How does a video of Haitian immigrants voting illegally versus legally look different? Are they wearing signs or maybe one of those “Hi! My name is…” stickers with “Illegally Voting Haitian Immigrant” written in? Or maybe it’s just obvious because they present passports written on the back of cereal boxes and the election worker is giving big comic winks and saying “sign here US citizen legally allowed to vote.” I guess it doesn’t matter what the video shows. It’s probably some Bigfoot jerky video with garbled audio with a caption saying “Haitian immigrants voting illegally.”
Try to go and post this on Lemmy.ml
@davel@lemmy.ml is adamant Russian propaganda and misinformation Don’t exist. I wonder who would argue such a thing?
Ah he doesn’t argue as much when he can’t ban people for disagreeing with his nonsense
- Obvious strawman is obvious. No one, including me, has said or would say that there is no such thing as Russian propaganda, any more than anyone should say that there is no US propaganda.
- I don’t know anything about this video, so I couldn’t say whether it was created by “Russian disinformation unit” or just some random Russian person, or someone(s) entirely unrelated to Russia. But I’m certainly not going to take the FBI’s, CISA’s, or the DNI’s word for it.
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Though the agencies didn’t specifically name a particular source for the videos […]
Take our word for it, bro.
Oh, so you’re denying that you’ve ever denied or questioned the existence of Russian propaganda and/or bad actors?
Okay.
What’s this then? https://lemmy.world/comment/11978870
And these ?
Oh wait no, despite all these doubts you have, you seem to accept the existence of Russian propaganda in this comment:
Hey, just off hand, if you wouldn’t mind finally answering this; are you pro-Russian? Do you support Putin? You claim to be American, but you can’t even say “I’m not pro-Russian”, no matter how many times we’ve engaged. Nor can you call Putler the pathetic little piglet he is. For obvious reasons. ;) Feel free to prove me wrong.
I stand by my statement that there are “approximately zero” bots on Lemmy, unless you want to include the occasional spammer or corporate shill, and even they are almost always quickly dispatched.
And there are reasons why I’m not inclined to take my government or their NGO partners at their word.
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
Denying you’ve said what you’ve said, only marginally touching on it to say you didn’t actually mean what you wrote. After which you again ignore me asking you whether you’re pro-Russian or not. Why? Why can you answer this simple question? ARE YOU PRO-RUSSIAN?
Why is it that you simply can not answer that, and genuinely all you do on Lemmy revolves around posting these inane lists of bullshit, always defending & indirectly propagating exactly the same thing Russian propaganda does?
Why is it that you simply can not answer this simple question that I’ve now repeated half a dozen times in this comment to highlight just how asinine this approach of yours is: ARE YOU PRO-RUSSIAN?
*We all know the answer, by the way, because you say things like this:
Reality has a well-known Russian propaganda bias.
It seems that lately Western media has started “parroting Russian talking points.” Is it because all this Russian propaganda is so incredibly effective, or is it because truths are becoming harder and harder to suppress? This week:
- The Economist: Ukraine is now struggling to survive, not to win
- Responsible Statecraft: Why sanctions on Russia are literally backfiring: Moscow appeared ripe for Western-imposed economic pain after its invasion of Ukraine but today the country is thriving
- NYT: With Limited Options, Zelensky Seeks a Path Forward for Ukraine
- NYT: Russia’s Swift March Forward in Ukraine’s East
- NYT: As Russia Advances, U.S. Fears Ukraine Has Entered a Grim Phase
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Western media parroted Russian talking points before 2022 as well, but somehow in February of that year they stopped 🤔- Reuters: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
You know why I keep engaging with you? It’s because it’s like visiting a museum exhibit about Soviet propaganda. Amusing in weird sort of way. Your use of Russian propaganda is so exemplary it’s honestly rather impressive. I mean, Russian propaganda is shit rhetoric, any 16-year old with an average media literacy from my country could break down these childish lists of yours. You just rely on “if they start engaging, I can sealion endlessly”, and think people don’t understand what you’re doing.
Just like how you keep avoiding the question of if you’re pro-Russian or not. Which is again hilarious in itself, since you do keep insisting you’re a red-blooded American, but won’t go so far as to lie about not being pro-Russian, which is painfully obvious to everyone.
Are you pro-Russian? Do you wish to give Putler oral pleasure?
All I did was post links to Western media sources, so I don’t see how that could be “a museum exhibit about Soviet propaganda.”
Edit to add: If you don’t want people to see links to Western media, maybe don’t @ me next time 🤷
I’ll never stop being cynically amused by the fact that the self-styled American patriots are letting the Russian government tell them how to vote.
You’re talking about these people.
Are these the tankies everyone’s always talking about?
The tankies are the “left-wing” equivalent of these people. All in all they are eerily similar. They both support different forms of facism.
I guess the anything in ‘anything to own the libs’ includes selling out your country and constitution to the highest bidder.
Some people never learn the cool kid in school seldom acts on your behalf, usually theirs.
Because they love the Russian government. It looks just like their ideal government, just Protestant and English-speaking instead of Orthodox and Russian-speaking.
sigh this is going to be a shitty couple weeks isn’t it?
This could be minimum of 4 years of hell.
Couple weeks? That’s cute. This shit is going until inauguration day at least.
At least until he crooks, then they’ll try to make him a martyr. Expect a manufactured Regan style legacy.
I looked over at Pikachu for a reaction, but he’s just so tired.
I’m with Pikachu
