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    Quote me if I’m wrong but isn’t this fucking illegal to have a private citizen act on behalf of the United States government?

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    This would normally totally annihilate a presidential run. Fucks sake, they were ended by a guy saying “please clap” or having a weird laugh.

    But then again, only cultists vote for this man.

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      It’s not just the Maga hats. There is a substantial amount of the population that thinks claims like this are just muckracking by “the other side”, and that he is really the better candidate in terms of economy, border security, and traditional values.

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      Nixon did the same during the Vietnam war. He just wasn’t public about it. Same with Reagan during the hostage crisis.

      There are no rules if there is an “R” next to your name.

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      This would normally totally annihilate a presidential run.

      What annihilates a Presidential Run is heavily predicated on the propaganda machine surrounding the candidate.

      In this case, you’ve got an American media that is fully in bed with the MIC and a big client state of the MIC generating enormous returns through procurement.

      Why would a conglomerate that profits off sale of arms to Israel want a ceasefire? Why would media owned by these conglomerates bad mouth a candidate that promises to increase military aid and Pentagon spending?

      For the same reason you see glowing coverage of Saudi Arabia, Dubai, the Philippines, and India, you’re going to keep seeing us love bomb our favorite genocidal dictatorship in the Middle East.

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    The guy is literally too stupid to stop hitting himself in the nuts. And then he blames the “deep state” for making him hit himself in the nuts.

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      While you may think he’s hitting himself in the nuts, polling says otherwise. I know, it’s infuriating.

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      Don’t you guys remember four/six years ago? This was a…depressingly effective tactic to evading responsibility. Because he just…openly admits to shit that other politicians know is poison. But nothing sticks because there are a million other things he does the same thing with. And it’s news for a day or two and then…nothing happens.

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      The guy is getting the entire Israeli misinformation and counter intelligence machine working for him non-stop. That’s a pretty big deal.

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      It doesn’t fucking matter how hard he hits himself in the nuts: he’s still going to get 48% of the vote. If you care about shit like this, you’re already not voting for him.

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    Am I the only one who thinks that IF the US survives this election that things have to change radically?

    You can’t have a democracy like this when a convicted criminal mobster wannabe can just get enough votes to install himself as a dictator and if he doesn’t that he just organizes a deadly insurrection to try and get himself there anyway

    The USA needs to get rid of this winner takes all system, it needs to rid itself of this system that requires a president. What it needs is 20-30 political parties that each get a share of the pie and have to work together.

    This situation has gotten worse EVERY election since Reagan, last time we had a failed coup, this time we may get a dictatorship, what. The. Fuck.

    I’ll continue. The supreme court needs to be removed entirely and be replaced with whatever is better. The police forces need to be completely overhauled. Pacs and super PACs need to be illegal immediately, every cent in politics needs to be accounted for. An absolute split between church and state, and while at it, tax churches heavily. Undo all gerrymandering, return taxation to how it was in 1940, updates for current times tomokug loop holes but going up to 100% on income after an x amount per year. Nobody should be able to be a billionaire, hell, nobody should be able to be a 100 millionaire. After a certain amount of wealth, that’s it, you can make more but it all goes to taxes.

    Edit: to add to this: news organizations should be government funded through a neutral third party. Nobody wants to pay for Jews anymore but we desperately need it. So let’s make sure it’s funded and out laws (back) in place requiring journalists to be neutral and honest. Fox News style “news” bullshit should never be allowed. Opinions is fine, as long as that’s what it is clearly called and labeled as. If a news organization obviously focusses on one type of politics, out you go. Also, break the 24 hour news cycle. We don’t need news 24 hours a day, as it inevitably leads to a numbers game which leads to news organizations to just publish clicks for money, which leads to news about how there is crime like there is no tomorrow while reality it’s the other way around. News should be informing people, stop the misinformation.

    Another add: schools should be required to teach about voting, how to vote and why it’s important. Just, obviously, not what to vote. Right now so many people vote for person X because “he seems such a sweet man, I’d love to have him over for dinner!” With that, don’t allow political parties to use slogans, as it dumbs everything down to stoopid.

    Just a few things to start with…

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      My concern since late 2018 or so has been that America is effectively terminal, it’s just that we don’t know it yet. That we’ve passed some internal tipping point before waking up where even if we try to course correct, it’s too late to stop the decline. I’m not sure we can get the momentum anymore to fix it. Biden and even Kamala feel more like a temporary reprieve where we’ll only have enough power to stave off total collapse, but not enough to actually make any headway. Which is basically all Biden has been able to do.

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        That’s a legit worry, but since we don’t know where that tipping point is we don’t know if we’ve passed it or not. I think it’s just as legitimate to maintain hope, and here’s why. The repeating pattern we’ve seen is that when progressives start to institute policies to improve people’s lives, there’s always a lag before any tangible results. During the wait the pendulum shifts back to regressivism, Republicans get in control, and then proceed to take credit as things improve. They use this momentum for more elitist policies that reverse the gains, but the harm to the general public also has a lag and doesn’t become apparent until the pendulum has shifted back to progressives, who inherit a pile of shit to contend with.

        But MAGA has fragmented the Republican party so hard, after he loses the election it will take the party years to recover, as the rats claw each other to pieces trying to get on top. Instead of the usual 4-8 years it could take 12-16 for conservatives to regroup. This will provide enough time for progressive policies to take root and bear fruit, and for progressives to actually get credit and build on them. It will be impossible for Republicans to convince even their own that things are bad enough to go back to retro policies. They’ll have to think of a new playbook.

        I just think this whole period of time is going to move the goalposts to the left, America will still have a chance to resemble something like the ideal we were taught to expect.

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      Yeah we have to outgrow the POV that says putting limits on wealth equals communism, or means no freedom. Democracy loses its meaning if kings can live inside it - which is what we get if wealth gives individuals more power than the rest of society. We’re on course back to the age of aristocrat landowners and tenant farmers. That’s not human progress, that’s degeneration. To me the slogan, “We won’t go back!” means a lot more than avoiding another Trump administration. It means recharting the course of our society away from a nobles vs peasants world and toward a world of true equality. It will take changes that are much more fundamental than imposing taxes on wealth. We have to de-legitimize extreme wealth and disable the huge leverage it gives a few people over the rest of us.

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        I fully agree with you but I’d do it through taxes. It’s not forbidden to be ultra wealthy, it’s just impossible to become that. Just after a certain about of either current wealth or income, income taxes go to 100% and at certain wealth levels, be it through owning buildings, yachts, or whatever, taxes will make sure you’ll have to sell off some of those assets until you’re within normal range. Nothing wrong with that in my book

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          Okay but you could also lock people in a room full of water and say you’re not forbidding breathing. Technically the truth, but not if we’re being honest. Using the law to make something impossible is forbidding it. Taxation doesn’t address the belief that the big bad gubmint is stealing something you earned. I think the underlying problem is way more complex to solve by just doing that. We have to get rid of the scarcity mentality, a survival trait that will take a long-term effort to eliminate. We’re probably talking multiple lifetimes.

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            Taxation isn’t theft, you get loads of things back. Roads, police, (in functional countries) healthcare, fire departments, military to protect against invaders… If you’re rich it’s easier to pay more, and you should

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              Yes, I’m not arguing that taxation is bad. Looks like we’re having two different conversations so I’m gonna just bow out.

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    So true liberal bestie, democrats are better because they silently sends billions to israel to carry out genocide while trump can’t keep his stupid mouth shut.

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          Like, there’s lemmygrad. Why do they bother going to instances they know don’t tolerate their views?

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              oh my god here we go

              “some people think kamala is better than trump, and they want us to vote for kamala because trump is worse and stands a genuine chance at winning. liberals are forcing their opinion on us therefore it’s our duty to continue to scream BOTH SIDES BAD at them and circumvent their attempts to block us”? is that what you’re saying?

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            Why did liberal “high IQ” redditors jump from reddit to lemmy? It seems they brought along all their users from Eglin Air Force Base.

            I’m not from .ml, as you can see my account is over a year old, so it certainly wasn’t to evade some clowns blocking specific instances to create their own hivemind. Which of my views is it that you don’t tolerate? The one where I’m against anyone supporting genocide? I’m curious to know what you find intolerable about that.

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              1. There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
              2. A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
              3. Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
              4. Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.
              5. Regardless of whether you do anything else to fight fascism or not, if you don’t vote, or you vote third party, you raise the chances that a Hitler admirer will enter the white house.

              I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?

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      Man, must suck having to work for Putin as a troll. Some people would feel shameful

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    Is Biden too stupid to realize that helping Bibi helps trump? Or does he just not care because supporting genocide is more important to him than the election?

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      I think the most reasonable assumption would be that the Democrats reckon that coming out against Israel will lose them more zionist votes then sticking with Israel will lose them anti-genocide votes. And given the amount of money AIPAC has been throwing around against anti-zionist candidates in primaries, that might not be an incorrect reckoning.

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              I can see money having greater influence at lower levels of government. I’m thinking more about advertising and the presidential race.

              ads probably matter least in the races where campaigns spend the most on them

              This was my feeling. I bet the returns on traditional advertising are diminishing. Also Trump seems to generate a huge amount of publicity (good and bad) without spending much money.

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            Money mostly wins, but not always. Democrats desperately want it to be true always, but they’ve spent a ton of money on losing elections. Trump’s victory was the big one. It’s hard to have a popular campaign message and solid ground game campaigning and make tons of appearances, spending absurd amounts of money makes it easier.

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        They only need to do that math in the swing states as well… But I wish someone would just show the math. Like, let’s see the projections for Zionist gains vs anti genocide losses in Pennsylvania… Even just one study and I’d be like, okay, there’s a legit reason for the gaslighting and bullshit. Gotta win to do anything.

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        Which means they’ve made the calculation that they don’t need or want the anti-genocide vote.

        So don’t blame this anti-genocide voter for not voting for a candidate that doesn’t want me.

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          And in doing so, you are hanging out to dry LGBTQ+, women, racial minorities, anyone working for minimum wage, anyone with health insurance, thousands of federal employees, the people of Ukraine, and when it really comes down to it, the people of Gaza.

          There is no anti-genocide option on the table. Not in any meaningful way. It’s not a real choice at all, to be honest, but the direction is clear.

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            Imagine if all those people stood together against genocide instead of dividing over it. Women alone are like half the population… Why are they siding with genocide? They could elect anyone they want. Anyone with health insurance? That’s almost everyone. Bam, anyone they want. If a gay person votes for genocide how much should I really give a shit about them? There’s no “meaningful choice” because the libs get out early saying so… But if it’s not this election then certainly by the next one, millennials and zoomers are gonna be done with the old boomer parties… And good riddance

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              I can imagine. Let’s say all these groups unanimously decided not to vote for democrats. Then they ask who they do vote for.

              Feminists vote for the best feminist candidate they can find. BLM votes for the best civil rights candidate they can find. LGBTQ people vote for the queerist person they can find. None of them support genocide, but none of them are voting for the same person.

              Now Trump wins with the vote split 40/20/20/20. Great job, we overwhelmingly voted against genocide and it only got worse.

              There is no anti-genocide option on the table. It is not a real choice.

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            There is no anti-genocide option on the table.

            If you find yourself writing this, then stop what you’re doing and re-evaluate your entire ideology.

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                There is an anti-genocide option on the table, but neither democrats nor republicans are willing to use it. You should stop defending people who support genocide by pretending genocide is the only option.

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                  It’s not anything I can vote for, and not voting doesn’t get us there, either. There is no real choice.

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              That’s correct. The solution isn’t to let Republicans win. It’s to protest until we get what we want. That got gay marriage instituted. It got the Civil Rights Acts signed. It’s getting states to sign the Electoral College Popular Vote Compact. It’s getting marijuana legalization passed. It’s even getting ranked choice voting signed.

              Letting Republicans win is just accelerationism, and it doesn’t work.

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                No guys, you don’t understand. Mr scruffy has it all figured out and we’re all dummies who want genocide.

                Thankfully Mr scruffy is working hard to get trump elected so all the lovely Muslims, whom Trump frequently compliments, are going to get sweet kisses every night and he’ll make sure those mean old Israelis don’t bother them.

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          They’ve probably also figured out how many people saying that will actually fold with a little arm twisting. Would be super interesting to see those numbers.

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      So your reaction to learning that Trump is actively sabotaging peace talks with Israel is… Blame the Democrats?

      Seriously smooth brain conservative take, holy shit.

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        I’m not supporting Trump, I’m wondering why Israel is so central to democratic policy when they have literally done everything in their power to elect Trump?

        I can’t imagine anything besides corruption or kompromat at this point. Literally nothing else makes sense.

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          I’m not supporting Trump

          That comment you made above is supporting Trump. You saying you’re not supporting him makes no difference.

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          It is old geopolitics.

          Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, etc. benefit greatly from doing things the way the US likes. They make massive amounts of money, get a massive military to keep enemies at bay, they get to keep deciding how much crude oil costs, and they get massive amounts of weapons. In return they all spy for the US, allow the US to put massive military facilities in their countries, and protect the petrodollar.

          It is that simple. The Palestinians have very little wealth, military, and political clout. So they get run over by the machine. Is it horrific? Yes. Is it easy to understand? Also, yes.

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      worse than the same? this must be a mental lapse or just bad faith. I mean I would totally understand “not enough” but “worse than same”? Are you living in a parallel universe? The moment Trump is elected you will start seeing people rallying for more support to Israel and probably sending American troops over there.

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      Why? This is their post and they wanna use middle English. It’s not that big a problem for anyone else.

      Are you just worried that it’ll become a more common trend? I don’t think that’ll happen. It’s just gonna be like scrolling by a ich iel post every now and again.

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            while i appreciate your random internet stranger opinion, I fail to see how dragonfucker hurts or inconveniences any of us 🤷‍♀️

            like yeah i get you dont like it but isnt your comment just a teeny bit more cringe as fuck?

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              They’ve been inconveniencing me by following me around and harassing be because they didn’t understand my simple point that ‘they’ applies to all humans.

              They harassed me over calling Caillou ‘he.’ As in the cartoon toddler. Seriously.

              They also object to people using the word ‘you’ to address them, which is fucking stupid.

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              If someone is so socially inept and surrounded by equally socially inept people who don’t call out this behavior, then it’s possible they don’t have anyone who is part of society at large that would inform them of how their actions will be perceived by most members of the public.

              I’m not commenting because it hurts me in any way. I’m commenting because this person is going to have a relatively difficult life socially if they continue with the behavior they currently exhibit.

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              The gut-reaction to call someone cringe is a natural expression of the human desire to conform to social norms. They are insecure about their own differences so they enforce conformity in others by trying to humiliate them, the way they have been. In a strange way they could see it as helping them to avoid further humiliation. They’re saying “cut it out” with an implied “or else people will not accept you.” It’s pure instinct.

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              What do you call it then? Because that’s what’s happening here

              Unless “drag” refers to someone/thing else entirely, which context heavily implies otherwise

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                  It’s a person independent neopronoun

                  Cute, but no it’s not

                  Its a nickname, your username shortened. That’s a proper noun whether you pretend to use it otherwise elsewhere or not, as context is important in communication

                  I do like the trolling effort though so keep on keeping on

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          I think the assumption that people who engage in unconventional means of expression are attention-seeking speaks to a common insecurity people have about receiving negative attention themselves. They’re reflecting the social pressure to conform that they already surrendered to.

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            You can strap a watermelon to your neck and call it whatever you want, but don’t expect others to mistake that for a personality.

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      No. Language is dynamic by design. If þey/þem wish to be diacritical fluid, who are we to deny freedom of speech?

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        You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letters that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.

        Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some Middle English letters, and not any other rules of Middle English grammar or spelling.

        They can use whatever language they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.

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          You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letters pronouns that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.

          Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some Middle English letters english pronouns, and not any other rules of Middle English grammar or spelling different types of english pronouns.

          They can use whatever language pronouns they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.

          Doesn’t sound so reasonable now, does it? If language that mildly inconveniences others is an acceptable way to express your gender identity, then why not also to express yourself creatively?

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            One, pronous are not letters, and letters are not pronouns. I’m not offending anyone’s gender by suggesting that using “þ” instead of “th” when trying to communicate in English on the internet in 2024 is counterproductive.

            Two, gendered pronouns are some of the very oldest words in English, and they are used very regularly. They are engrained in native English speakers from birth. Each of us has a very long history of thinking in terms of these gendered pronouns, and I will grant that those who are younger have an easier time of making gender shifts with pronouns than those who are older.

            There’s a reason people aren’t using xe/xey, for example. Somebody just made it up and said “use it.” Language doesn’t work by fiat (unless we’re talking about a colonizer eliminating indigenous languages by literal force). In terms of gender neutral pronouns, we already have the singular “they,” which has been in use to some degree since at least Early Modern English.

            I can wholly respect and support someone’s gender and refuse to use nonsense words at the same time. Think about where gendered pronouns are used: when one person talks to a second person about a third person. If that third person is genderfluid in some way, I’m going to use “they” when referring to them (see what I did there?), because the second person is most likely to understand what I’m saying.

            And before you get all fucking uppity again, I’ve had many lengthy conversations about this and so many other gender issues with my son, who is, among so many other things, trans.

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              I don’t even necessarily disagree that it’s counterproductive, I just don’t think it’s fair to attack someone for using esoteric or unconventional language. Yes, it inconveniences the listener - or in this case the reader - but in this context no one is being forced to engage with OP. By using some Old English letters OP is just having some innocent fun at no one’s expense, which doesn’t warrant the harsh response they’re receiving.

              If you were talking to someone and they casually used xe/xey pronouns (or any neopronouns for that matter) to refer to a friend who isn’t there, would you go out of your way to lecture them about what an inconvenience it is to you to have to learn something new?

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          You aren’t owed prescriptive compliance just because you’re used to a worse system.

          Let alone if you feel like going out of ð way to justify shitting on oðer people’s innocent fun.

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    He can say what he wants. He can endorse Adolf Hitler and nobody will bat an eye. Meanwhile Kamala has to watch every letter that crosses her lips.

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      Has he not literally been doing that? I’ve been seeing articles about how much he looks up to Hitler. And he quotes him. He’s not being subtle, at least.

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        In his first campaign it was said that the only book he kept and actually read was the English translation of Hitlers speeches. He has never really shied away from his adoration of the mustache man.

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        Videos talking about building a unified Reich, talk of immigrants polluting the blood of the nation, a lot of talk from his orbit about cultural Marxism, all the shared enemies (other than Israel, who are now the genocidal fascist ethnostate he aspires to), Nazis consistently turning out to support him… It’s straightforwardly Nazi bullshit. At least Hitler did prison time for the beer hall putsch - Jan 6? Fine, apparently.

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        Because Republicans have chosen Trump as the leader of their in-group, and everything they say and do is just sound bytes for getting him in power and abusing the out group, no matter how inconsistent, hypocritical, or false it is. They don’t actually think what they mock the left for is bad, but if they can use it to justify being against them, they’ll use it.

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          It’s actually worse than that IMO, they’ve imprinted on him as a surrogate for themselves. To attack, challenge or abandon him now would be to do that to themselves.

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            He definitely represents their animus. A projection of their perverse fantasy of disrupting the “corrupt government” sold to them by decades of hate radio.

            If you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh you already know how these people think. They have been spoon fed lies their entire life.

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        Feeling even an ounce more assured in getting away wið saying ð N-Word wiðout facing social consequences is a potent enough high for ðese slimeballs ðat ðey will literally hand him ðeir newborn child to rape on national television so long as he keeps ð supply coming.

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        It’s all propaganda. Biden gave the terrorist state of Isreal $18 Billion in American tax dollars this year alone. That’s $13 Billion more in a year than the average of $5billion per year for the last 75 years.

        I don’t know wtf Dildo Tramp’s angle is here, but both parties are Zionist boot lickers who’ve continuously funded genocide. I don’t know why he would try and make his opponents look less evil than he is, and also piss off his skinhead supporters.

        Edit: to be clear, you should still vote Harris because it’s the lesser evil option in this fucked up circus. But denying reality makes you just as bad as air-headed trumpets. Both sides are owned by the same corporate interests and mega-rich, and we need to abolish this 2 party system, not make-up fantasies that one side is actually good.

        Nobody is debating the fact that Trump is 1000x worse and also has and will continue funding Isreal if elected.

        That’s how you know the downvotes aren’t from the progressive side. We don’t downvote facts or minimize genocide.

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            I presented facts, that’s all.

            I challenge you to find any inaccurate information in my comments.

            I said multiple times I’m voting Harris, but that’s not good enough for fascists and zionists, you need to re-write history to fit your narrative.

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                  Waiting for you to find any inaccurate information in my original comment and elaborating why you think my fact based comment is propaganda, and not the corporate media story I’m commenting on.

                  Immediately trying to change the subject and cherry pick other parts to argue about.

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          I keep forgetting that there was never a female president before. I’m German and 16 years of chancellor Merkel are pretty fresh in my mind still. I was 11 when she got into office, kinda crazy to think about.

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            Tbf, ð role to role equivalent of ð chancellorship in ð US would be speaker of ð house, and we had Nancy Pelosi for almost just as long before she retired as well.

            Only reason we don’t þink ðat way about her is because ð independent executive has inflicted upon us a grievous insistence on still existing.

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            True, it was the same for Biden. I also don’t think this only applies to Trump and America. I live in Europe and saw it happen in my own city. The right-wing sitting mayor was framing his opponent for being a communist supporting the Taliban, which was an absolute lie. Buddy only advocated for affordable housing and public transport. Though there was something to be said about his lack of plans to achieve that, it’s probably better than just letting the free market do its thing. Anyways the media framed the sitting major as the sensible one, regardless of the lies he told, and he won the elections by a mile.

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                Calling dissenters fascists and Zionists violates rule 1. Please keep it civil.

                People can disagree with your view, or your delivery of your view. That doesn’t make them s Zionist or fascist. They just means you’re failing to communicate. In communication, the onus lies squarely on the sender.

                This is a friendly warning.

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          Fuck both those zionist bootlickers.

          That said, I’m voting Harris this time, since the alternative isn’t an option, but, we still have to destroy this 2 party, oligarch ruled system and start from scratch. Enough is enough. Time to eat the rich.

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            These are good opinions, but can you say them two weeks from now? Drag doesn’t think they’re productive right now. They’ll be great in two weeks.

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    Downvoted for the title. Not sure what kind of mouth breather trend that is, but it’s not lasting

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      I remember a person on Reddit using this.

      þ- th sounding /θ/ (think)
      ð- th sounding /ð/ (the)

      As to why… I hope OP tells us.

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        They’re still missing the “e” from “ðe”. That’s what bothers me.

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          I think It was common in middle English to omit the ‘e’, leaving it to context for the reader to infer the meaning. I see this in alot of shorthand and other alphabets like Shavian.

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            leaving it to context for the reader to infer the meaning

            So the same way we differentiate between the two sounds “th” can make?

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              Kinda, yeah. The difference is that it’s not a per-word basis where you have to memorize dozens of cases. Much less cumbersome on learners. There’s nothing wrong with just writing ‘ðe’ either, if the writer prefers.

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                None of us will be “known” for anything on this website. It will all fade. Let them try to be quirky to rage against oblivion, it hardly impacts your life.

                In fact, I’m thankful for the stupid trend because I had no idea how to read some of those names in Fire Emblem: Heroes.

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                  It’s more that it makes your posts hard to read for no reason other than a painfully transparent and desperate cry to be “unique” and “quirky.” That said, you do you, man.

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                  Lovely, that you paint me as “offended by these letters.”

                  You don’t know me.

                  Go back to your fucking ð.

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          I support.

          Æsþetically it looks dense & unique like ð rare, sunderly dental fricative sounds English makes. “ð” isn’t historic since Old English really didn’t boðer ƿiþ separating voiced vs. unvoiced dental, but ðat’s okay since our broðers up norþ in Iceland use ðese 2 characters in ð manner you prescribe. I like ð mirroring a as ð single-character definite vs. indefinite article too. As someone around ESL (English as a second language) speakers, it can help ðem not only knoƿ hƿich sound to make hƿile preventing silly slip-ups like former US president Donald Trump saying Þighland instead of Thailand—but it ƿould be obvious if our ƿritten form ƿasn’t forced to drop þorn for overloading “y” or “th” for ð printing press’ limitations not built for our tongue.

          Before computers or printing presses, ƿe didn’t have spellcheck—so folks spelled ƿords as ðey sound. Having less digraphs favoring more single characters is considered more ergonomic; Dvorak, ð keyboard layout, has “ht” on the home roƿ of ð dominant hand to shoƿ just hoƿ dominant ðis digraph truly is for typing English.

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            This was a little easier than reading finnegans Wake but not much. Definitely more humorous though. Thank you.

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            Why do you persist in writing “ð” rather than “ðe” for “the”? And… Do you really say æsþetic and not æstetic? Where are you from to do that?

            FWIW, do not support, even as a brother up north. English spelling is broken but there are more glaring problems to fix first.

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              Why should the indefinite article, “a”, a single character but the definite article, “the”, takes 3 chars? You know those that created our more modern English decided to respell could with -ould just for symmetry with would & should (Old English was cūþe, with our boy thorn for a dental fricative ending)—so it isn’t like words never changed to look nicer. Middle English often wrote the “the” as þͤ. /ðə/ is the normal transcription. “ð” without specially markers seems fine: single char for a very common word while indicating that it is a voiced sound (meaning not the unvoiced þ).

              Aesthetic comes from Greek αἰσθητικός. θ is an unvoiced dental fricative (also the symbol in IPA) just like our boy þ (descended from the Futhark ᚦ). All transcriptions of English dialects I found show it with the “th” in pronunciation… so if you aren’t using a unvoiced dental fricative, you would be the weird one. 🙃

              I would agree that fixing the vowels should be a higher priority. But English does not fit a five-vowel system like most Latin languages whose letters were shoehorned onto English. The only way to fix it (ignoring the dialectal splits) would be to either invent an entirely new writing system or going back to the system prior to Latin script adoption since the old system more properly encoded English sounds with few diagraphs & many more vowels to work with. In the latter case you would go for the Anglo-Saxon runes brought to the British Isles by the Angles, Saxons, & Jutes. With modernization, I would support this too tho 😅

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                Right, so you’re just arbitrarily changing words. That’s very nice.

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                  In recent years tho & thru have been increasingly more common than though & through. Common words tend to do this—the is a top-10 usage word in English. Makes sense.

                  Look on how you go from Latin ET/et to &. Turns a common word into a single symbol. Or similar a (and an) coming from Old English ān with cognates in Old Frisian, German, Norse, Saxon, and Gothic with forms like “ein” further being reduced.

                  If there is a historical precendence for this happening, there is no reason to assume the language’s writing would not, could not, or should not evolve similarly.

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              They are weirder ones for sure since they look like Ps without extra training. But just slapping two Vs or Us together like the Romans is a hack compared to the historic ƿ (from Runic ᚹ).

              But even stranger is why on Earth were “hw” flipped by printing press folks after hundreds of years with the h first due to pronunciation… I wouldn’t be surprised if the voiceless labial–velar fricative went out of fashion based the new spelling to where many (maybe most) speakers don’t differentiate between “w” & “wh”.

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          You don’t get it, I find it annoying so you should cater to me. STOP HAVING FUN BECAUSE I FEEL EXCLUDED!!!1!1!1

          /s

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      Is a fucked up sense of outrage supposed to make you look internet cool? Hey check me out, I’m acting more concerned about something stupid the OP did than I am about the alarming content they just shared, isn’t my personality so edgy?

      And announcing your downvote, you’re like the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde over there.

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      It’s not a trend. The way you and drag are speaking is the trend. Phlubbadubba is speaking Old English. You’re right, though, it didn’t last.

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        The conversation I had with drag before about drag’s reasons for speaking this way shifted my perspective enough that Phlubbadubba’s use of Old English doesn’t bother me the way it probably would have before. I understood drag, but seeing how negatively people are responding to a tiny bit of Old English makes me appreciate drag. Keep it up.