying “I’m just gonna go and compile my kernel.” to your significant other, then go to your computer and just never be heard from again.
nah man they’re into that
Can confirm this works. Windows user thru single life. Married, switched to Linux on my laptop. Now separated and life in ruins but a smile always sneaks in booting up Kubuntu.
I dated and married.
I love the story of how I met my now-wife. It was on IRC. When I was trying to start to meet women, I never would have guessed that that would be how I met my future wife.
A keeper, and u should be a good husband to her.
Btw, let me fetch some grasses outside first
I’m not sure I’m succeeding, but I’m trying hard to be good to her. She’s the best person I know.
Last time I touched grass, I hyperextended my already injured ankle. I’m super tentative about that kind of thing now.
I don’t date because women are proprietary.
You can share them with the community, but you can’t modify and use them in any way you like.That’s what Anthrocon is for. Once a year is enough.
And if that isn’t enough, I know a few good dakimakura shops.
Yeah, ikr? My wife won’t even bang me, and I’m fairly sure it’s part of a global conspiracy to make my balls explode
i have the same situation. i figured i could have sex with someone else then, but other women seem to also know i use linux because nobody else will bang me either. and i doubt it’s my looks, mom says i’m handsome, so it has to be the linux stuff.
sudo touch wifesouthsamurai isn’t in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
Hey. I go outside every now and then…
We should hang out.
But, like … Inside.
The types for significant others and distros hash to the same location in the table, it’s just bad luck and there’s nothing we can do about it.
Deep_in_ the basement, amirite?
And this meme here is showing one of the reasons why
For a while the deepin desktop’s looked pretty cool. It got old quickly though and it doesn’t seem like they are innovating as much.
When it first came out it was cool, now it just looks like KDE to me
I had it on arch for a bit
Btw
I’m currently deciding on a distro so I had a look. Not impressed by their front page - a big pile of sales presentation buzzwords. Their examples of “office software” are music player, screen capture, and video player - wat?
It also phones home to China so I personally wouldn’t use it
you there, what distro do you use?
distro? why it’s arch linux, sir
“Run and buy that turkey in the shop window and I’ll give you a shilling!”
“For what reason do you want a turkey on your Arch Linux, sir?”
I use Arch btw
Get back to me when you use a real distro, the Hannah Montana distro is the one true distro.
Nah, it’s obviously Nyarch Linux
Nah, TempleOS.
Artix-openrc on custom kernel*
First time seeing hate for deepin. What’s wrong with it?
It’s by a Chinese company, and collects telemetry on its users via Umeng+, which is a Beijing-based analytics company. Even though it’s open source, the code is large enough that it’s hard to tell if there is anythinf compromising in there from the Chinese government, and/or whether/what data collected by Umeng+ is making it to the Chinese government.
So I guess the backdoor is buried DeepIn the code
It’s unfortunate, because I really like the DE. Real stand out. If it were more trustworthy, it’d be my first choice.
Apparently you can download it from the AUR if you really want to.
I mean a simple
grep -r “string” *
Does wonders to find anything, but you need to know what you’re looking for. I’d probably look for DNS names that end in government or China specific TLDs to start with.
grep -r "evil spyware" *nothing? awesome, I guess this software is safe to use. Let’s gooo
I know you’re be facetious here and I’m ignorant to actual application security methodology. I do have to ask though, when you are looking for something in code that could be a security risk, isn’t it possible to look for methods or functions used to lookup DNS, outbound network calls, or even libraries used to obfuscate code? It seems to me that most programmers wouldn’t go through lengths to obfuscate their code and would want it to be readable/maintainable, so doing so would be a red flag.
Obviously no one is going to search for “evil spyware” when auditing code. Your point stands it is not as simple as that.
You’re totally right, I just think you underestimate how long it takes to rigorously audit a whole codebase. Let’s say you look for outvound network calls. Now you need to figure out for all of them whether they are malicious, which will require specific domain knowledge. And that’s assuming you find them all, the network call could be hidden away in a dependency. None of this is impossible but it requires a serious effort.
it’s trivial to break that approach by obfuscating strings. You can do things like using base64 encoded strings in the source code, building strings from smaller component parts, or using rot13 on, say, the host component of a URI. That last one could be pretty interesting if you, as a threat actor, owned both permutations. The hostname (minus TLD) in the source code could be the nice, human readable version (www.happysite.org) that appears to be something legit. Then, when you rot13 it to www.uncclfvgr.org, traffic is sent to the evil site doing scary things. People can be far more tricksy than that. There’s also the whole issue around whether or not the binaries you’re running actually match the code in the repo. The xz kerfuffle showed how much can be hidden that way.
EDIT: I should make it clear that I don’t use Deepin or the DE it provides because I only use WMs with no desktop, so the distro and DE are of no interest to me. I don’t know if it’s a security hazard or not, I have no horse in this fight.
There are so many ways to obfuscate things that your approach won’t work.
First time seeing hate for deepin. What’s wrong with it?
Western concerns about connections to Chinese government
Radware’s head of threat research has commented on concerns about analytics collected by Deepin, and whether these are sent to the Chinese government: while the CNZZ analytics service has been removed, analytics are still collected, now by “Umeng+”.[29] According to cybersecurity lawyer Steven T. Snyder, due to the sheer size of Deepin’s codebase, it is impossible to really scrutinize all the code comprising it to be sure the Chinese government doesn’t have backdoors.[29] The project does remain fully open source allowing anyone to review, modify or change the code to meet their standards.
due to the sheer size of [the] codebase, it’s impossible […] to be sure [it] doesn’t have backdoors.
Meanwhile Linux and systemd
Well, Windows is worse by far
Idk about worse but it is possible for two things to be bad. If one spies for china and the other spies for america, they’re both effectively the same. There’s other more trustworthy options than either however, so unless someone has a gun to your head forcing you to pick one of the two this whataboutism is a false dichotomy, just pick “something else.”
Ah yes, a dystopian government OS with direct uplink to the thought police is much less of a security risk and convenience loss than a by all objective measures reasonably working and widespread OS with broad compatibility, just because the latter is made by a for profit corporation, MICROSOFT EVUL GUYS AMIRITE
I’m a Linux user myself due to the hostile practices of win11, but get some perspective ffs
Sure…an open source OS is worse than a closed one. Because you are too lazy to check the former, yet trust the latter ignoring all its well documented cases of spying on users…
Maybe you should try to go back to basic logic over idiological tribalism before you question other people’s perspective.
I’m all for open source, but being open source does not mean that it cannot be, or even that it is unlikely to be malicious
Zero reading comprehension. I am not a windows user myself as I said, and would happily recommend virtually any other Linux distro (aside from the fact that I am at best a novice when it comes to the various differences) over windows.
But not one made by, or at least greenlit by an autocratic regime that actively seeks to gain influence abroad. People shouldn’t use fucking red star OS either.
Wow your propaganda susceptibility is really showing. Guess the american thought police did their job well. Imagine calling windows, a literal spyware masterpiece that sucks up every bit of data it can a " reasonably working and widespread OS with broad compatibility" and an open source piece of software, “a dystopian government OS with a direct uplink to the thought police”. Like honestly what thoughts exactly do you think China is pilicing on western users and how are they acting on them? Meanwhile Microsoft, Samsung, Google, are all actively collecting as much data as possible and not even trying to hide it anymore, despite not being open source.
Tbf windows is both those things, “a reasonably working and widespread literal spyware masterpiece that sucks up every bit of data it can, with broad compatibility.”
Not saying it’s good, but it “works,” it is widespread due to exclusivity contracts with the major manufacturers iirc and people’s reluctance to install anything else, it is compatible with a broad range of softwares and hardwares because if someone makes something it basically has to support windows, and it is great at spying on users.
Also tbf, if I ditched windows because of spying, why would I want to install a spying linux? I don’t want canonical’s bullshit either, if I’m ditching spying for spying I may as well just not and then I can keep using PKhex without going through wine ffs.
Btw china has been caught operating police stations illegally on “western™” soil. So like,
Like honestly what thoughts exactly do you think China is pilicing on western users and how are they acting on them
Basically “that.” https://www.newsweek.com/china-overseas-police-service-center-public-security-bureau-safeguard-defenders-transnational-crime-1764531
Why the fuck are there so many people in this thread trying to argue that a Chinese government sanctioned OS is a good choice?? Are you all insane?
My point merely was, and still is, that people shouldn’t recommend CCP bullshit over windows out of some misguided “brand loyalty” to Linux. Yes, windows is a poor OS made by a for profit corporation, aiming to make money off their users.
Now why the fuck would anyone conclude that instead of those “only” greedy pigs, a government that doesn’t even represent them and most certainly doesn’t have their best interests in mind, should have a native snooping feed built into their daily driver?
Especially when there are more actually free and open linux distros to choose from than there are colors in a rainbow?
TLDR: Windows sucks, I agree, but literally recommending government spyware over it is batshit insane and entirely antithetical to the free and open ideology behind Linux. And all the people responding to me seem to conflate arguing against ccpOS with arguing for windows.
So you say Microsoft doesnt “actively seek influence”?? LOL
Are you saying a corporation seeking profit and a hostile nation seeking global hegemony are the same level of evil?
Also, I dont use windows either ffs. Thought that was obvious.
The odds that the US Government, under the authority of Patriot Act, has not inserted spyware into the Windows kernel, I put at an even 50/50.
The US Government has the motive, the leverage (huge customer of Microsoft), and maybe even the legal authority (the Patriot Act overreaches like crazy, and arguably compels certain government officials to gather all available data).
To be clear, I’ve never seen a shred of evidence that there’s any official sanctioned backdoor in Windows. But I can’t honestly claim to be sure it’s not there.
It’s all a bit of a moot point though, as the vast majority of Windows installs export nearly every scrap of data to Office Cloud, and if Office Cloud doesn’t have a government back door, I will eat my hat.
Source: The text of the Patriot Act. It basically outright says “we will put a listener anywhere we can reasonably fit one, on US soil.”
Its just the countries of government changed lol. It’s not like we don’t have evidenced for microsoft leaking user data and allowing fbi to hack windows computers. At least in case of deepin we don’t have evidence
You think Microsoft doesn’t give a direct uplink to America’s thought police?
This is ridiculous. If someone could write the code, someone cluld analyze it. If noone has found anything suspicious or incriminating then this just seems like anti china propaganda. “Maybe this Chinese company is collecting data! Even though their code is publically available we cant know for sure!” Meanwhile every US company is sucking up telemetry on every keystroke. Like what a thing to argue about when Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Meta, etc etc exist. And tbh, id rather china have my data then the US anyway. The US is both more likely and more capable of using it against me.
Not just deepin, but really any piece of software made by a Chinese or Chinese owned company should be treated with suspicion. At least, until the inevitable fall of the CCP occurs.
This is insane. US companies blatantly collect data, meanwhile a chinese company releases OPEN SOURCE software that hasnt been shown to do anything malicious and your response is “but maybe they somehow hid some tracking in there”. Bro examine your prejudices.
What gets me is how everyone can spout this shit and not feel any shame. Somehow it’s okay when US companies do it, but even suspecting the Chinese is enough to shun something. I’m disappointed to see all the upvotes this bigotry gets.
I just continuously google “how to reinstall grub”, never get a chance to login
btw
Please explain this for a DOS/Windows user?
Windows? You have exactly 10 seconds to get the hell out of my house!
I mean, I dual-boot Mint now. And at least you don’t come after me for DOS, because that would get me defensive…
it’s a Chinese distro that looks very pretty but pays a heavy performance penalty
Of course
thethere is also the stigma of Chinese government telemetry embedded in Deepinwell the thing is it’s open source. that is no guarantee for safety but with some popularity it’s as close as it gets. many people would probably love to write a paper about the Cybersecurity of deepin - especially if there are juicy issues.
I agree
Ah, absolutely not worth it then. I prefer to keep RAM free for games and video rendering.
i had this DE for a while and liked it. for example it has a simple right click menu for per-application-scaling as far as i remember. and it’s pretty.
but yeah not exactly something for gaming.
OK, you have 20 seconds
Weirdly, DOS is sacred, here. Probably because none of us are forced to use it anymore.
In this house we use OS/2
Yes, but have we gone to Warp? Or have we moved to ArcaOS?
Deepin is a desktop environment (windows is the desktop environment for the “windows” os) deepin runs on Linux. There are other desktop environments like gnome and kde. Which are open source. Deepin is a Chinese gov de
It has it’s own distro
its*
Distroverts.
Arch (btw) and many kvm’s for browsing , each browser has its unique fingerprint
just use Garuda if you are a gamer, Qubes or Tails if you wear tin foil as your hat, Mint or Ubuntu if you barely know anything about computers, Arch or Void if you like to tinker with your system, Slackware or Gentoo if you hate yourself, Alma or Debian testing if you need a secure server, openSuse Tumbleweed or Kde neon if you like KDE and productivity
Slackware or Gentoo if you hate yourself
The preferred nomenclature is ‘learning experience,’ thank you very much
that’s Arch
Slackware or Gentoo if you hate yourself
Lol
As Debian testing doesn’t get (all) security fixes, it is NOT ment for running a secure server. This is what stable is for. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting
Slackware or Gentoo if you hate yourself
Hey!
If I use CentOS? (It’s on an embedded system I work on. Most of the time I am actually running it in a VM inside of winblows.
First sentence, last sentence, skip the rest.
Actually, I use Arch, by th- Ow! Okay, I’m going! I’m going!
The dad pulls up his pant legs to reveal his rainbow knee highs.
“A man of culture I see.”
I use WSL btw
